---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/21/17: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:26 AM - Auto Response: RV10-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 07/20/17 (David Halmos) 2. 05:57 AM - leaning (dlm) 3. 06:52 AM - Re: leaning (Bill Watson) 4. 10:45 AM - Re: Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social (Marcus Cooper) 5. 11:11 AM - Re: Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social (Bob Leffler) 6. 11:29 AM - Re: Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social (Marcus Cooper) 7. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social (Bob Leffler) 8. 07:32 PM - Re: Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social (Bob Condrey) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:24 AM PST US From: David Halmos Subject: RV10-List: Auto Response: RV10-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 07/20/17 Thank you for your email! Unfortunately, I will checking email VERY sporadically but I will get back to you when I am able. Thanks, David ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:08 AM PST US From: dlm Subject: RV10-List: leaning I use 2250 RPM as that is the IO540 best torque point. I also use about 22.5 MP or FT. This provides about 60% and LOP fuel flows about 9 gph and 150KTAS. I have had the aircraft to 17000 MSL over the four corners area and showing about 50%, KTAS 150 and flow of slightly under 9 gph. Try best torque RPM to achieve 150 KTAS and flows of about 9 gph. The running is smooth and saves 1-3 gph by giving up about 10 KTAS. Don't know the top speed having never been there. When I see 25 gph flow for FT takeoff; I begin to think about leaning; With two people it will climb faster than a spam can even at 55-60%. David McNeill N46007 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: leaning From: Bill Watson I run about the same; 2200-2300 RPM and FT. I can get 9.2 gph and 150KTAS at 9,000 and above but I now aim for 155KTAS which takes the fuel flow to 10.0 to 10.6. Nice know that the best torque point is around 2250 because I've arrived at that figure by 'feel' (?). Generally if I have a headwind I'll run more fuel thru it to get 155 -160KTAS and if a strong tailwind I roll the fuel back to do 150-155KTAS. What I do on the climb is FT with a roll back from 2700 to 2600 once the climb is established. Then at 1500 to 2000MSL I hit the leaning function on my GRT. Once all cylinders' EGT falls to -10F I start leaning to keep it there. dAs I understand it, the thinking behind that is that the engine is setup so that full rich and FT at sea level is safe in terms of cylinder cooling and detonation. Then as you climb the engine at full rich is progressively too rich. Waiting until 2000MSL then letting the EGTs fall 10F keeps things conservatively rich (ROP) at which point I begin leaning to stay there. I get some significant fuel flow savings on the climb with flows dropping below 20gph before climbing thru 9k. On 7/21/2017 8:54 AM, dlm wrote: > I use 2250 RPM as that is the IO540 best torque point. I also use > about 22.5 MP or FT. This provides about 60% and LOP fuel flows about > 9 gph and 150KTAS. I have had the aircraft to 17000 MSL over the four > corners area and showing about 50%, KTAS 150 and flow of slightly > under 9 gph. Try best torque RPM to achieve 150 KTAS and flows of > about 9 gph. The running is smooth and saves 1-3 gph by giving up > about 10 KTAS. > > Don't know the top speed having never been there. When I see 25 gph > flow for FT takeoff; I begin to think about leaning; With two people > it will climb faster than a spam can even at 55-60%. > > David McNeill > N46007 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social From: Marcus Cooper Bob and any others in the know, I have an odd question, but since we are going to be arriving Sunday afternoon and camping with our airplane in the homebuilt section and nothing is really open yet on Sunday, is there any benefit to getting show tickets for Sunday? Looks like we can just walk over to the camping area where you are setup for the dinner. I dont want to be too cheap, but dont see the need to spend $19 each just to cut through either. Thanks, Marcus On Jul 17, 2017, at 11:59 PM, bcondrey wrote: Just to have all info in the same thread... Location is between 51st & 52nd streets, just south of Lindbergh in Camp Scholler. Start time still 5:30. As in years past, RV-10 builders/flyers/dreamers are welcome to use the common area we've set up for socializing before during the week of the show. We're on site now and have tables and shade ready to go. A few have asked about cost - A few generous vendors contribute to help facilitate our gathering and there will be a free will donation box available. There isn't a "recommended" amount and we don't keep score, just whatever you feel like contributing. This is absolutely a zero profit venture, any funds remaining after dinner expenses are covered are rolled over into the next year as "seed funds". We started putting this together in the very early RV-10 years as a way for us early builders to meet and exchange ideas. We've kept it going because there is a constant stream of new builders that can benefit. It's also RV-10 related chatter every night, a chance to reconnect with people and a chance to meet new builders. A few have asked about cost - A few generous vendors contribute to help facilitate our gathering and there will be a free will donation box available. There isn't a "recommended" amount and we don't keep score, just whatever you feel like contributing. This is absolutely a zero profit venture, any funds remaining after expenses are covered are just rolled over into the next year. Bob (and Gary) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471127#471127 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:08 AM PST US From: Bob Leffler Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social There is plenty to see on Sunday. Things changed a couple years ago. Most of the food places are now open on the weekend. You use your Monday band to gain access on Sunday. Nothing to purchase for Sunday. I'll be arriving HBC Saturday morning, weather permitting. Get Outlook for iOS _____________________________ From: Marcus Cooper > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:55 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social oprv7@yahoo.com>> Bob and any others in the know, I have an odd question, but since we are going to be arriving Sunday aftern oon and camping with our airplane in the homebuilt section and nothing is r eally open yet on Sunday, is there any benefit to getting show tickets for Sunday? Looks like we can just walk over to the camping area where you are setup for the dinner. I don=92t want to be too cheap, but don=92t see the n eed to spend $19 each just to cut through either. Thanks, Marcus On Jul 17, 2017, at 11:59 PM, bcondrey > wrote: reyb@gmail.com>> Just to have all info in the same thread... Location is between 51st & 52nd streets, just south of Lindbergh in Camp Sc holler. Start time still 5:30. As in years past, RV-10 builders/flyers/drea mers are welcome to use the common area we've set up for socializing before during the week of the show. We're on site now and have tables and shade r eady to go. A few have asked about cost - A few generous vendors contribute to help fac ilitate our gathering and there will be a free will donation box available. There isn't a "recommended" amount and we don't keep score, just whatever you feel like contributing. This is absolutely a zero profit venture, any f unds remaining after dinner expenses are covered are rolled over into the n ext year as "seed funds". We started putting this together in the very early RV-10 years as a way for us early builders to meet and exchange ideas. We've kept it going because there is a constant stream of new builders that can benefit. It's also RV-1 0 related chatter every night, a chance to reconnect with people and a chan ce to meet new builders. A few have asked about cost - A few generous vendors contribute to help fac ilitate our gathering and there will be a free will donation box available. There isn't a "recommended" amount and we don't keep score, just whatever you feel like contributing. This is absolutely a zero profit venture, any f unds remaining after expenses are covered are just rolled over into the nex t year. Bob (and Gary) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471127#471127 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:29:30 AM PST US From: Marcus Cooper Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social Thanks, I had called EAA headquarters and they said nothing about the Monday band working on Sunday. We will be there just in time for the RV-10 dinner so I doubt we will need any more food. I had the impression the only thing to see was airplanes arriving which we can do from our airplane. Thanks for the heads up about the Monday bands working. Marcus On Jul 21, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: There is plenty to see on Sunday. Things changed a couple years ago. Most of the food places are now open on the weekend. You use your Monday band to gain access on Sunday. Nothing to purchase for Sunday. I'll be arriving HBC Saturday morning, weather permitting. Get Outlook for iOS _____________________________ From: Marcus Cooper > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:55 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social > Bob and any others in the know, I have an odd question, but since we are going to be arriving Sunday afternoon and camping with our airplane in the homebuilt section and nothing is really open yet on Sunday, is there any benefit to getting show tickets for Sunday? Looks like we can just walk over to the camping area where you are setup for the dinner. I don=92t want to be too cheap, but don=92t see the need to spend $19 each just to cut through either. Thanks, Marcus On Jul 17, 2017, at 11:59 PM, bcondrey > wrote: > Just to have all info in the same thread... Location is between 51st & 52nd streets, just south of Lindbergh in Camp Scholler. Start time still 5:30. As in years past, RV-10 builders/flyers/dreamers are welcome to use the common area we've set up for socializing before during the week of the show. We're on site now and have tables and shade ready to go. A few have asked about cost - A few generous vendors contribute to help facilitate our gathering and there will be a free will donation box available. There isn't a "recommended" amount and we don't keep score, just whatever you feel like contributing. This is absolutely a zero profit venture, any funds remaining after dinner expenses are covered are rolled over into the next year as "seed funds". We started putting this together in the very early RV-10 years as a way for us early builders to meet and exchange ideas. We've kept it going because there is a constant stream of new builders that can benefit. It's also RV-10 related chatter every night, a chance to reconnect with people and a chance to meet new builders. A few have asked about cost - A few generous vendors contribute to help facilitate our gathering and there will be a free will donation box available. There isn't a "recommended" amount and we don't keep score, just whatever you feel like contributing. This is absolutely a zero profit venture, any funds remaining after expenses are covered are just rolled over into the next year. Bob (and Gary) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471127#471127 -List" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="6"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ta-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="7"> http://forums.matronics.com -detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="8"> http://wiki.matronics.com x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="9"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:38 PM PST US From: Bob Leffler Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social The bands actually say sun/mon too. See you Sunday! Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Marcus Cooper Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:29:07 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social Thanks, I had called EAA headquarters and they said nothing about the Monda y band working on Sunday. We will be there just in time for the RV-10 dinn er so I doubt we will need any more food. I had the impression the only th ing to see was airplanes arriving which we can do from our airplane. Thank s for the heads up about the Monday bands working. Marcus On Jul 21, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Bob Leffler > wrote: There is plenty to see on Sunday. Things changed a couple years ago. Most of the food places are now open on the weekend. You use your Monday band to gain access on Sunday. Nothing to purchase for Sunday. I'll be arriving HBC Saturday morning, weather permitting. Get Outlook for iOS _____________________________ From: Marcus Cooper > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:55 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social oprv7@yahoo.com>> Bob and any others in the know, I have an odd question, but since we are going to be arriving Sunday aftern oon and camping with our airplane in the homebuilt section and nothing is r eally open yet on Sunday, is there any benefit to getting show tickets for Sunday? Looks like we can just walk over to the camping area where you are setup for the dinner. I don=92t want to be too cheap, but don=92t see the n eed to spend $19 each just to cut through either. Thanks, Marcus On Jul 17, 2017, at 11:59 PM, bcondrey > wrote: reyb@gmail.com>> Just to have all info in the same thread... Location is between 51st & 52nd streets, just south of Lindbergh in Camp Sc holler. Start time still 5:30. As in years past, RV-10 builders/flyers/drea mers are welcome to use the common area we've set up for socializing before during the week of the show. We're on site now and have tables and shade r eady to go. A few have asked about cost - A few generous vendors contribute to help fac ilitate our gathering and there will be a free will donation box available. There isn't a "recommended" amount and we don't keep score, just whatever you feel like contributing. This is absolutely a zero profit venture, any f unds remaining after dinner expenses are covered are rolled over into the n ext year as "seed funds". We started putting this together in the very early RV-10 years as a way for us early builders to meet and exchange ideas. We've kept it going because there is a constant stream of new builders that can benefit. It's also RV-1 0 related chatter every night, a chance to reconnect with people and a chan ce to meet new builders. A few have asked about cost - A few generous vendors contribute to help fac ilitate our gathering and there will be a free will donation box available. There isn't a "recommended" amount and we don't keep score, just whatever you feel like contributing. This is absolutely a zero profit venture, any f unds remaining after expenses are covered are just rolled over into the nex t year. Bob (and Gary) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471127#471127 -List" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="6"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV 10-List ta-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-det ectors-result="7"> http://forums.matronics.com -detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detec tors-result="8"> http://wiki.matronics.com x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-appl e-data-detectors-result="9"> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:36 PM PST US From: Bob Condrey Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social Just confirming what others have said - beginning Sunday wristbands are required for access to the grounds. There isn't actually a Sunday wristband though, as others have said, it's really just the Monday band. The break even for the weekly wristband is 4 days I believe. Bottom line: just get your Monday wristband when you do your camping reservation and you're good to go with no extra cost. Bob On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 2:25 PM Bob Leffler wrote: > The bands actually say sun/mon too. See you Sunday! > > Get Outlook for iOS > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com < > owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> on behalf of Marcus Cooper < > cooprv7@yahoo.com> > *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 2:29:07 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social > > Thanks, I had called EAA headquarters and they said nothing about the > Monday band working on Sunday. We will be there just in time for the RV- 10 > dinner so I doubt we will need any more food. I had the impression the > only thing to see was airplanes arriving which we can do from our > airplane. Thanks for the heads up about the Monday bands working. > > Marcus > > > On Jul 21, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > There is plenty to see on Sunday. > > Things changed a couple years ago. Most of the food places are now open > on the weekend. > > You use your Monday band to gain access on Sunday. Nothing to purchase > for Sunday. > > I'll be arriving HBC Saturday morning, weather permitting. > > Get Outlook for iOS > _____________________________ > From: Marcus Cooper > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 2017 AirVenture RV-10 Dinner/Social > To: > > > > Bob and any others in the know, > > I have an odd question, but since we are going to be arriving Sunday > afternoon and camping with our airplane in the homebuilt section and > nothing is really open yet on Sunday, is there any benefit to getting sho w > tickets for Sunday? Looks like we can just walk over to the camping area > where you are setup for the dinner. I don=99t want to be too cheap, but don=99t > see the need to spend $19 each just to cut through either. > > Thanks, > Marcus > > > On Jul 17, 2017, at 11:59 PM, bcondrey wrote: > > > Just to have all info in the same thread... > > Location is between 51st & 52nd streets, just south of Lindbergh in Camp > Scholler. Start time still 5:30. As in years past, RV-10 > builders/flyers/dreamers are welcome to use the common area we've set up > for socializing before during the week of the show. We're on site now and > have tables and shade ready to go. > > A few have asked about cost - A few generous vendors contribute to help > facilitate our gathering and there will be a free will donation box > available. There isn't a "recommended" amount and we don't keep score, ju st > whatever you feel like contributing. This is absolutely a zero profit > venture, any funds remaining after dinner expenses are covered are rolled > over into the next year as "seed funds". > > We started putting this together in the very early RV-10 years as a way > for us early builders to meet and exchange ideas. We've kept it going > because there is a constant stream of new builders that can benefit. It's > also RV-10 related chatter every night, a chance to reconnect with people > and a chance to meet new builders. > > A few have asked about cost - A few generous vendors contribute to help > facilitate our gathering and there will be a free will donation box > available. There isn't a "recommended" amount and we don't keep score, ju st > whatever you feel like contributing. 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