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1. 07:21 AM - Re: Tempest Spark Plugs (Kelly McMullen)
2. 11:33 AM - Re: Tempest Spark Plugs (Phillip Perry)
3. 11:56 AM - Re: Tempest Spark Plugs (Tim Olson)
4. 01:41 PM - Re: Tempest Spark Plugs (Kelly McMullen)
5. 03:01 PM - Re: Tempest Spark Plugs (Phillip Perry)
6. 04:12 PM - WTB 3" Adair Valve extension (whodja)
7. 05:07 PM - Re: WTB 3" Adair Valve extension (Patrick Pulis)
8. 08:26 PM - Re: WTB 3" Adair Valve extension (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Re: Tempest Spark Plugs |
Did you get your rough running and fuel pressure issues resolved? Did
AFP have suggestions?
The fine wires are good if you don't mind more than double the money
up front, and hoping you don't drop one, break the electrode trying to
adjust gap, or any other malady arise during your run to TBO with fine
wires.
Currently $80 times 12 vs $28 times 12.
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
> Those Tempest fire wires are the cats meow. Amazing plugs! Smooth,
> nearly impossible to foul, and there's a good chance they'll reach TBO.
>
> They're expensive, but IMO they're worth every dollar (or Loonie in your
> case).
>
> Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Tempest Spark Plugs |
The difference is daylight and dark between the two. No gapping necessary.
Buy, drop in, and fly for years. They're every bit as smooth as my electronic
ignition and the drop off (assuming I'm leaned correctly) is about 140 rpm.
Really awesome plugs. I'll never buy another massive electrode plug again.
I got the plane back together yesterday and flew it for 1.1. Its back to running
like a top, but fuel pressures are still fluctuating just at a higher psi.
I'm going to try a few more things forward of the firewall. Once I get it nailed
down a bit more I'll send an update. But don't have all the answers yet to
provided anything definitive. Just working through theories forward of the
f/w right now.
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 17, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Did you get your rough running and fuel pressure issues resolved? Did
> AFP have suggestions?
>
> The fine wires are good if you don't mind more than double the money
> up front, and hoping you don't drop one, break the electrode trying to
> adjust gap, or any other malady arise during your run to TBO with fine
> wires.
> Currently $80 times 12 vs $28 times 12.
>
>
>
>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Those Tempest fire wires are the cats meow. Amazing plugs! Smooth,
>> nearly impossible to foul, and there's a good chance they'll reach TBO.
>>
>> They're expensive, but IMO they're worth every dollar (or Loonie in your
>> case).
>>
>> Phil
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tempest Spark Plugs |
I'd second that.
I've had my current fine wire plugs for I think around 1000 hours or so,
and I've never had to re-gap them once. They don't foul, and run
real well. I am careful not to drop plugs, but if you drop
any plug you shouldn't use it ever again, so I'd have to be careful
with the massives too. They're just cheaper. I have liked them
so much in my RV-10 that when I got a brand new IO-390 for the
RV-14 that came with massive electrode plugs, I pulled them out
and sold them and replaced them with fine-wire before the first
engine start. I'll also never buy a massive again. The spark
is so much more exposed to the fuel/air charge.
Good luck, Phil, with your hunt!
Tim
On 8/17/2017 1:33 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>
> The difference is daylight and dark between the two. No gapping necessary.
Buy, drop in, and fly for years. They're every bit as smooth as my electronic
ignition and the drop off (assuming I'm leaned correctly) is about 140 rpm.
Really awesome plugs. I'll never buy another massive electrode plug again.
>
> I got the plane back together yesterday and flew it for 1.1. Its back to running
like a top, but fuel pressures are still fluctuating just at a higher psi.
>
> I'm going to try a few more things forward of the firewall. Once I get it nailed
down a bit more I'll send an update. But don't have all the answers yet
to provided anything definitive. Just working through theories forward of the
f/w right now.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 17, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Did you get your rough running and fuel pressure issues resolved? Did
>> AFP have suggestions?
>>
>> The fine wires are good if you don't mind more than double the money
>> up front, and hoping you don't drop one, break the electrode trying to
>> adjust gap, or any other malady arise during your run to TBO with fine
>> wires.
>> Currently $80 times 12 vs $28 times 12.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Those Tempest fire wires are the cats meow. Amazing plugs! Smooth,
>>> nearly impossible to foul, and there's a good chance they'll reach TBO.
>>>
>>> They're expensive, but IMO they're worth every dollar (or Loonie in your
>>> case).
>>>
>>> Phil
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Tempest Spark Plugs |
Glad you all liked fine wires so much. I have flown with Champion fine
wires, currently have 8 of them in my -10. I have not noticed that kind
of improvement. Have always had 80-120 rpm drop on mag checks. Granted
the Tempest probably are better than the Champions. Usually, when I do
the math, there isn't much difference in cost between massives that need
replacing 3-4 times over a TBO run, and fine wires that don't need
replacing, unless one gets damaged.
On 8/17/2017 11:55 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I'd second that.
> I've had my current fine wire plugs for I think around 1000 hours or so,
> and I've never had to re-gap them once. They don't foul, and run
> real well. I am careful not to drop plugs, but if you drop
> any plug you shouldn't use it ever again, so I'd have to be careful
> with the massives too. They're just cheaper. I have liked them
> so much in my RV-10 that when I got a brand new IO-390 for the
> RV-14 that came with massive electrode plugs, I pulled them out
> and sold them and replaced them with fine-wire before the first
> engine start. I'll also never buy a massive again. The spark
> is so much more exposed to the fuel/air charge.
>
> Good luck, Phil, with your hunt!
> Tim
>
>
>
>
> On 8/17/2017 1:33 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>>
>> The difference is daylight and dark between the two. No gapping
>> necessary. Buy, drop in, and fly for years. They're every bit as
>> smooth as my electronic ignition and the drop off (assuming I'm leaned
>> correctly) is about 140 rpm. Really awesome plugs. I'll never buy
>> another massive electrode plug again.
>>
>> I got the plane back together yesterday and flew it for 1.1. Its
>> back to running like a top, but fuel pressures are still fluctuating
>> just at a higher psi.
>>
>> I'm going to try a few more things forward of the firewall. Once I
>> get it nailed down a bit more I'll send an update. But don't have all
>> the answers yet to provided anything definitive. Just working
>> through theories forward of the f/w right now.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 17, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you get your rough running and fuel pressure issues resolved? Did
>>> AFP have suggestions?
>>>
>>> The fine wires are good if you don't mind more than double the money
>>> up front, and hoping you don't drop one, break the electrode trying to
>>> adjust gap, or any other malady arise during your run to TBO with fine
>>> wires.
>>> Currently $80 times 12 vs $28 times 12.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Phillip Perry
>>>> <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Those Tempest fire wires are the cats meow. Amazing plugs! Smooth,
>>>> nearly impossible to foul, and there's a good chance they'll reach TBO.
>>>>
>>>> They're expensive, but IMO they're worth every dollar (or Loonie in
>>>> your
>>>> case).
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tempest Spark Plugs |
I wish I had experience with the fine wires at the time I built up the engine on
paper; I probably would have skipped the electronic ignition all together for
the simplicity and performance of the magneto and fine wires.
On a scale with massive electrodes on one end and electronic ignition on the other,
the Tempest fine wires performance had been much closer to the performance
of the electronic ignition than to the massive electrode. I carry a massive
electrode as a spare, but I'm even considering swapping the spare out for a fine
wire in the go-box.
Every time I do a mag check on my Slick, I literally smile. Is it as good as the
electronic ignition? No. But man is it close and it doesn't require any
wiring or squeezing a $1,700 box into a well ventilated home.
I'd be just as happy with dual fine wire mags as I am with a 1 and 1 configuration.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 17, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
>
> Glad you all liked fine wires so much. I have flown with Champion fine wires,
currently have 8 of them in my -10. I have not noticed that kind of improvement.
Have always had 80-120 rpm drop on mag checks. Granted the Tempest probably
are better than the Champions. Usually, when I do the math, there isn't much
difference in cost between massives that need replacing 3-4 times over a TBO
run, and fine wires that don't need replacing, unless one gets damaged.
>
>> On 8/17/2017 11:55 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>> I'd second that.
>> I've had my current fine wire plugs for I think around 1000 hours or so,
>> and I've never had to re-gap them once. They don't foul, and run
>> real well. I am careful not to drop plugs, but if you drop
>> any plug you shouldn't use it ever again, so I'd have to be careful
>> with the massives too. They're just cheaper. I have liked them
>> so much in my RV-10 that when I got a brand new IO-390 for the
>> RV-14 that came with massive electrode plugs, I pulled them out
>> and sold them and replaced them with fine-wire before the first
>> engine start. I'll also never buy a massive again. The spark
>> is so much more exposed to the fuel/air charge.
>> Good luck, Phil, with your hunt!
>> Tim
>>> On 8/17/2017 1:33 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>>>
>>> The difference is daylight and dark between the two. No gapping necessary.
Buy, drop in, and fly for years. They're every bit as smooth as my electronic
ignition and the drop off (assuming I'm leaned correctly) is about 140
rpm. Really awesome plugs. I'll never buy another massive electrode plug
again.
>>>
>>> I got the plane back together yesterday and flew it for 1.1. Its back to
running like a top, but fuel pressures are still fluctuating just at a higher
psi.
>>>
>>> I'm going to try a few more things forward of the firewall. Once I get it
nailed down a bit more I'll send an update. But don't have all the answers yet
to provided anything definitive. Just working through theories forward of
the f/w right now.
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Aug 17, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you get your rough running and fuel pressure issues resolved? Did
>>>> AFP have suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> The fine wires are good if you don't mind more than double the money
>>>> up front, and hoping you don't drop one, break the electrode trying to
>>>> adjust gap, or any other malady arise during your run to TBO with fine
>>>> wires.
>>>> Currently $80 times 12 vs $28 times 12.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Those Tempest fire wires are the cats meow. Amazing plugs! Smooth,
>>>>> nearly impossible to foul, and there's a good chance they'll reach TBO.
>>>>>
>>>>> They're expensive, but IMO they're worth every dollar (or Loonie in your
>>>>> case).
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | WTB 3" Adair Valve extension |
ASC and Vans does not sell them. Does anyone have a piece that you'd like to sell?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471944#471944
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| Subject: | Re: WTB 3" Adair Valve extension |
I have a spare piece, email me with the length you require. I only cut off about
20mm from the supplied extension piece from Andair.
Warm regards
Patrick Pulis
Adelaide, South Australia
> On 18 Aug 2017, at 08:42, whodja <whodja@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> ASC and Vans does not sell them. Does anyone have a piece that you'd like to
sell?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471944#471944
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: WTB 3" Adair Valve extension |
I don't think you can manage with just an extension piece. You need
the connecting joint as well. It comes with the expensive extension.
IIRC I had to order direct from Andair.
-sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:12 PM, whodja <whodja@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ASC and Vans does not sell them. Does anyone have a piece that you'd like to
sell?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471944#471944
>
>
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