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1. 04:45 AM - Re: Antsplat products (Jesse Saint)
2. 06:03 AM - Re: Antsplat products (Kelly McMullen)
3. 09:19 AM - Re: Antsplat products (Rob Kermanj)
4. 09:34 AM - Re: Antsplat products (Linn Walters)
5. 09:49 AM - Re: Antsplat products (Tom Chapman)
6. 10:31 AM - Re: Antsplat products (Linn Walters)
7. 12:34 PM - Re: Antsplat products (Kelly McMullen)
8. 01:11 PM - Re: Antsplat products (Linn Walters)
9. 02:07 PM - Re: Antsplat products (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Re: Antsplat products |
I know quit a few people are, but there have been problems with the port tha
t dumps the air into the exhaust clogging and blowing out the front cranksha
ft seal. Unless that problem has been addressed, don't use that part of the s
ystem.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse@saintaviation.com
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> Anyone using oil separator made by Antisplat Aero?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Rob Kermanj
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antsplat products |
IIRC there has been a discussion or two on oil/air separators that folks
have been happy with. Seems like Super Slime fighter might have been one.
-sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 4:43 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
wrote:
> I know quit a few people are, but there have been problems with the port
> that dumps the air into the exhaust clogging and blowing out the front
> crankshaft seal. Unless that problem has been addressed, don't use that
> part of the system.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> 352-427-0285 <(352)%20427-0285>
> jesse@saintaviation.com
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> Anyone using oil separator made by Antisplat Aero?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Rob Kermanj
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antsplat products |
Had a similar issue with my Andair separator. A press fit baffle came
loose and blocked the exit line causing a lot of engine oil leaks. A
cutter pin holding the baffle fixed the problem.
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
wrote:
>
> I know quit a few people are, but there have been problems with the
port that dumps the air into the exhaust clogging and blowing out the
front crankshaft seal. Unless that problem has been addressed, don't use
that part of the system.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> 352-427-0285
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com
<mailto:flysrv10@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Anyone using oil separator made by Antisplat Aero?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Rob Kermanj
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Antsplat products |
I'm not a fan of air/oil separators. If you have too much oil on the
belly from the crankcase breather then there is a problem lurking in
your engine. The air/oil separators are a bandaid that covers up the
results of excessive blow-by from broken or worn-out rings. As has been
posted already, failure of the separator can be terribly expensive.
A better (in my mind) solution to an oily belly would be to extend the
breather tube down lower in the slipstream. IMHO.
Linn
On 6/19/2017 12:17 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote:
> Had a similar issue with my Andair separator. A press fit baffle came
> loose and blocked the exit line causing a lot of engine oil leaks. A
> cutter pin holding the baffle fixed the problem.
>
>
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com
>> <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I know quit a few people are, but there have been problems with the
>> port that dumps the air into the exhaust clogging and blowing out the
>> front crankshaft seal. Unless that problem has been addressed, don't
>> use that part of the system.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> 352-427-0285
>> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com
>> <mailto:flysrv10@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Anyone using oil separator made by Antisplat Aero?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob Kermanj
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
>
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| Subject: | Antsplat products |
Is there a reason why a well vented container to catch the blow by mounted
low on the firewall could not be used?
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Antsplat products
I'm not a fan of air/oil separators. If you have too much oil on the belly
from the crankcase breather then there is a problem lurking in your engine.
The air/oil separators are a bandaid that covers up the results of excessive
blow-by from broken or worn-out rings. As has been posted already, failure
of the separator can be terribly expensive.
A better (in my mind) solution to an oily belly would be to extend the
breather tube down lower in the slipstream. IMHO.
Linn
On 6/19/2017 12:17 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote:
Had a similar issue with my Andair separator. A press fit baffle came loose
and blocked the exit line causing a lot of engine oil leaks. A cutter pin
holding the baffle fixed the problem.
On Jun 19, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
I know quit a few people are, but there have been problems with the port
that dumps the air into the exhaust clogging and blowing out the front
crankshaft seal. Unless that problem has been addressed, don't use that part
of the system.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
352-427-0285
jesse@saintaviation.com
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 18, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All,
Anyone using oil separator made by Antisplat Aero?
Thanks.
Rob Kermanj
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| Subject: | Re: Antsplat products |
None at all. Use a tall glass jar ..... like olives come in ..... and
put a stainless scrubby (or two) in the bottom around the tube.
Depending on the amount of blow-by you may get some mist of oil near the
jar. Check the oil level in the jar during your preflight if you can
see it through the air exit ramp.
Linn
On 6/19/2017 12:49 PM, Tom Chapman wrote:
>
> Is there a reason why a well vented container to catch the blow by
> mounted low on the firewall could not be used?
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Linn Walters
> *Sent:* Monday, June 19, 2017 11:34 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Antsplat products
>
> I'm not a fan of air/oil separators. If you have too much oil on the
> belly from the crankcase breather then there is a problem lurking in
> your engine. The air/oil separators are a bandaid that covers up the
> results of excessive blow-by from broken or worn-out rings. As has
> been posted already, failure of the separator can be terribly expensive.
> A better (in my mind) solution to an oily belly would be to extend the
> breather tube down lower in the slipstream. IMHO.
> Linn
>
> On 6/19/2017 12:17 PM, Rob Kermanj wrote:
>
> Had a similar issue with my Andair separator. A press fit baffle
> came loose and blocked the exit line causing a lot of engine oil
> leaks. A cutter pin holding the baffle fixed the problem.
>
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Jesse Saint
> <jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>> wrote:
>
> I know quit a few people are, but there have been problems
> with the port that dumps the air into the exhaust clogging and
> blowing out the front crankshaft seal. Unless that problem has
> been addressed, don't use that part of the system.
>
> Jesse Saint
>
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>
> 352-427-0285
>
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com
> <mailto:flysrv10@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> Anyone using oil separator made by Antisplat Aero?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Rob Kermanj
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
> Date: 06/19/17
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antsplat products |
Not necessarily true. There is an art to finding where to terminate the
breather tube so that it is in neither high nor low pressure area. If in
low pressure area, extra blowby departs the crankcase. I have seen brand
new engines, built with rings in spec, that had too much oil out the
breather tube. It most certainly was NOT an mechanical problem. IMHO,
breathers with or without separators should not be connected to the exhaust
system. The relative pressure also determines how much oil you can keep in
the sump. A well designed separator should have nothing that can come loose
into the airstream. How you deal with the separated oil is a whole 'nuther
debate.
-sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> I'm not a fan of air/oil separators. If you have too much oil on the
> belly from the crankcase breather then there is a problem lurking in your
> engine. The air/oil separators are a bandaid that covers up the results of
> excessive blow-by from broken or worn-out rings. As has been posted
> already, failure of the separator can be terribly expensive.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antsplat products |
I'm sure there are installations that are problematic, but I've not come
across one personally. Most of the crankcase vents I've dealt with are
in the nose of the crankcase and the routing of the hose back to the
firewall typically drop a little as the hose makes it's way aft which
means that a little oil in the tube always drains aft .... and drips on
the hangar floor. As you said .... even engines in great shape may drip.
This will be my second encounter using the accessory case for the vent
.... my O-360 in my Pitts was the first .... but the inverted oil system
routes all the excess back to the tail.
Speaking of which, the Grummans have a 'whistle hole' on the tube up
inside the cowl to prevent freezing over the tube and blocking the
vent. I don't think that's a common practice on the Vans vents for
whatever reason.
Linn
On 6/19/2017 3:33 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> Not necessarily true. There is an art to finding where to terminate
> the breather tube so that it is in neither high nor low pressure area.
> If in low pressure area, extra blowby departs the crankcase. I have
> seen brand new engines, built with rings in spec, that had too much
> oil out the breather tube. It most certainly was NOT an mechanical
> problem. IMHO, breathers with or without separators should not be
> connected to the exhaust system. The relative pressure also determines
> how much oil you can keep in the sump. A well designed separator
> should have nothing that can come loose into the airstream. How you
> deal with the separated oil is a whole 'nuther debate.
>
>
> -sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com
> <mailto:flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>> wrote:
>
> I'm not a fan of air/oil separators. If you have too much oil on
> the belly from the crankcase breather then there is a problem
> lurking in your engine. The air/oil separators are a bandaid that
> covers up the results of excessive blow-by from broken or worn-out
> rings. As has been posted already, failure of the separator can
> be terribly expensive.
>
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Antsplat products |
Only Continental engines have the vent on the nose of the case, AFAiK.
Lycomings use the accessory case, and they like to blow overboard oil that
is above a certain amount. It is easier with the Continentals to have an
uphill run of some distance to condense the oil back out of the blowby
stream. My planes with Lycoming engines typically did not drip from the
vent after shut down. But they did ensure that the belly had a fine mist of
oil. If it weren't a common problem, there would not be so many "solutions"
on the market.
-sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> I'm sure there are installations that are problematic, but I've not come
> across one personally. Most of the crankcase vents I've dealt with are in
> the nose of the crankcase and the routing of the hose back to the firewall
> typically drop a little as the hose makes it's way aft which means that a
> little oil in the tube always drains aft .... and drips on the hangar
> floor. As you said .... even engines in great shape may drip.
> This will be my second encounter using the accessory case for the vent
> .... my O-360 in my Pitts was the first .... but the inverted oil system
> routes all the excess back to the tail.
>
> Speaking of which, the Grummans have a 'whistle hole' on the tube up
> inside the cowl to prevent freezing over the tube and blocking the vent. I
> don't think that's a common practice on the Vans vents for whatever reason.
> Linn
>
>
> On 6/19/2017 3:33 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Not necessarily true. There is an art to finding where to terminate the
> breather tube so that it is in neither high nor low pressure area. If in
> low pressure area, extra blowby departs the crankcase. I have seen brand
> new engines, built with rings in spec, that had too much oil out the
> breather tube. It most certainly was NOT an mechanical problem. IMHO,
> breathers with or without separators should not be connected to the exhaust
> system. The relative pressure also determines how much oil you can keep in
> the sump. A well designed separator should have nothing that can come loose
> into the airstream. How you deal with the separated oil is a whole 'nuther
> debate.
>
>
> -sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Linn Walters <flying-nut@cfl.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not a fan of air/oil separators. If you have too much oil on the
>> belly from the crankcase breather then there is a problem lurking in your
>> engine. The air/oil separators are a bandaid that covers up the results of
>> excessive blow-by from broken or worn-out rings. As has been posted
>> already, failure of the separator can be terribly expensive.
>>
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Date: 06/19/17
>
>
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