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1. 07:43 AM - Re: RG-400 Coax (kearney)
2. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: RG-400 Coax (Phillip Perry)
3. 07:53 AM - Re: RG-400 Coax (Stein Bruch)
4. 08:03 AM - Mouttain High )2 System Distribution Head Location (kearney)
5. 08:49 AM - Re: Mouttain High )2 System Distribution Head Location (Phillip Perry)
6. 09:13 AM - Re: Mouttain High )2 System Distribution Head Location (kearney)
7. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: Mouttain High )2 System Distribution Head Location (Phillip Perry)
8. 09:22 AM - Re: RG-400 Coax (Tim Olson)
9. 01:32 PM - Re: RG-400 Coax (Kelly McMullen)
10. 02:15 PM - Re: RG-400 Coax (kearney)
11. 04:49 PM - Sun and Fun (John Baer)
12. 04:56 PM - Re: Sun and Fun (Tom Ganster)
13. 05:04 PM - Re: Sun and Fun (John Baer)
14. 05:09 PM - Re: Sun and Fun (Brian Lester)
15. 05:20 PM - Re: Sun and Fun (Jesse Saint)
16. 05:20 PM - Re: Sun and Fun (Jesse Saint)
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Hi Kelley
If I use a silicone based primer on my COAX cable will the electrons flow faster?
Inquiring minds really, really need to know.
Les [Idea]
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I primed the inside of my coax. No problems noted. Fairly tedious task but
worth the effort.
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> On Apr 9, 2018, at 9:43 AM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
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> Hi Kelley
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> If I use a silicone based primer on my COAX cable will the electrons flow faster?
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> Inquiring minds really, really need to know.
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> Les [Idea]
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Without getting into the argument on technicalities or superiorities of one
over the other, I'll just provide my 2 cents on the import vs domestic.
I've seen quite a bit of domestic as well as import wire, and like many
things that get imported what you see (or is advertised) is not always what
you get. We've seen some copycat "RG" (various spec's and types) that is a
pretty good knockoff, until you realize the plating on the wire strands is
tin (or even less) vs. true silver plated copper for domestically produced
mil spec. Speaking of copper, some of the conductors I've seen are just some
version of aluminum or pot metal, cleverly disguised. I've seen some that
corrodes badly/quickly, some that was laughable and some that was passable.
I'm always amazed at how much work some of the import companies will go
through to copy something so closely, only to produce garbage (that looks
good).
Now I'm certainly not saying all import or surplus wire is that way - I've
seen some that is pretty good....but when you see it for ridiculously low
prices (below what someone could manufacture it for using the raw materials
that it's made out of) it's often true of the old mantra "if it sounds like
a duck and looks like a duck"...and speaking of surplus, I have seen quite a
bit of water/hurricane damaged wire with internal corrosion. Looks good on
the outside, not so much on the inside where the water has wicked up into
the wire. Again, not all surplus is a bad thing. Some is simply
surplus...but a good deal of it is someone passing of junk - literally.
This is true whether it be 400, 58, tefzel wire, and a lot of other things
(as we all know from experience).
In some (not all) cases, you may have just stepped over a dollar to pick up
a dime.
Just my 2 cents as usual!
Cheers,
Stein
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<owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of kearney
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 5:48 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RG-400 Coax
Hi
I am about to but 100' of RG-400 and see that I can but it from AMAZON for
about 2/3 of what the Spruce cost would be.
My question is if all RG-400 is created equal of if I run a quality risk
buying from AMAZON versus ACS. RG-400 is even cheaper on EBAY (from China).
Inquiring minds need to know.....
Cheers
Les
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| Subject: | Mouttain High )2 System Distribution Head Location |
Hi
I need to find reasonable locations for the distribution heads for my Mountain
High O2 system.
I am thinking of installing them in my Aerosport overhead console. For the front
seat positions, the best location seems to be the large access panel - this
is easy. The rear positions also can fit in the overhead console but the best
spot is behind the rear access panel. In this location I can't figure out how
to do the install.
I am also using an Aerosport center console and have thought about putting the
controllers on the front and back. These locations would work except I plan to
put the headphone jacks etc in these locations.
Given all that I have two questions.
1. For those who have installed in the overhead console, are you happy with this
location and if not why not. Pix of how the install worked would be great.
2. For those who installed elsewhere, I'd be interested in seeing pix of the location
and comments on the location.
Cheers
Les
C-GCWZ - Flying
C-GROK - Some assembly required
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| Subject: | Re: Mouttain High )2 System Distribution Head Location |
I put mine in the center console and I regret it every time I fly....
Finding another location is something I'd like to do at some point in the
future.
My thought process was to put the headsets, oxygen outlets, and misc cables
(USB, Cigarette lighter, etc) near the center point of the cabin. It would
serve as the distribution point to all 4 seats and the cables/hoses would
not be a factor when exiting the airplane.
What I can tell you is that it's a nightmare to pull the console to
inspect/service the tunnel. It's a nightmare to get the cables/hoses
re-installed in a consistent enough fashion where the interior bin will sit
down flush and where the rudder cables won't rub against them. I really
regret putting anything in my center console. I should have left it naked
and when on finding a different spot. I constantly have mess of
cables/hoses to fight through. I've also found that with that many
wires/hoses in the box, things (wires and hoses) get pressed into position
and it binds them. I currently have an electrical gremlin in my pilot
outlet that I need to trace. I am 100% sure it's a connector issue but
when you can't permanently mount the wires and forget about them, things
like connector problems happen. That area is just too dynamic from
maintenance period to maintenance period to expect everything to be
rock-solid all the time.
If you do decide to install in the center console, I've attached some
pictures. The factory backing plates on the outlets were too wide to allow
side-by-side installation of the outlets in the width of the console. So
I had to remove them and build a single backing plate that allowed me to
squeeze the two outlets closer together. Worked well.
The overhead air console is probably a good choice, but I know MH wants you
to mount them in a place that has static cabin pressure. I know the sensor
is on the face of the outlet, but I still think it would be a good idea to
build a receptacle box in the overhead to hold them, then seal that box
with proseal so it won't be subject to the positive pressures inside the
overhead console. That's something I'm still considering as I'm not real
happy with my center console setup. I just have too many wires and not
enough space. Good luck!
Phil
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:03 AM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I need to find reasonable locations for the distribution heads for my
> Mountain High O2 system.
>
> I am thinking of installing them in my Aerosport overhead console. For the
> front seat positions, the best location seems to be the large access panel
> - this is easy. The rear positions also can fit in the overhead console
> but the best spot is behind the rear access panel. In this location I can't
> figure out how to do the install.
>
> I am also using an Aerosport center console and have thought about putting
> the controllers on the front and back. These locations would work except I
> plan to put the headphone jacks etc in these locations.
>
> Given all that I have two questions.
>
> 1. For those who have installed in the overhead console, are you happy
> with this location and if not why not. Pix of how the install worked would
> be great.
>
> 2. For those who installed elsewhere, I'd be interested in seeing pix of
> the location and comments on the location.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> C-GCWZ - Flying
> C-GROK - Some assembly required
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479197#479197
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mouttain High )2 System Distribution Head Location |
Hi Phil
Thanks for the pix and insights. In my flying -10, I did much the same thing except
I have a flange mounted CPC on the tunnel cover under the consol. To remove
the consol, I simply unscrew the CPC and the whole thing comes off as a unit.
I do have O2 ports on the front of consol as well except these are strictly outlets
(no electronic heads) as they predate the new MHS system. I only have a single
quick disconnect on a supply line to break.
I plan to do the same thing again on the center consol using a single CPC. I don't
want to put O2 on the console this time due to the additional wiring and connections
associated with the distribution head. Also, I like the real estate
for jacks etc.
Based on you comments I'll find a different home for the O2 distribution heads.
Lastly, my airplane builder fluid looks equally dark but generally says Guinness
and comes in a can.
Cheers
Les
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| Subject: | Re: Mouttain High )2 System Distribution Head Location |
If you look closely, I used a CPC too. No way Id try it without the CPC. Just
too many wires to my use one.
Phil
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> On Apr 9, 2018, at 11:13 AM, kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Phil
>
> Thanks for the pix and insights. In my flying -10, I did much the same thing
except I have a flange mounted CPC on the tunnel cover under the consol. To remove
the consol, I simply unscrew the CPC and the whole thing comes off as a unit.
>
> I do have O2 ports on the front of consol as well except these are strictly outlets
(no electronic heads) as they predate the new MHS system. I only have a
single quick disconnect on a supply line to break.
>
> I plan to do the same thing again on the center consol using a single CPC. I
don't want to put O2 on the console this time due to the additional wiring and
connections associated with the distribution head. Also, I like the real estate
for jacks etc.
>
> Based on you comments I'll find a different home for the O2 distribution heads.
>
> Lastly, my airplane builder fluid looks equally dark but generally says Guinness
and comes in a can.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479202#479202
>
>
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One thing to add to Stein's comments.
I've seen RG400 shipped with some good gooey glue put over the ends
specifically to prevent internal corrosion. You probably want to
make sure you buy from a good vendor who doesn't just have
their cable stored in a damp environment that would wreck the
cabling. Obviously that moisture is a problem.
One other thing regarding 100' vs shorter. You may want to compare
the 100' price vs just buying what you need. I'm not sure which
would be the best price. But, RG400 is probably one of the easiest
types of wire to estimate cost for in your plane before you buy
it, since it's not used in as many circuits and you only use one
strand at a time. So you can just estimate what you need and add
a few feet and it may save you money buying NOT in bulk.
Depends.
And, as I'm not afraid to jump into the 400 vs other discussion,
my opinion is I'd rather buy one type of wire and have it be the
best wire I can build than buy 2 types. I don't have anything
but RG400 in my planes. When the plane costs $100K+, saving
a few dollars on wire isn't my goal. My goal is having an airplane
in the end that is superior to what I would get if I bought most
other airplanes.
Tim
On 04/09/2018 09:53 AM, Stein Bruch wrote:
>
> Without getting into the argument on technicalities or superiorities of one
> over the other, I'll just provide my 2 cents on the import vs domestic.
>
> I've seen quite a bit of domestic as well as import wire, and like many
> things that get imported what you see (or is advertised) is not always what
> you get. We've seen some copycat "RG" (various spec's and types) that is a
> pretty good knockoff, until you realize the plating on the wire strands is
> tin (or even less) vs. true silver plated copper for domestically produced
> mil spec. Speaking of copper, some of the conductors I've seen are just some
> version of aluminum or pot metal, cleverly disguised. I've seen some that
> corrodes badly/quickly, some that was laughable and some that was passable.
> I'm always amazed at how much work some of the import companies will go
> through to copy something so closely, only to produce garbage (that looks
> good).
>
> Now I'm certainly not saying all import or surplus wire is that way - I've
> seen some that is pretty good....but when you see it for ridiculously low
> prices (below what someone could manufacture it for using the raw materials
> that it's made out of) it's often true of the old mantra "if it sounds like
> a duck and looks like a duck"...and speaking of surplus, I have seen quite a
> bit of water/hurricane damaged wire with internal corrosion. Looks good on
> the outside, not so much on the inside where the water has wicked up into
> the wire. Again, not all surplus is a bad thing. Some is simply
> surplus...but a good deal of it is someone passing of junk - literally.
> This is true whether it be 400, 58, tefzel wire, and a lot of other things
> (as we all know from experience).
>
> In some (not all) cases, you may have just stepped over a dollar to pick up
> a dime.
>
> Just my 2 cents as usual!
>
> Cheers,
> Stein
>
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Interesting that this discussion struck such a nerve. We all have choice,
within some limits.
I intended more what is "required" vs can we do better than the minimum.
Choice based on what you already have or don't have.
What do your EAA chapter members have left over from their project?
Just like we can mount a turbo-charger if we want, although Van's
recommends against it.
We can do magnetos or all variety of electronic ignitions. We see the
benefits...probably.
Will it make enough difference to "justify" the cost? Depends on who does
the accounting with what assumptions.
We can put in high compression pistons and cold-air induction and port,
polish and flow match the cylinders.
All discernible changes...but do they make a big difference in the utility
of the plane...all in the eye of the beholder.
Whatever choices made will make it the best amateur built aircraft for you.
Sent from my IBM-360 main frame
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
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> And, as I'm not afraid to jump into the 400 vs other discussion,
> my opinion is I'd rather buy one type of wire and have it be the
> best wire I can build than buy 2 types. I don't have anything
> but RG400 in my planes. When the plane costs $100K+, saving
> a few dollars on wire isn't my goal. My goal is having an airplane
> in the end that is superior to what I would get if I bought most
> other airplanes.
>
> Tim
>
>
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Hi Kelley
Here is a little thread drift.
In two weeks I will be going to "builder school" at AeroSport located in Kamloops
BC. They will be building (with my *ahem* able assistance) a brand spanking
new IO-540 from a Lycoming engine kit.
This brings me to your list of *enhancements* and what I am installing.
- Turbo nope (although the itch is still there)
- Electronic Ignition - SDS EI/EFI check
- 8.5:1 compression pistons - check
- Port & polish - check
- Cold air induction - check
My flying -10 has the same setup except that it has mags. It dyno'd out at 287
HP (it was from Barrett Precision Engines). The extra HP is very nice to have
when flying out of a high DA airport.
It is just too much fun going over to the dark side.
Cheers
Les
PS: Barret Engines are great folks and I would have bought another engine from
them except the Aerosport option was just too attractive to pass up.
I also have great respect for SDS and Ross Farnham. For those interested, his EI/EFI
system is a piece of art.
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Any RV-10 list members going to be at Sun and Fun?
John
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I am here.
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> On Apr 9, 2018, at 7:48 PM, John Baer <JBaer@LititzPP.com> wrote:
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> Any RV-10 list members going to be at Sun and Fun?
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How is it? Is there a place where you can just go and check out all the private
planes that fly in for the day or week, or are they in a restricted area?
John
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of taganster@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Apr 9, 2018, at 7:48 PM, John Baer <JBaer@LititzPP.com> wrote:
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Im here all week.
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Saint Aviation, Inc.
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C: 352-427-0285
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You can walk around and look at every plane here.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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> On Apr 9, 2018, at 8:04 PM, John Baer <jbaer@LititzPP.com> wrote:
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> How is it? Is there a place where you can just go and check out all the private
planes that fly in for the day or week, or are they in a restricted area?
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> John
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>> On 4/9/18, 7:54 PM, "Tom Ganster" <owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf
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>> I am here.
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>>> On Apr 9, 2018, at 7:48 PM, John Baer <JBaer@LititzPP.com> wrote:
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>>> Any RV-10 list members going to be at Sun and Fun?
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