---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/03/18: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:44 AM - Re: Ignition Cable Question (Bob Leffler) 2. 03:36 AM - Re: Ignition Cable Question (Neil Corella) 3. 05:02 AM - Re: Ignition Cable Question (Bob Leffler) 4. 05:54 AM - Re: Ignition Cable Question (Neil Corella) 5. 06:31 AM - Re: Ignition Cable Question (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:15 AM PST US From: Bob Leffler Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question Here's a summary of what I discovered over the last couple of days. Several people responded about just replacing the connector fittings at the end of the ignition cable. I also got a response from Joe Logie at Champ ion. His response was: Just the plug end needs replacement M6203 5/8-24 Spark Plug Hardware Kit, a ttached is my L-1499 showing how to do it and the required T-200 tool kit u sage. So just a $27 kit from Spruce to make the repair. However, you do need the $289 toolkit to perform the repair. This is the route I went. I figured the odds of this happening again justified the tool purchase. Plus it's st ill the least expensive option. Purchasing just a single replacement lead ( plus the tool ) cost as much as a half harness. Nobody stocks the half harnesses and the lead time is thirty days, which co sts $420. I found a couple places that stocked the full harnesses. QAA was the least expensive that I found for a Champion harness, which was $620. QAA also s ells Aero-Lite harnesses which are about $420. I found out from QAA that Aero-Lite harnesses are no longer in production and when their stock runs o ut, that's it. Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Bob Leffler Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:12:52 PM Subject: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question One of the nuts on an ignition lead became gulled. Is it possible just to replace the nut? Or do you have to replace the ent ire lead? I saw Tim's post from a couple years ago. It looks like buying the replacement lead, the tookit, and all the other pa rts cost about 80% of replacing both harnesses with new. Thanks, bob ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:25 AM PST US From: Neil Corella Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question Bob. You must be a tool guy. That=99s 10 end replacements from a a@p w ho has the tools. But good info you send out. Thanks Neil Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 3, 2018, at 5:40 AM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > Here=99s a summary of what I discovered over the last couple of days .. > > Several people responded about just replacing the connector fittings at th e end of the ignition cable. I also got a response from Joe Logie at Champ ion. His response was: > > Just the plug end needs replacement M6203 5/8-24 Spark Plug Hardware Kit, a ttached is my L-1499 showing how to do it and the required T-200 tool kit us age. > > So just a $27 kit from Spruce to make the repair. However, you do need th e $289 toolkit to perform the repair. This is the route I went. I figured t he odds of this happening again justified the tool purchase. Plus it=99 s still the least expensive option. > > Purchasing just a single replacement lead ( plus the tool ) cost as much a s a half harness. > > Nobody stocks the half harnesses and the lead time is thirty days, which c osts $420. > > I found a couple places that stocked the full harnesses. QAA was the leas t expensive that I found for a Champion harness, which was $620. QAA also s ells Aero-Lite harnesses which are about $420. I found out from QAA that A ero-Lite harnesses are no longer in production and when their stock runs out , that=99s it. > > > Get Outlook for iOS > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Bob Leffler > Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:12:52 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question > > > One of the nuts on an ignition lead became gulled. > > Is it possible just to replace the nut? Or do you have to replace the en tire lead? > > I saw Tim's post from a couple years ago. > > It looks like buying the replacement lead, the tookit, and all the other p arts cost about 80% of replacing both harnesses with new. > > Thanks, > > bob > > ========== > Email Forum - > -List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > p; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > ums.matronics.com > ========== > p; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - > matronics.com > ========== > p; - List Contribution Web Site - > p; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:03 AM PST US From: Bob Leffler Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question That and there=92s not an A&P on the field that I trust to do electrical wo rk. The local shop is actually being evicted at the end of the year, so th ere is a huge void at the moment. The airport won=92t let independents wor k unless they carry insurance with the airport as a co-insured. Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Neil Corella Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 6:34:27 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question Bob. You must be a tool guy. That=92s 10 end replacements from a a@p who h as the tools. But good info you send out. Thanks Neil Sent from my iPhone On Aug 3, 2018, at 5:40 AM, Bob Leffler > wrote: Here=92s a summary of what I discovered over the last couple of days. Several people responded about just replacing the connector fittings at the end of the ignition cable. I also got a response from Joe Logie at Champ ion. His response was: Just the plug end needs replacement M6203 5/8-24 Spark Plug Hardware Kit, a ttached is my L-1499 showing how to do it and the required T-200 tool kit u sage. So just a $27 kit from Spruce to make the repair. However, you do need the $289 toolkit to perform the repair. This is the route I went. I figured the odds of this happening again justified the tool purchase. Plus it=92s still the least expensive option. Purchasing just a single replacement lead ( plus the tool ) cost as much as a half harness. Nobody stocks the half harnesses and the lead time is thirty days, which co sts $420. I found a couple places that stocked the full harnesses. QAA was the least expensive that I found for a Champion harness, which was $620. QAA also s ells Aero-Lite harnesses which are about $420. I found out from QAA that Aero-Lite harnesses are no longer in production and when their stock runs o ut, that=92s it. Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > on behalf of Bob Leffler > Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:12:52 PM Subject: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question b@thelefflers.com>> One of the nuts on an ignition lead became gulled. Is it possible just to replace the nut? Or do you have to replace the ent ire lead? I saw Tim's post from a couple years ago. It looks like buying the replacement lead, the tookit, and all the other pa rts cost about 80% of replacing both harnesses with new. Thanks, bob Email Forum - -List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List p; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - ums.matronics.com p; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - matronics.com p; - List Contribution Web Site - p; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:47 AM PST US From: Neil Corella Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question Yes. That=99s a problem. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 3, 2018, at 8:00 AM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > That and there=99s not an A&P on the field that I trust to do electr ical work. The local shop is actually being evicted at the end of the year, so there is a huge void at the moment. The airport won=99t let indep endents work unless they carry insurance with the airport as a co-insured. > > Get Outlook for iOS > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Neil Corella > Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 6:34:27 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question > > Bob. You must be a tool guy. That=99s 10 end replacements from a a@ p who has the tools. But good info you send out. Thanks Neil > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 3, 2018, at 5:40 AM, Bob Leffler wrote: > >> Here=99s a summary of what I discovered over the last couple of day s. >> >> Several people responded about just replacing the connector fittings at t he end of the ignition cable. I also got a response from Joe Logie at Cham pion. His response was: >> >> Just the plug end needs replacement M6203 5/8-24 Spark Plug Hardware Kit, attached is my L-1499 showing how to do it and the required T-200 tool kit u sage. >> >> So just a $27 kit from Spruce to make the repair. However, you do need t he $289 toolkit to perform the repair. This is the route I went. I figured the odds of this happening again justified the tool purchase. Plus it =99s still the least expensive option. >> >> Purchasing just a single replacement lead ( plus the tool ) cost as much a s a half harness. >> >> Nobody stocks the half harnesses and the lead time is thirty days, which c osts $420. >> >> I found a couple places that stocked the full harnesses. QAA was the lea st expensive that I found for a Champion harness, which was $620. QAA also s ells Aero-Lite harnesses which are about $420. I found out from QAA that A ero-Lite harnesses are no longer in production and when their stock runs out , that=99s it. >> >> >> Get Outlook for iOS >> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Bob Leffler >> Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:12:52 PM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question >> >> >> One of the nuts on an ignition lead became gulled. >> >> Is it possible just to replace the nut? Or do you have to replace the e ntire lead? >> >> I saw Tim's post from a couple years ago. >> >> It looks like buying the replacement lead, the tookit, and all the other p arts cost about 80% of replacing both harnesses with new. >> >> Thanks, >> >> bob >> >> ========== >> Email Forum - >> -List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========== >> p; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> ums.matronics.com >> ========== >> p; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - >> matronics.com >> ========== >> p; - List Contribution Web Site - >> p; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:04 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question Good research Bob. I haven't bought a complete harness in awhile...obviously prices have multiplied a few orders of magnitude. While most airports prevent mechanics from working independently without insurance, most do allow you as the owner to bring your own mechanic to your plane and supervise said mechanic. Even better is when no money changes hands on the airport. I only "help" friends on the airport, mostly "supervising" if they need an A&P signature, or helping them as needed. I don't charge them, but they occasionally "help" me with the check at local greasy spoon. Maintenance on grant assurance airports gets fairly tricky. The airport can't restrict independents to any greater degree than whatever shop requirements are. Most I have seen, the shop capacity for repairs/inspections equals 10-20 percent of what is needed to keep based aircraft flying. The rest get fixed and signed off some how...probably by "hangar fairies and elves" or at other airports. Mechanic insurance is a figment of airport administrator's imagination. Over 15 years ago I was quoted $12,000/yr as an IA for $1M. Most airport documents call for $2M. If I were to do 100 annuals a year, I would have to add $120 per plane just to come out even. 100 annuals is essentially working full time, doing nothing else. I have no idea what the rates are today. I like working on planes, but at age 70, I am not going to bust my butt to do 100 annuals a year. Most IAs I know work uninsured, risking all their assets. Good thing most of this crowd can do their own work in the OBAM category. Sent from my IBM-360 main frame On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 5:00 AM, Bob Leffler wrote: > That and there=99s not an A&P on the field that I trust to do elect rical > work. The local shop is actually being evicted at the end of the year, s o > there is a huge void at the moment. The airport won=99t let indepe ndents > work unless they carry insurance with the airport as a co-insured. > > Get Outlook for iOS > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com matronics.com> on behalf of Neil Corella > *Sent:* Friday, August 3, 2018 6:34:27 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question > > Bob. You must be a tool guy. That=99s 10 end replacements from a a @p who > has the tools. But good info you send out. Thanks Neil > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 3, 2018, at 5:40 AM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > Here=99s a summary of what I discovered over the last couple of day s. > > Several people responded about just replacing the connector fittings at > the end of the ignition cable. I also got a response from Joe Logie at > Champion. His response was: > > Just the plug end needs replacement M6203 5/8-24 Spark Plug Hardware Kit, > attached is my L-1499 showing how to do it and the required T-200 tool ki t > usage. > > So just a $27 kit from Spruce to make the repair. However, you do need > the $289 toolkit to perform the repair. This is the route I went. I > figured the odds of this happening again justified the tool purchase. Pl us > it=99s still the least expensive option. > > Purchasing just a single replacement lead ( plus the tool ) cost as much > as a half harness. > > Nobody stocks the half harnesses and the lead time is thirty days, which > costs $420. > > I found a couple places that stocked the full harnesses. QAA was the > least expensive that I found for a Champion harness, which was $620. QAA > also sells Aero-Lite harnesses which are about $420. I found out from Q AA > that Aero-Lite harnesses are no longer in production and when their stock > runs out, that=99s it. > > > Get Outlook for iOS > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com matronics.com> on behalf of Bob Leffler > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:12:52 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Ignition Cable Question > > > One of the nuts on an ignition lead became gulled. > > Is it possible just to replace the nut? Or do you have to replace the > entire lead? > > I saw Tim's post from a couple years ago. > > It looks like buying the replacement lead, the tookit, and all the other > parts cost about 80% of replacing both harnesses with new. > > Thanks, > > bob > > ========== > Email Forum - > -List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ========== > p; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > ums.matronics.com > ========== > p; - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - > matronics.com > ========== > p; - List Contribution Web Site - > p; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.