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1. 07:14 AM - SDS injection and ignition, someone with experience on a 10? (Werner Schneider)
2. 09:17 AM - O2 Bottle Mounting (Kearney)
3. 09:19 AM - Re: SDS injection and ignition, someone with experience on a 10? (Kearney)
4. 11:54 AM - Re: O2 Bottle Mounting (Albert)
5. 12:32 PM - Re: O2 Bottle Mounting (Kearney)
6. 02:26 PM - Re: O2 Bottle Mounting (Rene Felker)
7. 03:06 PM - Re: O2 Bottle Mounting (Phillip Perry)
8. 03:39 PM - Re: O2 Bottle Mounting (Bob Turner)
9. 03:46 PM - ADS-B compliance question (Dan Charrois)
10. 04:01 PM - Re: O2 Bottle Mounting (kearney)
11. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: O2 Bottle Mounting (Phillip Perry)
12. 04:14 PM - Re: ADS-B compliance question (Kelly McMullen)
13. 04:18 PM - Re: Re: O2 Bottle Mounting (Kelly McMullen)
14. 04:24 PM - Re: ADS-B compliance question (Bob Leffler)
15. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: O2 Bottle Mounting (Rene Felker)
16. 05:06 PM - Re: ADS-B compliance question (Kelly McMullen)
17. 06:29 PM - Re: O2 Bottle Mounting (kearney)
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| Subject: | SDS injection and ignition, someone with experience on a 10? |
Hello,
I'm looking on probably not using a standard Lycoming IO setup instead
using a core engine with SDS fuel injection and ignition.
Anybody out there who has that setup running since a while and what are
your experience with it.
Thanks for your advice and information.
Cheers Werner
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| Subject: | O2 Bottle Mounting |
Hi
Hi am thinking of placing my oxygen bottle behind the baggage area bulk head. I
am interested in his others have fabbed a mounting support fir the bottle brackets.
Any pix greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Les
C- GROK - some assembly required.
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| Subject: | Re: SDS injection and ignition, someone with experience on |
a 10?
Werner
I will be using an SDS system as well. Although I can help with your immediate
query, I can say Ross who I have known for a few years / he is on my field - provides
truly exceptional support.
If you all him directly he will give you accurate, honest info on his system.
Cheers
Les
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> On Feb 8, 2018, at 8:13 AM, Werner Schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
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> Hello,
>
> I'm looking on probably not using a standard Lycoming IO setup instead using
a core engine with SDS fuel injection and ignition.
>
> Anybody out there who has that setup running since a while and what are your
experience with it.
>
> Thanks for your advice and information.
>
> Cheers Werner
>
>
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| Subject: | O2 Bottle Mounting |
Isn't that going to be inconvenient for refilling and turning on and off?
Were you thinking of making an access door?
Albert Gardner
RV-10 N991RV
YUuma, AZ
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kearney
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 10:17 AM
Subject: RV10-List: O2 Bottle Mounting
Hi
Hi am thinking of placing my oxygen bottle behind the baggage area bulk
head. I am interested in his others have fabbed a mounting support fir the
bottle brackets.
Any pix greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Les
C- GROK - some assembly required.
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| Subject: | Re: O2 Bottle Mounting |
Albert
Tank is semi permanent with a remote filler port. It is not meant to be removed
fir filling. Take a look at the Mountain High 4ip system.
Cheers
Les
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> On Feb 8, 2018, at 12:53 PM, Albert <ibspud@roadrunner.com> wrote:
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> Isn't that going to be inconvenient for refilling and turning on and off?
> Were you thinking of making an access door?
> Albert Gardner
> RV-10 N991RV
> YUuma, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kearney
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 10:17 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: O2 Bottle Mounting
>
>
> Hi
>
> Hi am thinking of placing my oxygen bottle behind the baggage area bulk
> head. I am interested in his others have fabbed a mounting support fir the
> bottle brackets.
>
> Any pix greatly appreciated.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> C- GROK - some assembly required.
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| Subject: | O2 Bottle Mounting |
I mounted mine back there and I am happy with it. I will see if I have any
pictures....
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kearney
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:17 AM
Subject: RV10-List: O2 Bottle Mounting
Hi
Hi am thinking of placing my oxygen bottle behind the baggage area bulk
head. I am interested in his others have fabbed a mounting support fir the
bottle brackets.
Any pix greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Les
C- GROK - some assembly required.
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| Subject: | Re: O2 Bottle Mounting |
I=99m sure I've got some better photos on my laptop, but this is the b
est I=99ve got on my phone from way back when....
Basically used opposing aluminum angle riveted to the flat side of the strin
ger. A .063 plate riveted to those. Couple of large lightening holes in i
t to remove weight. Then the clamps attached to the plate.
Has stayed quite well. You have to be careful to install he bottle with an
air gap between the bottom stringers, so you=99re no let running the s
trikers and bottle together on the bottom.
My fill port is also on the bulkhead just above the baggage door. So you ca
n open the door, kneel down and look up, and find the fill port/gauge.
If you need better photos, let me know. Mine is opened up at the minute and
hope to close it back up in the next day or two.
Phil
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> On Feb 8, 2018, at 4:25 PM, Rene Felker <rene@felker.com> wrote:
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> I mounted mine back there and I am happy with it. I will see if I have any
> pictures....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kearney
> Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:17 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: O2 Bottle Mounting
>
>
> Hi
>
> Hi am thinking of placing my oxygen bottle behind the baggage area bulk
> head. I am interested in his others have fabbed a mounting support fir the
> bottle brackets.
>
> Any pix greatly appreciated.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> C- GROK - some assembly required.
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| Subject: | Re: O2 Bottle Mounting |
Have you looked at the CG? Some builders end up limited by aft cg, not weight,
with a nearly full load.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | ADS-B compliance question |
Hi everyone.
I have a Dynon SV-XPNDR-261 and Garmin GTN650 to meet the US mandate to be ADS-B
out equipped by 2020 (I'm Canadian, so a UAT doesn't make a lot of sense, which
is why I went for 1080ES).
I did a flight to the US about a month ago and recently stumbled across the Public
ADS-B Performance Report Request tool (https://adsbperformance.faa.gov/PAPRRequest.aspx).
So I put in my info to see how my equipment and installation
did.
Generally speaking, it seemed to do well with very few errors, and for the most
part failures for missing elements, integrity, accuracy, etc. were substantially
<1%. However, one element flagged red (the only one flagged red) which was
my Geo Alt. It reported:
% Fail: 3.70%
Max dT: 00:00:21
MCF: 8
First, is the failure percentage accurate? The flight duration was about 2.5 hours
(total reports 15616, processed reports 8320), and from the documentation
I read, max dT is "Total time during flight the message element failed performance
assessment.". 21 seconds out of 2.5 hours isn't 3.7% (more like 0.24%).
And another category on my report (NACp) has a Max dT also of 00:00:21 with
MCF of 2 and does report a %fail of 0.25%.
I presume this happened when my GPS just lost a 3D solution (which of course, all
GPSes do from time to time). Does someone who understands ADS-B compliance
think this may be a cause for concern? I don't want to be flagged as a non-compliant
ADS-B out aircraft.
Thanks for any help any of you can provide!
Dan
---
Dan Charrois
President, Syzygy Research & Technology
Phone: 780-961-2213
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| Subject: | Re: O2 Bottle Mounting |
Hi Rene
I think I understand what you did. If you have additional pix, that would be great.
Cheers
Les
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| Subject: | Re: O2 Bottle Mounting |
No aft CG issues with mine. And I have two pc-680s back there. Bottle is carbon
fiber though...
I do plan to replace the 680s with EarthX batteries next time just to provide a
bit of CG relief.
But on the numbers now, I dont have any issues going out aft....... /w D4A5 and
MT on the front end.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 8, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>
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> Have you looked at the CG? Some builders end up limited by aft cg, not weight,
with a nearly full load.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477960#477960
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B compliance question |
How your transponder performs for altitude will depend on altitude
source. It is supposed to have a barometric source, such as an EFIS or
blind encoder, as well as a GPS altitude source.
I found with my Dynon Skyview that I needed to adjust my ADAHRS reported
altitude down about 40-50 ft to get it spot on. I am using the same
transponder and GPS source as you are and got a clean performance
report. You also need to be certain that your transponder has firmware
2.09 or higher, and your GTN has firmware from within the past couple
years, so that both are set for ADS-B+ communications protocol.
On 2/8/2018 4:43 PM, Dan Charrois wrote:
>
> Hi everyone.
>
> I have a Dynon SV-XPNDR-261 and Garmin GTN650 to meet the US mandate to be ADS-B
out equipped by 2020 (I'm Canadian, so a UAT doesn't make a lot of sense,
which is why I went for 1080ES).
>
> I did a flight to the US about a month ago and recently stumbled across the Public
ADS-B Performance Report Request tool (https://adsbperformance.faa.gov/PAPRRequest.aspx).
So I put in my info to see how my equipment and installation
did.
>
> Generally speaking, it seemed to do well with very few errors, and for the most
part failures for missing elements, integrity, accuracy, etc. were substantially
<1%. However, one element flagged red (the only one flagged red) which
was my Geo Alt. It reported:
>
> % Fail: 3.70%
> Max dT: 00:00:21
> MCF: 8
>
> First, is the failure percentage accurate? The flight duration was about 2.5
hours (total reports 15616, processed reports 8320), and from the documentation
I read, max dT is "Total time during flight the message element failed performance
assessment.". 21 seconds out of 2.5 hours isn't 3.7% (more like 0.24%).
And another category on my report (NACp) has a Max dT also of 00:00:21 with
MCF of 2 and does report a %fail of 0.25%.
>
> I presume this happened when my GPS just lost a 3D solution (which of course,
all GPSes do from time to time). Does someone who understands ADS-B compliance
think this may be a cause for concern? I don't want to be flagged as a non-compliant
ADS-B out aircraft.
>
> Thanks for any help any of you can provide!
>
> Dan
> ---
> Dan Charrois
> President, Syzygy Research & Technology
> Phone: 780-961-2213
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: O2 Bottle Mounting |
The Odyssey 925L is a better match and a lot less costly unless you
absolutely have to have two independent batteries for two electronic
ignitions. ( the 925 series are very close in capacity and weight to the
recommended RG25XC with a lot better cranking) The EarthX are very
attractive, but VERY pricey.
On 2/8/2018 5:06 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>
> No aft CG issues with mine. And I have two pc-680s back there. Bottle is
carbon fiber though...
>
> I do plan to replace the 680s with EarthX batteries next time just to provide
a bit of CG relief.
>
> But on the numbers now, I dont have any issues going out aft....... /w D4A5
and MT on the front end.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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| Subject: | ADS-B compliance question |
A couple questions........
What EFIS do you have? Is it a Skyview or AFS? Your EFIS should be providing
the 261 pressure altitude. GPS altitude is only used as a backup. I believe
that both are transmitted as part of the ADSB out.
I can't tell you how to debug the Skyview, but on the AFS there is the ability
to dump data from the serial ports to an ascii file. It may be tedious, but you
can look through this output and see if there is any issues with the EFIS transmitting
pressure altitude to the 261. I'm sure that you can do something
similar on the Skyview. Unfortunately I don't have that experience.
How close was the nearest ADSB tower? Sometimes there are errors during initial
climb out and on descent. Especially if the ADSB tower is nearby or on the
field. I know that some folks were advised for the ADSB rebates to leave everything
turned off until they hit 3K agl to minimize these errors.
Have you had the 261 certified yet? They should be able to see if there are any
issues with the transponder and its data feeds. Although many shops have older
test rigs.
If these weren't failed as red, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Generate another
PAPR the next time you're In the US.
I have AFS 5500s, GTN650, 261, and a 472. The later two were just installed over
the holidays. I was able to get a clean PAPR on the first flight with them
a couple weeks ago.
Bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Charrois
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: ADS-B compliance question
Hi everyone.
I have a Dynon SV-XPNDR-261 and Garmin GTN650 to meet the US mandate to be ADS-B
out equipped by 2020 (I'm Canadian, so a UAT doesn't make a lot of sense, which
is why I went for 1080ES).
I did a flight to the US about a month ago and recently stumbled across the Public
ADS-B Performance Report Request tool (https://adsbperformance.faa.gov/PAPRRequest.aspx).
So I put in my info to see how my equipment and installation
did.
Generally speaking, it seemed to do well with very few errors, and for the most
part failures for missing elements, integrity, accuracy, etc. were substantially
<1%. However, one element flagged red (the only one flagged red) which was
my Geo Alt. It reported:
% Fail: 3.70%
Max dT: 00:00:21
MCF: 8
First, is the failure percentage accurate? The flight duration was about 2.5 hours
(total reports 15616, processed reports 8320), and from the documentation
I read, max dT is "Total time during flight the message element failed performance
assessment.". 21 seconds out of 2.5 hours isn't 3.7% (more like 0.24%).
And another category on my report (NACp) has a Max dT also of 00:00:21 with
MCF of 2 and does report a %fail of 0.25%.
I presume this happened when my GPS just lost a 3D solution (which of course, all
GPSes do from time to time). Does someone who understands ADS-B compliance
think this may be a cause for concern? I don't want to be flagged as a non-compliant
ADS-B out aircraft.
Thanks for any help any of you can provide!
Dan
---
Dan Charrois
President, Syzygy Research & Technology
Phone: 780-961-2213
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| Subject: | Re: O2 Bottle Mounting |
I have not found any pictures yet. My tanks is mounted on the bulkhead
itself and stays with the bulkhead when the bulkhead is removed. I also
installed a fill port on the bulkhead.....so easy top offs. I have a
Mountain High system so I do not service the tank often.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kearney
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 5:01 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: O2 Bottle Mounting
Hi Rene
I think I understand what you did. If you have additional pix, that would be
great.
Cheers
Les
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B compliance question |
The Skyview under setup(ADAHRS section IIRC) lets you input an altitude
offset, so that you can ensure that the static system reading matches
the calibrated test set for pressure altitude. That eliminates any
errors from rounding in reported altimeter settings at the local field.
As I said, I wound up using an offset of about 50 ft, but had gotten a
report before I had the static system IFR certified, and everything passed.
On 2/8/2018 5:23 PM, Bob Leffler wrote:
>
> A couple questions........
>
> What EFIS do you have? Is it a Skyview or AFS? Your EFIS should be providing
the 261 pressure altitude. GPS altitude is only used as a backup. I believe
that both are transmitted as part of the ADSB out.
>
> I can't tell you how to debug the Skyview, but on the AFS there is the ability
to dump data from the serial ports to an ascii file. It may be tedious, but
you can look through this output and see if there is any issues with the EFIS
transmitting pressure altitude to the 261. I'm sure that you can do something
similar on the Skyview. Unfortunately I don't have that experience.
>
> How close was the nearest ADSB tower? Sometimes there are errors during initial
climb out and on descent. Especially if the ADSB tower is nearby or on the
field. I know that some folks were advised for the ADSB rebates to leave everything
turned off until they hit 3K agl to minimize these errors.
>
> Have you had the 261 certified yet? They should be able to see if there are
any issues with the transponder and its data feeds. Although many shops have
older test rigs.
>
> If these weren't failed as red, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Generate
another PAPR the next time you're In the US.
>
> I have AFS 5500s, GTN650, 261, and a 472. The later two were just installed
over the holidays. I was able to get a clean PAPR on the first flight with them
a couple weeks ago.
>
> Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Charrois
> Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 6:44 PM
> To: RV10-List Digest Server <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: ADS-B compliance question
>
>
> Hi everyone.
>
> I have a Dynon SV-XPNDR-261 and Garmin GTN650 to meet the US mandate to be ADS-B
out equipped by 2020 (I'm Canadian, so a UAT doesn't make a lot of sense,
which is why I went for 1080ES).
>
> I did a flight to the US about a month ago and recently stumbled across the Public
ADS-B Performance Report Request tool (https://adsbperformance.faa.gov/PAPRRequest.aspx).
So I put in my info to see how my equipment and installation
did.
>
> Generally speaking, it seemed to do well with very few errors, and for the most
part failures for missing elements, integrity, accuracy, etc. were substantially
<1%. However, one element flagged red (the only one flagged red) which
was my Geo Alt. It reported:
>
> % Fail: 3.70%
> Max dT: 00:00:21
> MCF: 8
>
> First, is the failure percentage accurate? The flight duration was about 2.5
hours (total reports 15616, processed reports 8320), and from the documentation
I read, max dT is "Total time during flight the message element failed performance
assessment.". 21 seconds out of 2.5 hours isn't 3.7% (more like 0.24%).
And another category on my report (NACp) has a Max dT also of 00:00:21 with
MCF of 2 and does report a %fail of 0.25%.
>
> I presume this happened when my GPS just lost a 3D solution (which of course,
all GPSes do from time to time). Does someone who understands ADS-B compliance
think this may be a cause for concern? I don't want to be flagged as a non-compliant
ADS-B out aircraft.
>
> Thanks for any help any of you can provide!
>
> Dan
> ---
> Dan Charrois
> President, Syzygy Research & Technology
> Phone: 780-961-2213
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: O2 Bottle Mounting |
Hi Phil
Thanks for the info.
Any additional pix you may have would be most helpful.
Cheers
Les
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