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1. 06:41 AM - The old nose wheel shimmy issue (Kelly McMullen)
2. 06:54 AM - Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue (Tim Olson)
3. 06:56 AM - Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue (Phillip Perry)
4. 07:01 AM - Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue (Don McDonald)
5. 07:05 AM - Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue (Kelly McMullen)
6. 07:13 AM - Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue (Tim Olson)
7. 08:06 AM - Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue (Kelly McMullen)
8. 09:05 AM - Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue (kearney)
9. 10:15 AM - Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue (Lenny Iszak)
10. 11:01 AM - Re: Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue (Patrick Pulis)
11. 11:31 AM - Re: Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue (Kelly McMullen)
12. 11:33 AM - Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue (Kelly McMullen)
13. 02:10 PM - How now to get lost .... (kearney)
14. 06:31 PM - Re: How now to get lost .... (Kelly McMullen)
15. 11:24 PM - Re: How now to get lost .... (Dan Charrois)
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| Subject: | The old nose wheel shimmy issue |
Well, mine has gotten noticeable enough to do something about. Of course I
reviewed my archives and Tim's website as refresher.
Taking the cowling off and checking things I found that I could not tighten
the big nut to the next flat, so the amount of pull is irrelevant at the
moment.
Has anyone tried new Belleville washers?
Secondly, I noticed about a 1/4" of up/down play on the nose gear leg,
which I assume is compression of the donuts. (I am at about 130 hours).
Will check today to see if another washer is needed. Yes, I have done the
service bulletin upgrade, and there was no play at the time.
I guess the next step will be to get a wheel balancer and balance the nose
wheel. Then do the mains at annual condition inspection.
Has anyone drilled the bottom of the gear leg to get an intermediate cotter
pin position for the pivot nut?
-sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
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| Subject: | Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue |
I have 2 holes in my gear leg to provide for a little more
adjustment precision. No big deal on that.
Are you 100% sure that the shimmy is nosewheel? I really doubt
it is. Almost everyone who has a shimmy, has it in the
mains, although it FEELS like a nosewheel shimmy. I really
don't find much for issue with the nosewheel at all, other
than making sure you have a good breakout force on the
rotation. And, of course, there is that need to take out the
play of the donuts occasionally. I can't remember how many
I have in there, but at least 2.
Tim
On 12/18/2017 08:40 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> Well, mine has gotten noticeable enough to do something about. Of course
> I reviewed my archives and Tim's website as refresher.
> Taking the cowling off and checking things I found that I could not
> tighten the big nut to the next flat, so the amount of pull is
> irrelevant at the moment.
> Has anyone tried new Belleville washers?
> Secondly, I noticed about a 1/4" of up/down play on the nose gear leg,
> which I assume is compression of the donuts. (I am at about 130 hours).
> Will check today to see if another washer is needed. Yes, I have done
> the service bulletin upgrade, and there was no play at the time.
> I guess the next step will be to get a wheel balancer and balance the
> nose wheel. Then do the mains at annual condition inspection.
> Has anyone drilled the bottom of the gear leg to get an intermediate
> cotter pin position for the pivot nut?
> -sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
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| Subject: | Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue |
I had the same 1/4 vertical play and found the bushing to be the culprit. A little
bit of play in that bushing easily makes a 1/4 out at the wheel.
Vans sells over sized bushings, so I purchased one and found to was too over sized.
My cousin is a machinist, so be sent me a set of snap gauges and I measured it.
Then we turned the oversized bushing down to match the hole with .002 gap.
Its currently sitting in the center console of my truck so I dont have a report
yet. Hopefully in the next few weeks I can have it installed and see if they
addressed the play.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 18, 2017, at 8:40 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, mine has gotten noticeable enough to do something about. Of course I reviewed
my archives and Tim's website as refresher.
> Taking the cowling off and checking things I found that I could not tighten the
big nut to the next flat, so the amount of pull is irrelevant at the moment.
> Has anyone tried new Belleville washers?
> Secondly, I noticed about a 1/4" of up/down play on the nose gear leg, which
I assume is compression of the donuts. (I am at about 130 hours).
> Will check today to see if another washer is needed. Yes, I have done the service
bulletin upgrade, and there was no play at the time.
> I guess the next step will be to get a wheel balancer and balance the nose wheel.
Then do the mains at annual condition inspection.
> Has anyone drilled the bottom of the gear leg to get an intermediate cotter pin
position for the pivot nut?
> -sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
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| Subject: | Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue |
Yes, I have suggested that everyone drill a 2nd hole 30 degrees off from t
he first hole.=C2- This will give you the ability to make the correct adj
ustment without leaving it too loose or too tight.Don McDonald1,000 hours n
ow.
On Monday, December 18, 2017, 8:52:44 AM CST, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@g
mail.com> wrote:
Well, mine has gotten noticeable enough to do something about. Of course I
reviewed my archives and Tim's website as refresher.Taking the cowling off
and checking things I found that I could not tighten the big nut to the ne
xt flat, so the amount of pull is irrelevant at the moment.Has anyone tried
new Belleville washers?Secondly, I noticed about a 1/4" of up/down play on
the nose gear leg, which I assume is compression of the donuts. (I am at a
bout 130 hours).Will check today to see if another washer is needed. Yes, I
have done the service bulletin upgrade, and there was no play at the time.
I guess the next step will be to get a wheel balancer and balance the nose
wheel. Then do the mains at annual condition inspection.Has anyone drilled
the bottom of the gear leg to get an intermediate cotter pin position for t
he pivot nut?
-sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
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| Subject: | Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue |
Thanks Tim. Yes, I had 3 friends observe my taxi in from last flight and
comment on how much the nose wheel was shimmying.
Yes, I have had main gear shimmy in the past. Nose is at lower speed and
higher frequency shimmy.
I'll check with the fish scale, get somewhere around 25-30 lb pull and then
drill new hole.
-sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> I have 2 holes in my gear leg to provide for a little more
> adjustment precision. No big deal on that.
>
> Are you 100% sure that the shimmy is nosewheel? I really doubt
> it is. Almost everyone who has a shimmy, has it in the
> mains, although it FEELS like a nosewheel shimmy. I really
> don't find much for issue with the nosewheel at all, other
> than making sure you have a good breakout force on the
> rotation. And, of course, there is that need to take out the
> play of the donuts occasionally. I can't remember how many
> I have in there, but at least 2.
> Tim
>
>
> On 12/18/2017 08:40 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
>> Well, mine has gotten noticeable enough to do something about. Of course
>> I reviewed my archives and Tim's website as refresher.
>> Taking the cowling off and checking things I found that I could not
>> tighten the big nut to the next flat, so the amount of pull is irrelevant
>> at the moment.
>> Has anyone tried new Belleville washers?
>> Secondly, I noticed about a 1/4" of up/down play on the nose gear leg,
>> which I assume is compression of the donuts. (I am at about 130 hours).
>> Will check today to see if another washer is needed. Yes, I have done the
>> service bulletin upgrade, and there was no play at the time.
>> I guess the next step will be to get a wheel balancer and balance the
>> nose wheel. Then do the mains at annual condition inspection.
>> Has anyone drilled the bottom of the gear leg to get an intermediate
>> cotter pin position for the pivot nut?
>> -sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue |
Interesting. This is the first time I can actually remember anyone
actually having the shimmy be nosewheel related. I guess I'd
do a tire balance then. And while you have it on the balancer,
make sure it's still round perhaps.
Tim
On 12/18/2017 09:04 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> Thanks Tim. Yes, I had 3 friends observe my taxi in from last flight and
> comment on how much the nose wheel was shimmying.
> Yes, I have had main gear shimmy in the past. Nose is at lower speed and
> higher frequency shimmy.
> I'll check with the fish scale, get somewhere around 25-30 lb pull and
> then drill new hole.
>
> -sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
>
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| Subject: | Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue |
I know nosewheel shimmy is common on the two place RV's as AntiSplat
Aero offers a machining to replace wheel bearings with sealed, precision
bearings, Shaving of tread to ensure tire roundness and then spin balancing.
Obviously our design is a bit different with the donuts.
Will try the obvious things and see if that gets rid of it. I think it
was Les commented that his went away after balancing all three wheels.
Hard to tell how much shimmy might transfer between the gear legs.
On 12/18/2017 8:13 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Interesting. This is the first time I can actually remember anyone
> actually having the shimmy be nosewheel related. I guess I'd
> do a tire balance then. And while you have it on the balancer,
> make sure it's still round perhaps.
> Tim
>
>
>
> On 12/18/2017 09:04 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>> Thanks Tim. Yes, I had 3 friends observe my taxi in from last flight
>> and comment on how much the nose wheel was shimmying.
>> Yes, I have had main gear shimmy in the past. Nose is at lower speed
>> and higher frequency shimmy.
>> I'll check with the fish scale, get somewhere around 25-30 lb pull and
>> then drill new hole.
>>
>> -sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue |
Hi
As Kelley noted, I used a motorcycle wheel balanced on all three wheels. It worked
quite well. Of Kate I have noticed that I am getting a shimmy again. WheN
I last had my pants off (wheel!!!) I noticed a lot of crud on the wheels.
I wonder if that has caused an imbalance.
Anyway, I will be doing my annual after Christmas and plan to replace my main tyres
and rebalance everything along with setting nosewheel breakout pressure.
Ill report back after I do this - this will be in lat Jan as I will be away till
then.
Cheers
Les
PS. Merry Christmas to all my RV10 brethren!
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| Subject: | Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue |
At around 300 hours I noticed that my nosewheel tire was way out of round. It was
still the crappy AeroClassic tire that came from Vans. It wasnt worn, but it
was deformed. Something to check.
> On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
>
> I know nosewheel shimmy is common on the two place RV's as AntiSplat Aero offers
a machining to replace wheel bearings with sealed, precision bearings, Shaving
of tread to ensure tire roundness and then spin balancing.
> Obviously our design is a bit different with the donuts.
> Will try the obvious things and see if that gets rid of it. I think it was Les
commented that his went away after balancing all three wheels. Hard to tell
how much shimmy might transfer between the gear legs.
>
> On 12/18/2017 8:13 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>> Interesting. This is the first time I can actually remember anyone
>> actually having the shimmy be nosewheel related. I guess I'd
>> do a tire balance then. And while you have it on the balancer,
>> make sure it's still round perhaps.
>> Tim
>> On 12/18/2017 09:04 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>> Thanks Tim. Yes, I had 3 friends observe my taxi in from last flight and comment
on how much the nose wheel was shimmying.
>>> Yes, I have had main gear shimmy in the past. Nose is at lower speed and higher
frequency shimmy.
>>> I'll check with the fish scale, get somewhere around 25-30 lb pull and then
drill new hole.
>>>
>>> -sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
>>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue |
Les and fellow builders/flyers
I wish you all a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Warm regards from downunder.
Patrick
> On 19 Dec 2017, at 03:34, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
> As Kelley noted, I used a motorcycle wheel balanced on all three wheels. It worked
quite well. Of Kate I have noticed that I am getting a shimmy again. WheN
I last had my pants off (wheel!!!) I noticed a lot of crud on the wheels.
I wonder if that has caused an imbalance.
>
> Anyway, I will be doing my annual after Christmas and plan to replace my main
tyres and rebalance everything along with setting nosewheel breakout pressure.
Ill report back after I do this - this will be in lat Jan as I will be away
till then.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> PS. Merry Christmas to all my RV10 brethren!
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476565#476565
>
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| Subject: | Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue |
Well, a morning of work yielded front nose fork pull was around 15-18
lbs. Adjusted that up to about 28-29 lbs, and drilled new cotter pin
hole. Shock disk tower needed the second spacer. Installed that. There
still is a little play at the firewall bushings, but the play at the
wheel is noticeably better with the extra spacer. Now to finish putting
it back together and try it out. Still have wheel balancing if needed.
On 12/18/2017 10:04 AM, kearney wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> As Kelly noted, I used a motorcycle wheel balanced on all three wheels. It worked
quite well. Of Kate I have noticed that I am getting a shimmy again. WheN
I last had my pants off (wheel!!!) I noticed a lot of crud on the wheels.
I wonder if that has caused an imbalance.
>
> Anyway, I will be doing my annual after Christmas and plan to replace my main
tyres and rebalance everything along with setting nosewheel breakout pressure.
Ill report back after I do this - this will be in lat Jan as I will be away
till then.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> PS. Merry Christmas to all my RV10 brethren!
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476565#476565
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The old nose wheel shimmy issue |
I will check mine, but I never got the AeroClassic. I started off with
Desser recaps, as I have had good luck and wear with them.
-sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Lenny Iszak <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
wrote:
>
> At around 300 hours I noticed that my nosewheel tire was way out of round
.
> It was still the crappy AeroClassic tire that came from Van=99s. It
wasn=99t
> worn, but it was deformed. Something to check.
>
>
> > On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I know nosewheel shimmy is common on the two place RV's as AntiSplat
> Aero offers a machining to replace wheel bearings with sealed, precision
> bearings, Shaving of tread to ensure tire roundness and then spin balanci
ng.
> > Obviously our design is a bit different with the donuts.
> > Will try the obvious things and see if that gets rid of it. I think it
> was Les commented that his went away after balancing all three wheels. Ha
rd
> to tell how much shimmy might transfer between the gear legs.
> >
> > On 12/18/2017 8:13 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
> >> Interesting. This is the first time I can actually remember anyone
> >> actually having the shimmy be nosewheel related. I guess I'd
> >> do a tire balance then. And while you have it on the balancer,
> >> make sure it's still round perhaps.
> >> Tim
> >> On 12/18/2017 09:04 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> >>> Thanks Tim. Yes, I had 3 friends observe my taxi in from last flight
> and comment on how much the nose wheel was shimmying.
> >>> Yes, I have had main gear shimmy in the past. Nose is at lower speed
> and higher frequency shimmy.
> >>> I'll check with the fish scale, get somewhere around 25-30 lb pull an
d
> then drill new hole.
> >>>
> >>> -sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | How now to get lost .... |
Hi
I understand that ELTs have a less than stellar success rate in real world accidents.
That being the case, I am considering the installation of a secondary system
such as a SPIDERTRACKS.
Has anyone had experience with this or a similar locator system?
Inquiring minds need to know.
Merry Christmas
Les
C-GCWZ Flying
C-GROK Some assembly required
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| Subject: | Re: How now to get lost .... |
Les,
Is Canada going to invest in ADS-B at all? with sufficient ground stations,
it works very well for getting track of missing aircraft, down to 1-200 ft
if there is enough coverage. We have achieved significantly better coverage
than we have with radar.
-sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:10 PM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I understand that ELTs have a less than stellar success rate in real world
> accidents. That being the case, I am considering the installation of a
> secondary system such as a SPIDERTRACKS.
>
> Has anyone had experience with this or a similar locator system?
>
> Inquiring minds need to know.
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> Les
> C-GCWZ Flying
> C-GROK Some assembly required
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476583#476583
>
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| Subject: | Re: How now to get lost .... |
I'm a big fan of ADS-B.. not only for radar services, but for SAR.
Canada's investment in ADS-B doesn't seem to be likely in the form of ground stations, at least in the near future. Instead, NavCanada is in a joint venture called Aireon to ultimately use ADS-B receivers on satellites to pick up position information anywhere on the globe (http://www.navcanada.ca/en/products-and-services/pages/on-board-operational-initiatives-ads-b.aspx).
If this ever actually happens, it would be great for finding ADS-B equipped planes
that go missing. A pilot wouldn't have to worry about whether their ELT survives
an accident - SAR could just start searching at the last broadcast ADS-B
position and the plane shouldn't be far from there.
In the meantime, web sites like FlightAware help organize amateur ADS-B "feeder
sites" to their data. A friend of mine operates several such sites as a "hobby"
for a very minimal cost. Over time, coverage is getting better and better
as more amateurs throughout the world join on board. Check their current coverage
map at https://flightaware.com/adsb/coverage There's still lots of gaps
in mountainous regions with low population, but it's pretty good in most areas
with more people. And if Canada ever finalizes the details for global coverage
via satellite it will be a game changer.
Though in a perfect world I'd love it if Canada were to follow the US initiative
to provide traffic and weather via ADS-B In, beggars can't be choosers. I've
had ADS-B out on my plane since the beginning (going to need it soon for flights
into US transponder airspace anyway), and I've always been amazed at how
well my flights have been tracked on FlightAware. I also just installed ADS-B
In a week or so ago.. in Canada, until more and more aircraft support ADS-B
out, it's only a partial solution for traffic since I only see ADS-B Out equipped
aircraft. But something is better than nothing, and in the US I should be
able to receive traffic targets for most aircraft in controlled airspace and
free inflight weather to boot... I'm looking forward to a flight I'm hoping to
do to the US in a week or two to test it out further.
Dan
> On 2017-Dec-18, at 7:31 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Les,
> Is Canada going to invest in ADS-B at all? with sufficient ground stations, it
works very well for getting track of missing aircraft, down to 1-200 ft
> if there is enough coverage. We have achieved significantly better coverage than
we have with radar.
>
> -sent from the I-droid implanted in my forearm
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:10 PM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I understand that ELTs have a less than stellar success rate in real world accidents.
That being the case, I am considering the installation of a secondary
system such as a SPIDERTRACKS.
>
> Has anyone had experience with this or a similar locator system?
>
> Inquiring minds need to know.
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> Les
> C-GCWZ Flying
> C-GROK Some assembly required
>
>
>
>
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