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1. 06:35 AM - Re: cowl heat (Bill Boyd)
2. 09:23 AM - Re: cowl heat (Bill Watson)
3. 09:43 AM - Re: cowl heat (Jesse Saint)
4. 10:13 AM - Re: cowl heat (Tim Olson)
5. 10:19 AM - Re: cowl heat (Tcwtech)
6. 10:29 AM - Re: cowl heat (William Greenley)
7. 10:32 AM - Re: cowl heat (Rene)
8. 10:42 AM - Re: cowl heat (Rene)
9. 11:15 AM - Re: cowl heat (Bob-tcw)
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Jesse, should this be stick-on reflective foil or does it need some backing
layer or a stand-off air gap to be effective?
-Bill
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
wrote:
>
> I have seen this on a number of planes that do not have heat shield in
> those areas. The inside of the cowl turns brown, then black, then starts to
> delaminate on the inside, then starts to delaminate on the outside. I have
> seen all stages of this. Remove the delaminates part, lay up new glass to
> cover that area with an overlap of the surrounding areas, then add heat
> shield after it cures.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> 352-427-0285
> jesse@saintaviation.com
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On May 3, 2017, at 9:57 PM, dlm <dlm34077@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > just recently discovered (1200TT) that the lower cowl has three areas of
> delaminated
> > fiberglass. Preparing for the repair I found a thin honeycomb and
> reportedly 5 layers of glass.
> > The areas of delamination seemed to be directly below the three in one
> connection to the heat muff and the exhaust tube of #6. Has anyone else
> experienced this problem? possibly the higher temperatures of the
> Southwestern USA are to blame. I have been opening the oil door after each
> landing to keep the under cowl temperatures under control.
> >
>
>
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I experienced the burn problem. Once repaired, I used Thermo-Guard FR
<https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/thermoguard.php?clickkey=25931>
There is a reflective layer and some kind of insulating padding (air
gap). There have been no signs of further damage several hundred hours
later.
In my unqualified opinion, I beleive that a reflective only shield would
work fine. But I have no experience to bear that out.
Bill
On 5/4/2017 9:34 AM, Bill Boyd wrote:
> Jesse, should this be stick-on reflective foil or does it need some
> backing layer or a stand-off air gap to be effective?
>
> -Bill
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com
> <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>> wrote:
>
> <jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>>
>
> I have seen this on a number of planes that do not have heat
> shield in those areas. The inside of the cowl turns brown, then
> black, then starts to delaminate on the inside, then starts to
> delaminate on the outside. I have seen all stages of this. Remove
> the delaminates part, lay up new glass to cover that area with an
> overlap of the surrounding areas, then add heat shield after it cures.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> 352-427-0285 <tel:352-427-0285>
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On May 3, 2017, at 9:57 PM, dlm <dlm34077@gmail.com
> <mailto:dlm34077@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > just recently discovered (1200TT) that the lower cowl has three
> areas of delaminated
> > fiberglass. Preparing for the repair I found a thin honeycomb
> and reportedly 5 layers of glass.
> > The areas of delamination seemed to be directly below the three
> in one connection to the heat muff and the exhaust tube of #6. Has
> anyone else experienced this problem? possibly the higher
> temperatures of the Southwestern USA are to blame. I have been
> opening the oil door after each landing to keep the under cowl
> temperatures under control.
> >
>
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The stick-on reflective foil is sufficient to prevent the delamination.
Other types of material may protect the fiberglass better, but I can
=99t speak to that.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
> On May 4, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Bill Boyd <sportav8r@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jesse, should this be stick-on reflective foil or does it need some
backing layer or a stand-off air gap to be effective?
>
> -Bill
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com
<mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>> wrote:
<mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>>
>
> I have seen this on a number of planes that do not have heat shield in
those areas. The inside of the cowl turns brown, then black, then starts
to delaminate on the inside, then starts to delaminate on the outside. I
have seen all stages of this. Remove the delaminates part, lay up new
glass to cover that area with an overlap of the surrounding areas, then
add heat shield after it cures.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> 352-427-0285 <tel:352-427-0285>
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On May 3, 2017, at 9:57 PM, dlm <dlm34077@gmail.com
<mailto:dlm34077@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > just recently discovered (1200TT) that the lower cowl has three
areas of delaminated
> > fiberglass. Preparing for the repair I found a thin honeycomb and
reportedly 5 layers of glass.
> > The areas of delamination seemed to be directly below the three in
one connection to the heat muff and the exhaust tube of #6. Has anyone
else experienced this problem? possibly the higher temperatures of the
Southwestern USA are to blame. I have been opening the oil door after
each landing to keep the under cowl temperatures under control.
> >
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I've had no issues with just reflective stick-on foil.
If you can do that all over and add a patch with the
insulated backing near the very closest areas, you would
maybe even be better off, but I have no complaints
with what I have.
Tim
On 5/4/2017 11:23 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
> I experienced the burn problem. Once repaired, I used Thermo-Guard FR
> <https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/thermoguard.php?clickkey=25931>
> There is a reflective layer and some kind of insulating padding (air
> gap). There have been no signs of further damage several hundred hours
> later.
>
> In my unqualified opinion, I beleive that a reflective only shield would
> work fine. But I have no experience to bear that out.
>
> Bill
> On 5/4/2017 9:34 AM, Bill Boyd wrote:
>> Jesse, should this be stick-on reflective foil or does it need some
>> backing layer or a stand-off air gap to be effective?
>>
>> -Bill
>>
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I have the adhesive backed aluminum foil on the lower cowl. 400 hrs and no t
rouble with delamination or any other heat related defects. It was easy a
nd effective.
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies, LLC
610-928-3420
> On May 4, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
> The stick-on reflective foil is sufficient to prevent the delamination. Ot
her types of material may protect the fiberglass better, but I can=99t
speak to that.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
>> On May 4, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Bill Boyd <sportav8r@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Jesse, should this be stick-on reflective foil or does it need some backi
ng layer or a stand-off air gap to be effective?
>>
>> -Bill
>>
>>> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> w
rote:
>>>
>>> I have seen this on a number of planes that do not have heat shield in t
hose areas. The inside of the cowl turns brown, then black, then starts to d
elaminate on the inside, then starts to delaminate on the outside. I have se
en all stages of this. Remove the delaminates part, lay up new glass to cove
r that area with an overlap of the surrounding areas, then add heat shield a
fter it cures.
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> 352-427-0285
>>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> > On May 3, 2017, at 9:57 PM, dlm <dlm34077@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > just recently discovered (1200TT) that the lower cowl has three areas o
f delaminated
>>> > fiberglass. Preparing for the repair I found a thin honeycomb and repo
rtedly 5 layers of glass.
>>> > The areas of delamination seemed to be directly below the three in on
e connection to the heat muff and the exhaust tube of #6. Has anyone else ex
perienced this problem? possibly the higher temperatures of the Southwestern
USA are to blame. I have been opening the oil door after each landing to ke
ep the under cowl temperatures under control.
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How did you finish the interior of your cowl before applying foil?
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Tcwtech <rnewman@tcwtech.com> wrote:
> I have the adhesive backed aluminum foil on the lower cowl. 400 hrs and
> no trouble with delamination or any other heat related defects. It was
> easy and effective.
>
> Bob Newman
> TCW Technologies, LLC
> 610-928-3420 <(610)%20928-3420>
>
> On May 4, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>
> The stick-on reflective foil is sufficient to prevent the delamination.
> Other types of material may protect the fiberglass better, but I can
=99t
> speak to that.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285 <(352)%20427-0285>
> F: 815-377-3694 <(815)%20377-3694>
>
> On May 4, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Bill Boyd <sportav8r@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jesse, should this be stick-on reflective foil or does it need some
> backing layer or a stand-off air gap to be effective?
>
> -Bill
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I have seen this on a number of planes that do not have heat shield in
>> those areas. The inside of the cowl turns brown, then black, then starts
to
>> delaminate on the inside, then starts to delaminate on the outside. I ha
ve
>> seen all stages of this. Remove the delaminates part, lay up new glass t
o
>> cover that area with an overlap of the surrounding areas, then add heat
>> shield after it cures.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> 352-427-0285
>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On May 3, 2017, at 9:57 PM, dlm <dlm34077@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > just recently discovered (1200TT) that the lower cowl has three areas
>> of delaminated
>> > fiberglass. Preparing for the repair I found a thin honeycomb and
>> reportedly 5 layers of glass.
>> > The areas of delamination seemed to be directly below the three in on
e
>> connection to the heat muff and the exhaust tube of #6. Has anyone else
>> experienced this problem? possibly the higher temperatures of the
>> Southwestern USA are to blame. I have been opening the oil door after ea
ch
>> landing to keep the under cowl temperatures under control.
>> >
>>
>>
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Same here. >650 hrs.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tcwtech
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: cowl heat
I have the adhesive backed aluminum foil on the lower cowl. 400 hrs and
no trouble with delamination or any other heat related defects. It
was easy and effective.
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies, LLC
610-928-3420
On May 4, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com
<mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> > wrote:
The stick-on reflective foil is sufficient to prevent the delamination.
Other types of material may protect the fiberglass better, but I
can=99t speak to that.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On May 4, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Bill Boyd <sportav8r@gmail.com
<mailto:sportav8r@gmail.com> > wrote:
Jesse, should this be stick-on reflective foil or does it need some
backing layer or a stand-off air gap to be effective?
-Bill
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com
<mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> > wrote:
<mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> >
I have seen this on a number of planes that do not have heat shield in
those areas. The inside of the cowl turns brown, then black, then starts
to delaminate on the inside, then starts to delaminate on the outside. I
have seen all stages of this. Remove the delaminates part, lay up new
glass to cover that area with an overlap of the surrounding areas, then
add heat shield after it cures.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285 <tel:352-427-0285>
jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
Sent from my iPad
> On May 3, 2017, at 9:57 PM, dlm <dlm34077@gmail.com
<mailto:dlm34077@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> just recently discovered (1200TT) that the lower cowl has three areas
of delaminated
> fiberglass. Preparing for the repair I found a thin honeycomb and
reportedly 5 layers of glass.
> The areas of delamination seemed to be directly below the three in
one connection to the heat muff and the exhaust tube of #6. Has anyone
else experienced this problem? possibly the higher temperatures of the
Southwestern USA are to blame. I have been opening the oil door after
each landing to keep the under cowl temperatures under control.
>
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Several coats of thinned epoxy. Degreaser at the end.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Greenley
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: cowl heat
How did you finish the interior of your cowl before applying foil?
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Tcwtech <rnewman@tcwtech.com
<mailto:rnewman@tcwtech.com> > wrote:
I have the adhesive backed aluminum foil on the lower cowl. 400 hrs and
no trouble with delamination or any other heat related defects. It
was easy and effective.
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies, LLC
610-928-3420 <tel:(610)%20928-3420>
On May 4, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com
<mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> > wrote:
The stick-on reflective foil is sufficient to prevent the delamination.
Other types of material may protect the fiberglass better, but I
can=99t speak to that.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
C: 352-427-0285 <tel:(352)%20427-0285>
F: 815-377-3694 <tel:(815)%20377-3694>
On May 4, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Bill Boyd <sportav8r@gmail.com
<mailto:sportav8r@gmail.com> > wrote:
Jesse, should this be stick-on reflective foil or does it need some
backing layer or a stand-off air gap to be effective?
-Bill
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com
<mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> > wrote:
<mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> >
I have seen this on a number of planes that do not have heat shield in
those areas. The inside of the cowl turns brown, then black, then starts
to delaminate on the inside, then starts to delaminate on the outside. I
have seen all stages of this. Remove the delaminates part, lay up new
glass to cover that area with an overlap of the surrounding areas, then
add heat shield after it cures.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285 <tel:352-427-0285>
jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
Sent from my iPad
> On May 3, 2017, at 9:57 PM, dlm <dlm34077@gmail.com
<mailto:dlm34077@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> just recently discovered (1200TT) that the lower cowl has three areas
of delaminated
> fiberglass. Preparing for the repair I found a thin honeycomb and
reportedly 5 layers of glass.
> The areas of delamination seemed to be directly below the three in
one connection to the heat muff and the exhaust tube of #6. Has anyone
else experienced this problem? possibly the higher temperatures of the
Southwestern USA are to blame. I have been opening the oil door after
each landing to keep the under cowl temperatures under control.
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A coat of thinned epoxy and then I actually just had my painter shoot a
coat of white inside the whole cowl. That way any area that
didn=99t get foil would still look nice and clean up easily.
Works as anticipated.
-Bob
From: William Greenley
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: cowl heat
How did you finish the interior of your cowl before applying foil?
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Tcwtech <rnewman@tcwtech.com> wrote:
I have the adhesive backed aluminum foil on the lower cowl. 400 hrs
and no trouble with delamination or any other heat related defects.
It was easy and effective.
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies, LLC
610-928-3420
On May 4, 2017, at 12:40 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
wrote:
The stick-on reflective foil is sufficient to prevent the
delamination. Other types of material may protect the fiberglass better,
but I can=99t speak to that.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On May 4, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Bill Boyd <sportav8r@gmail.com> wrote:
Jesse, should this be stick-on reflective foil or does it need
some backing layer or a stand-off air gap to be effective?
-Bill
On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:13 PM, Jesse Saint
<jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
<jesse@saintaviation.com>
I have seen this on a number of planes that do not have heat
shield in those areas. The inside of the cowl turns brown, then black,
then starts to delaminate on the inside, then starts to delaminate on
the outside. I have seen all stages of this. Remove the delaminates
part, lay up new glass to cover that area with an overlap of the
surrounding areas, then add heat shield after it cures.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse@saintaviation.com
Sent from my iPad
> On May 3, 2017, at 9:57 PM, dlm <dlm34077@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> just recently discovered (1200TT) that the lower cowl has
three areas of delaminated
> fiberglass. Preparing for the repair I found a thin honeycomb
and reportedly 5 layers of glass.
> The areas of delamination seemed to be directly below the
three in one connection to the heat muff and the exhaust tube of #6. Has
anyone else experienced this problem? possibly the higher temperatures
of the Southwestern USA are to blame. I have been opening the oil door
after each landing to keep the under cowl temperatures under control.
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