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1. 02:44 AM - Re: Ignition Cable Question (Bob Leffler)
2. 03:36 AM - Re: Ignition Cable Question (Neil Corella)
3. 05:02 AM - Re: Ignition Cable Question (Bob Leffler)
4. 05:54 AM - Re: Ignition Cable Question (Neil Corella)
5. 06:31 AM - Re: Ignition Cable Question (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition Cable Question |
Here's a summary of what I discovered over the last couple of days.
Several people responded about just replacing the connector fittings at the
end of the ignition cable. I also got a response from Joe Logie at Champ
ion. His response was:
Just the plug end needs replacement M6203 5/8-24 Spark Plug Hardware Kit, a
ttached is my L-1499 showing how to do it and the required T-200 tool kit u
sage.
So just a $27 kit from Spruce to make the repair. However, you do need the
$289 toolkit to perform the repair. This is the route I went. I figured
the odds of this happening again justified the tool purchase. Plus it's st
ill the least expensive option.
Purchasing just a single replacement lead ( plus the tool ) cost as much as
a half harness.
Nobody stocks the half harnesses and the lead time is thirty days, which co
sts $420.
I found a couple places that stocked the full harnesses. QAA was the least
expensive that I found for a Champion harness, which was $620. QAA also s
ells Aero-Lite harnesses which are about $420. I found out from QAA that
Aero-Lite harnesses are no longer in production and when their stock runs o
ut, that's it.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@matronic
s.com> on behalf of Bob Leffler <bob@thelefflers.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:12:52 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question
One of the nuts on an ignition lead became gulled.
Is it possible just to replace the nut? Or do you have to replace the ent
ire lead?
I saw Tim's post from a couple years ago.
It looks like buying the replacement lead, the tookit, and all the other pa
rts cost about 80% of replacing both harnesses with new.
Thanks,
bob
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition Cable Question |
Bob. You must be a tool guy. That=99s 10 end replacements from a a@p w
ho has the tools. But good info you send out. Thanks Neil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 3, 2018, at 5:40 AM, Bob Leffler <bob@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> Here=99s a summary of what I discovered over the last couple of days
.
>
> Several people responded about just replacing the connector fittings at th
e end of the ignition cable. I also got a response from Joe Logie at Champ
ion. His response was:
>
> Just the plug end needs replacement M6203 5/8-24 Spark Plug Hardware Kit, a
ttached is my L-1499 showing how to do it and the required T-200 tool kit us
age.
>
> So just a $27 kit from Spruce to make the repair. However, you do need th
e $289 toolkit to perform the repair. This is the route I went. I figured t
he odds of this happening again justified the tool purchase. Plus it=99
s still the least expensive option.
>
> Purchasing just a single replacement lead ( plus the tool ) cost as much a
s a half harness.
>
> Nobody stocks the half harnesses and the lead time is thirty days, which c
osts $420.
>
> I found a couple places that stocked the full harnesses. QAA was the leas
t expensive that I found for a Champion harness, which was $620. QAA also s
ells Aero-Lite harnesses which are about $420. I found out from QAA that A
ero-Lite harnesses are no longer in production and when their stock runs out
, that=99s it.
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
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> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@matroni
cs.com> on behalf of Bob Leffler <bob@thelefflers.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:12:52 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question
>
>
> One of the nuts on an ignition lead became gulled.
>
> Is it possible just to replace the nut? Or do you have to replace the en
tire lead?
>
> I saw Tim's post from a couple years ago.
>
> It looks like buying the replacement lead, the tookit, and all the other p
arts cost about 80% of replacing both harnesses with new.
>
> Thanks,
>
> bob
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition Cable Question |
That and there=92s not an A&P on the field that I trust to do electrical wo
rk. The local shop is actually being evicted at the end of the year, so th
ere is a huge void at the moment. The airport won=92t let independents wor
k unless they carry insurance with the airport as a co-insured.
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s.com> on behalf of Neil Corella <neilekins@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 6:34:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question
Bob. You must be a tool guy. That=92s 10 end replacements from a a@p who h
as the tools. But good info you send out. Thanks Neil
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 3, 2018, at 5:40 AM, Bob Leffler <bob@thelefflers.com<mailto:bob@the
lefflers.com>> wrote:
Here=92s a summary of what I discovered over the last couple of days.
Several people responded about just replacing the connector fittings at the
end of the ignition cable. I also got a response from Joe Logie at Champ
ion. His response was:
Just the plug end needs replacement M6203 5/8-24 Spark Plug Hardware Kit, a
ttached is my L-1499 showing how to do it and the required T-200 tool kit u
sage.
So just a $27 kit from Spruce to make the repair. However, you do need the
$289 toolkit to perform the repair. This is the route I went. I figured
the odds of this happening again justified the tool purchase. Plus it=92s
still the least expensive option.
Purchasing just a single replacement lead ( plus the tool ) cost as much as
a half harness.
Nobody stocks the half harnesses and the lead time is thirty days, which co
sts $420.
I found a couple places that stocked the full harnesses. QAA was the least
expensive that I found for a Champion harness, which was $620. QAA also s
ells Aero-Lite harnesses which are about $420. I found out from QAA that
Aero-Lite harnesses are no longer in production and when their stock runs o
ut, that=92s it.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma
tronics.com> <owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-s
erver@matronics.com>> on behalf of Bob Leffler <bob@thelefflers.com<mailto:
bob@thelefflers.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:12:52 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question
b@thelefflers.com>>
One of the nuts on an ignition lead became gulled.
Is it possible just to replace the nut? Or do you have to replace the ent
ire lead?
I saw Tim's post from a couple years ago.
It looks like buying the replacement lead, the tookit, and all the other pa
rts cost about 80% of replacing both harnesses with new.
Thanks,
bob
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition Cable Question |
Yes. That=99s a problem.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 3, 2018, at 8:00 AM, Bob Leffler <bob@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> That and there=99s not an A&P on the field that I trust to do electr
ical work. The local shop is actually being evicted at the end of the year,
so there is a huge void at the moment. The airport won=99t let indep
endents work unless they carry insurance with the airport as a co-insured.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
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> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@matroni
cs.com> on behalf of Neil Corella <neilekins@aol.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 6:34:27 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question
>
> Bob. You must be a tool guy. That=99s 10 end replacements from a a@
p who has the tools. But good info you send out. Thanks Neil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 3, 2018, at 5:40 AM, Bob Leffler <bob@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
>> Here=99s a summary of what I discovered over the last couple of day
s.
>>
>> Several people responded about just replacing the connector fittings at t
he end of the ignition cable. I also got a response from Joe Logie at Cham
pion. His response was:
>>
>> Just the plug end needs replacement M6203 5/8-24 Spark Plug Hardware Kit,
attached is my L-1499 showing how to do it and the required T-200 tool kit u
sage.
>>
>> So just a $27 kit from Spruce to make the repair. However, you do need t
he $289 toolkit to perform the repair. This is the route I went. I figured
the odds of this happening again justified the tool purchase. Plus it
=99s still the least expensive option.
>>
>> Purchasing just a single replacement lead ( plus the tool ) cost as much a
s a half harness.
>>
>> Nobody stocks the half harnesses and the lead time is thirty days, which c
osts $420.
>>
>> I found a couple places that stocked the full harnesses. QAA was the lea
st expensive that I found for a Champion harness, which was $620. QAA also s
ells Aero-Lite harnesses which are about $420. I found out from QAA that A
ero-Lite harnesses are no longer in production and when their stock runs out
, that=99s it.
>>
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@matron
ics.com> on behalf of Bob Leffler <bob@thelefflers.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:12:52 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question
>>
>>
>> One of the nuts on an ignition lead became gulled.
>>
>> Is it possible just to replace the nut? Or do you have to replace the e
ntire lead?
>>
>> I saw Tim's post from a couple years ago.
>>
>> It looks like buying the replacement lead, the tookit, and all the other p
arts cost about 80% of replacing both harnesses with new.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> bob
>>
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>>
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| Subject: | Re: Ignition Cable Question |
Good research Bob. I haven't bought a complete harness in
awhile...obviously prices have multiplied a few orders of magnitude.
While most airports prevent mechanics from working independently without
insurance, most do allow you as the owner to bring your own mechanic to
your plane and supervise said mechanic. Even better is when no money
changes hands on the airport.
I only "help" friends on the airport, mostly "supervising" if they need an
A&P signature, or helping them as needed. I don't charge them, but they
occasionally "help" me with the check at local greasy spoon.
Maintenance on grant assurance airports gets fairly tricky. The airport
can't restrict independents to any greater degree than whatever shop
requirements are.
Most I have seen, the shop capacity for repairs/inspections equals 10-20
percent of what is needed to keep based aircraft flying. The rest get fixed
and signed off some how...probably by "hangar fairies and elves" or at
other airports.
Mechanic insurance is a figment of airport administrator's imagination.
Over 15 years ago I was quoted $12,000/yr as an IA for $1M. Most airport
documents call for $2M. If I were to do 100 annuals a year, I would have to
add $120 per plane just to come out even. 100 annuals is essentially
working full time, doing nothing else. I have no idea what the rates are
today. I like working on planes, but at age 70, I am not going to bust my
butt to do 100 annuals a year. Most IAs I know work uninsured, risking all
their assets. Good thing most of this crowd can do their own work in the
OBAM category.
Sent from my IBM-360 main frame
On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 5:00 AM, Bob Leffler <bob@thelefflers.com> wrote:
> That and there=99s not an A&P on the field that I trust to do elect
rical
> work. The local shop is actually being evicted at the end of the year, s
o
> there is a huge void at the moment. The airport won=99t let indepe
ndents
> work unless they carry insurance with the airport as a co-insured.
>
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> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@
> matronics.com> on behalf of Neil Corella <neilekins@aol.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 3, 2018 6:34:27 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question
>
> Bob. You must be a tool guy. That=99s 10 end replacements from a a
@p who
> has the tools. But good info you send out. Thanks Neil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 3, 2018, at 5:40 AM, Bob Leffler <bob@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> Here=99s a summary of what I discovered over the last couple of day
s.
>
> Several people responded about just replacing the connector fittings at
> the end of the ignition cable. I also got a response from Joe Logie at
> Champion. His response was:
>
> Just the plug end needs replacement M6203 5/8-24 Spark Plug Hardware Kit,
> attached is my L-1499 showing how to do it and the required T-200 tool ki
t
> usage.
>
> So just a $27 kit from Spruce to make the repair. However, you do need
> the $289 toolkit to perform the repair. This is the route I went. I
> figured the odds of this happening again justified the tool purchase. Pl
us
> it=99s still the least expensive option.
>
> Purchasing just a single replacement lead ( plus the tool ) cost as much
> as a half harness.
>
> Nobody stocks the half harnesses and the lead time is thirty days, which
> costs $420.
>
> I found a couple places that stocked the full harnesses. QAA was the
> least expensive that I found for a Champion harness, which was $620. QAA
> also sells Aero-Lite harnesses which are about $420. I found out from Q
AA
> that Aero-Lite harnesses are no longer in production and when their stock
> runs out, that=99s it.
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@
> matronics.com> on behalf of Bob Leffler <bob@thelefflers.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:12:52 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question
>
>
> One of the nuts on an ignition lead became gulled.
>
> Is it possible just to replace the nut? Or do you have to replace the
> entire lead?
>
> I saw Tim's post from a couple years ago.
>
> It looks like buying the replacement lead, the tookit, and all the other
> parts cost about 80% of replacing both harnesses with new.
>
> Thanks,
>
> bob
>
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