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1. 07:05 AM - 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social (Moses Adrian USDM)
2. 07:05 AM - Logbook Entries (Phillip Perry)
3. 07:34 AM - Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social (Bob Condrey)
4. 08:02 AM - Re: Logbook Entries (Tim Olson)
5. 08:41 AM - Re: SureFly Electronic Ignition (Dan Masys)
6. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: SureFly Electronic Ignition (John Miller)
7. 01:17 PM - Re: Logbook Entries (Kelly McMullen)
8. 04:52 PM - Chelton white screen (Kevin Belue)
9. 06:57 PM - Re: Chelton white screen (John Miller)
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| Subject: | 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social |
Planted some early sweet corn. See if it doesn't get frosted off!
Adrian Moses
RV10=closing in on 575 hrs
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Does anyone know of a site that has sample language for logbook entries?
For example, I need to add my MT-Prop gov SB entry. I need to show that I
checked AD's for my engine. I need to show that I've started the
conditional inspection...
I don't have much info on how those entries should be formatted and I'm
hoping there is a site or FAA doc in existence that outlines the format for
those entries.
I'm a logbook rookie.
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social |
Excellent!
Bob
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Moses Adrian USDM <
adrian.moses@syngenta.com> wrote:
> adrian.moses@syngenta.com>
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> Planted some early sweet corn. See if it doesn't get frosted off!
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> Adrian Moses
> RV10=closing in on 575 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: Logbook Entries |
I think for many of them you can just use your best common sense
and try to provide enough detail that someone in the future
could look and understand what was done and why.
The language for the annual condition inspection is in your
operating limitations and is pretty standard, so that one
is easy, but I don't think there is any need to show
that you've STARTED the inspection, just do an entry when you
are done with it. The start date of an inspection isn't
the relevant date...it's the completed date that matters.
That log entry usually looks like: "I certify that this
aircraft has been inspected on X/X/2017 in accordance with the
scope and detail of FAR part 43, Appendix D, and was found to
be in the condition for safe operation."
I personally when doing the ACI, don't log every individual
task, such as "repacked wheel bearings", but only list any
that are significant for some reason. I also log all of
the cylinder compressions for historical reasons.
Here's an example of what I did for a recent fuel pump
log entry. Someone like Kelly may be able to confirm
if it's adequate.
"Replaced fuel pump model 62B26931 s/n RC4214036826 with
s/n RC12161697 per Lycoming SB-621B."
Generally, if you are supposed to follow a procedure, you
may want to reference it as "per XYZ" or something that
shows where you got the guidance. Other than that it's
pretty much up to you. I try to include part and serial
numbers for anything I can, and if there was a reason why
something needed to be done due to wear or damage, I note
that.
Here's another entry for a while ago:
"Replaced Slick Harness M-2961 (Left) with new Aero-Lite Skytronics
A18-11AS-II harness (Kelly KA16014) due to loose spring on #5 wire at
cap end and blackening of rotor cap on old mag. Replaced AN900-10
gasket on Oil temp housing plug."
And another one:
"Performed SB 14-8-29 per SB instructions, installing doubler above nose
gear elastomers on engine mount."
An A&P like Kelly McMullen would probably have good info on
a reference to use for examples, and maybe he can comment
on if what I've done above is even adequate. I personally
don't feel they're too inadequate, but wouldn't mind a
second opinion.
The important thing is to show what parts went in and out,
any relevant info on those parts, and what procedures were
done and why, as far as I'm concerned. Then you're doing
a good job trying to provide a traceable history of the
aircraft and engine.
Tim
On 4/26/2017 9:04 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> Does anyone know of a site that has sample language for logbook entries?
> For example, I need to add my MT-Prop gov SB entry. I need to show
> that I checked AD's for my engine. I need to show that I've started the
> conditional inspection...
>
> I don't have much info on how those entries should be formatted and I'm
> hoping there is a site or FAA doc in existence that outlines the format
> for those entries.
>
> I'm a logbook rookie.
>
> Phil
>
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| Subject: | RE: SureFly Electronic Ignition |
I'll chime in to say I replaced my right mag with the Surefly unit a couple
of weeks ago and am very pleased with the results to date.
I left the Slick mag with the retard connection plus SlickStart installed,
since it had just been IRAN'd, and removed the grounding jumper on the
ignition switch so both sets of plugs would be firing at TDC on startup. So
basically it is like having two electronically boosted sparks during the
time the starter is cranking. RV-10 now does cold and hot starts in the
first turn of the prop; verrry nice. Wish I could have had that for the
past ten years!
No appreciable rise in CHTs that I can detect, and don't know what it will
do to ROP and LOP cruise up high yet, since the Pacific northwest weather
has been nonstop scuzzy for the past couple of weeks. I can say that
cruising down low, am seeing same indicated airspeed at 18-19 inches MP that
I used to see with 21. So maybe a little more spunk also. Will post again
when I get some cross country engine monitor recordings and can compare with
previous configuration.
-Dan Masys
N104LD 965 hrs.
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From: "SureFly" <jason@surefly.aero>
SureFly is now delivering 6 cylinder experimental ignition units.
surely.aero or 817-373-5161
Thanks!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468775#468775
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| Subject: | Re: RE: SureFly Electronic Ignition |
Thanks, Dan. Many of us will be waiting for your next reports!
grumpy
11 years on Slicks
do not archive
> On Apr 26, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Dan Masys <dmasys@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
>
> I'll chime in to say I replaced my right mag with the Surefly unit a couple
> of weeks ago and am very pleased with the results to date.
>
> I left the Slick mag with the retard connection plus SlickStart installed,
> since it had just been IRAN'd, and removed the grounding jumper on the
> ignition switch so both sets of plugs would be firing at TDC on startup. So
> basically it is like having two electronically boosted sparks during the
> time the starter is cranking. RV-10 now does cold and hot starts in the
> first turn of the prop; verrry nice. Wish I could have had that for the
> past ten years!
>
> No appreciable rise in CHTs that I can detect, and don't know what it will
> do to ROP and LOP cruise up high yet, since the Pacific northwest weather
> has been nonstop scuzzy for the past couple of weeks. I can say that
> cruising down low, am seeing same indicated airspeed at 18-19 inches MP that
> I used to see with 21. So maybe a little more spunk also. Will post again
> when I get some cross country engine monitor recordings and can compare with
> previous configuration.
>
> -Dan Masys
> N104LD 965 hrs.
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:04 AM
> To: RV10-List Digest List <rv10-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 04/25/17
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>
> Time: 09:40:46 AM PST US
> Subject: RV10-List: SureFly Electronic Ignition
> From: "SureFly" <jason@surefly.aero>
>
>
> SureFly is now delivering 6 cylinder experimental ignition units.
> surely.aero or 817-373-5161
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468775#468775
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Logbook Entries |
What is needed is listed in Part 43.9:
1. description of work performed. 2 Date of completion of work
3. Name of person performing the work (if other than the person
approving the work)
4. Signature and certificate number of person approving the work.
#3 isn't needed for OBAM. #4. no certificate number is needed for OBAM
aircraft, although you could put your repairman number.
You can put total time, if you choose to track it for maintenance purposes.
Additional guidance in AC43.9C Maintenance Records
Note that inspection records are a little different in contents and
approval.
Tim's suggestions are right on track. Including part numbers is
excellent. Serial numbers are not so important unless it is major item
that you want to track replacement..engine, prop, perhaps major
accessories like governor, mags, alternator, starter. It helps if say an
AD were to be issued on certain Skytec starters, so you don't have to go
find the physical serial number later.
On 4/26/2017 8:02 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I think for many of them you can just use your best common sense
> and try to provide enough detail that someone in the future
> could look and understand what was done and why.
>
> The language for the annual condition inspection is in your
> operating limitations and is pretty standard, so that one
> is easy, but I don't think there is any need to show
> that you've STARTED the inspection, just do an entry when you
> are done with it. The start date of an inspection isn't
> the relevant date...it's the completed date that matters.
>
> That log entry usually looks like: "I certify that this
> aircraft has been inspected on X/X/2017 in accordance with the
> scope and detail of FAR part 43, Appendix D, and was found to
> be in the condition for safe operation."
>
> I personally when doing the ACI, don't log every individual
> task, such as "repacked wheel bearings", but only list any
> that are significant for some reason. I also log all of
> the cylinder compressions for historical reasons.
>
> Here's an example of what I did for a recent fuel pump
> log entry. Someone like Kelly may be able to confirm
> if it's adequate.
> "Replaced fuel pump model 62B26931 s/n RC4214036826 with
> s/n RC12161697 per Lycoming SB-621B."
>
> Generally, if you are supposed to follow a procedure, you
> may want to reference it as "per XYZ" or something that
> shows where you got the guidance. Other than that it's
> pretty much up to you. I try to include part and serial
> numbers for anything I can, and if there was a reason why
> something needed to be done due to wear or damage, I note
> that.
>
> Here's another entry for a while ago:
> "Replaced Slick Harness M-2961 (Left) with new Aero-Lite Skytronics
> A18-11AS-II harness (Kelly KA16014) due to loose spring on #5 wire at
> cap end and blackening of rotor cap on old mag. Replaced AN900-10
> gasket on Oil temp housing plug."
>
> And another one:
> "Performed SB 14-8-29 per SB instructions, installing doubler above nose
> gear elastomers on engine mount."
>
> An A&P like Kelly McMullen would probably have good info on
> a reference to use for examples, and maybe he can comment
> on if what I've done above is even adequate. I personally
> don't feel they're too inadequate, but wouldn't mind a
> second opinion.
>
> The important thing is to show what parts went in and out,
> any relevant info on those parts, and what procedures were
> done and why, as far as I'm concerned. Then you're doing
> a good job trying to provide a traceable history of the
> aircraft and engine.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
> On 4/26/2017 9:04 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>> Does anyone know of a site that has sample language for logbook entries?
>> For example, I need to add my MT-Prop gov SB entry. I need to show
>> that I checked AD's for my engine. I need to show that I've started the
>> conditional inspection...
>>
>> I don't have much info on how those entries should be formatted and I'm
>> hoping there is a site or FAA doc in existence that outlines the format
>> for those entries.
>>
>> I'm a logbook rookie.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Chelton white screen |
Thought I'd let you guys know the results of my Chelton display problem. I
have one screen that comes up with only the background light on; it never
boots up. I disassembled it and reseated all the cables and board
connectors, but it won't boot. I then swapped individual boards with the
display that works and found that the processor module doesn't work. I
disassembled it and reseated the board connectors, but it still doesn't
work. I sent an email to Robert Durall from Tim's chelton board, but that
email was bad. I'd like to find another module or get this one repaired,
but don't want to spend too much on it. I've read that Chelton will work on
them but charges a flat fee ($4000 - $4500). I don't know if that's
correct, but I'd rather buy a new system from another company than spend
that much on obsolete equipment. Anybody got any ideas?
Thanks,
Kevin Belue
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton white screen |
Kevin,
Robert is still working for Cheltons and they worked over one of mine a year ago
for about 1k.
I included Roberts last known email address for me in the cc line. They were great
about fixing mine. The kicker is the unit has to be shipped back to them
from an avionics shop.
Give Robert a shout.
grumpy
> On Apr 26, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Kevin Belue <kdb.rv10@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thought I'd let you guys know the results of my Chelton display problem. I have
one screen that comes up with only the background light on; it never boots
up. I disassembled it and reseated all the cables and board connectors, but it
won't boot. I then swapped individual boards with the display that works and
found that the processor module doesn't work. I disassembled it and reseated the
board connectors, but it still doesn't work. I sent an email to Robert Durall
from Tim's chelton board, but that email was bad. I'd like to find another
module or get this one repaired, but don't want to spend too much on it. I've
read that Chelton will work on them but charges a flat fee ($4000 - $4500). I
don't know if that's correct, but I'd rather buy a new system from another company
than spend that much on obsolete equipment. Anybody got any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin Belue
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