---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/05/18: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: Antenna locations (parish) 2. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: Antenna locations (David Maib) 3. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: Antenna locations (Jesse Saint) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:39:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Antenna locations From: parish U2V2ZXJhbCB5ZWFycyBhZ28gSSBoYWQgZ29uZSBpbnRvIFRhbGxhaGFzc2VlIGluIGEgQ1JKMjAw LiBUaGUgZmxpZ2h0IGRlY2sgYW5nbGUgaXMgcXVpdGUgbG93IG9uIHRoYXQgYWlycGxhbmUuIERl bHRhIHdlbnQgYXJvdW5kIHR3aWNlIGluIHRoZSBNRDgwIGFuZCB3ZSBnb3QgcmlnaHQgaW4oYmFy ZWx5IGFuZCByaWdodCBhdCBtaW5pbXVtcykuIFRoZSBkaWZmZXJlbmNlIGluIGZsaWdodCBkZWNr IGFuZ2xlIHdhcyB0aGUgZGlmZmVyZW5jZSBiZXR3ZWVuIGxhbmRpbmcgYW5kIGdvaW5nIGFyb3Vu ZCB0aGF0IGRheSBhcHBhcmFudGx5LiBBbiBSTkFWIHdvdWxkIG5ldmVyIHdvcmsgaW4gdGhpcyBj YXNlIGFuZCBldmVuIDIwIGZlZXQgY2FuIG1ha2UgYSBkaWZmZXJlbmNlIGJldHdlZW4gbGFuZGlu ZyBhbmQgZ29pbmcgc29tZXBsYWNlIGVsc2UuCkkgYWx3YXlzIHNheSBpdCBpcyBiZXR0ZXIgdG8g aGF2ZSBpdCBhbmQgbm90IG5lZWQgaXQgcmF0aGVyIHRoYW4gdG8gbmVlZCBpdCBhbmQgbm90IGhh dmUgaXQhCgpTZW50IGZyb20gbXkgVC1Nb2JpbGUgNEcgTFRFIERldmljZQotLS0tLS0tLSBPcmln aW5hbCBtZXNzYWdlIC0tLS0tLS0tRnJvbTogQm9iIFR1cm5lciA8Ym9idHVybmVyQGFsdW0ucnBp LmVkdT4gRGF0ZTogNy8zMS8xOCAgMTI6MzMgUE0gIChHTVQtMDU6MDApIFRvOiBydjEwLWxpc3RA bWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbSBTdWJqZWN0OiBSVjEwLUxpc3Q6IFJlOiBBbnRlbm5hIGxvY2F0aW9ucyAK LS0+IFJWMTAtTGlzdCBtZXNzYWdlIHBvc3RlZCBieTogIkJvYiBUdXJuZXIiIDxib2J0dXJuZXJA YWx1bS5ycGkuZWR1PgoKV2h5IElMUz8KMS4gS2VlcCBpbiBwcmFjdGljZS4KMi4gU29tZXRpbWVz IHRoZSBtaW5pbXVtcyBhcmUgYSBiaXQgbG93ZXIgYW5kIGl0IG1hdHRlcnMuIFNvbWUgdGltZSBh Z28gSSB0b29rIGEgKGluc3RydW1lbnQpIHN0dWRlbnQgdG8gQ2hpY28gKEtDSUMpLCBwbGFubmlu ZyB0aGUgUk5BVihncHMpIHRoZXJlLiBCdXQgY2VpbGluZ3MgbG93ZXJlZCB0byAyMDDDosKAwpku IEdQUyBtaW5pbXVtcyB3ZXJlIDMwMMOiwoDCmS4gSUxTIGdvdCB1cyBpbi4KCi0tLS0tLS0tCkJv YiBUdXJuZXIKUlYtMTAgUUIKCgoKClJlYWQgdGhpcyB0b3BpYyBvbmxpbmUgaGVyZToKCmh0dHA6 Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS92aWV3dG9waWMucGhwP3A9NDgxOTg0IzQ4MTk4NAoKCgoK CgpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PQpfLT3CoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqAgLSBUaGUgUlYxMC1MaXN0IEVtYWlsIEZvcnVt IC0KXy09IFVzZSB0aGUgTWF0cm9uaWNzIExpc3QgRmVhdHVyZXMgTmF2aWdhdG9yIHRvIGJyb3dz ZQpfLT0gdGhlIG1hbnkgTGlzdCB1dGlsaXRpZXMgc3VjaCBhcyBMaXN0IFVuL1N1YnNjcmlwdGlv biwKXy09IEFyY2hpdmUgU2VhcmNoICYgRG93bmxvYWQsIDctRGF5IEJyb3dzZSwgQ2hhdCwgRkFR LApfLT0gUGhvdG9zaGFyZSwgYW5kIG11Y2ggbXVjaCBtb3JlOgpfLT0KXy09wqDCoCAtLT4gaHR0 cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL05hdmlnYXRvcj9SVjEwLUxpc3QKXy09Cl8tPT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09Cl8tPcKg wqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqAgLSBNQVRST05JQ1MgV0VCIEZPUlVNUyAtCl8tPSBT YW1lIGdyZWF0IGNvbnRlbnQgYWxzbyBhdmFpbGFibGUgdmlhIHRoZSBXZWIgRm9ydW1zIQpfLT0K Xy09wqDCoCAtLT4gaHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tCl8tPQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQpfLT3CoMKg wqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoCAtIE5FVyBNQVRST05JQ1MgTElTVCBXSUtJIC0KXy09IEFk ZCBzb21lIGluZm8gdG8gdGhlIE1hdHJvbmljcyBFbWFpbCBMaXN0IFdpa2khCl8tPcKgwqAgLS0+ IGh0dHA6Ly93aWtpLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0KXy09wqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDC oMKgIC0gTGlzdCBDb250cmlidXRpb24gV2ViIFNpdGUgLQpfLT3CoCBUaGFuayB5b3UgZm9yIHlv dXIgZ2VuZXJvdXMgc3VwcG9ydCEKXy09wqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDC oMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoCAtTWF0dCBEcmFsbGUsIExpc3QgQWRtaW4uCl8tPcKg wqAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9jb250cmlidXRpb24KXy09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0KCgoK ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:05 PM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Antenna locations It=99s certainly true that in some places the ILS minimums are a bit l ower. However, LPV approaches regularly have minimums as low as ILS serving t he same runway. Not true with RNAV or LNAV/VNAV minimums, but LPV is a diffe rent animal. Given the choice, if all things are equal, I=99d rather d o the LPV approach. I do, however, have dual ILS capability in my airplane, p ractice setting up and shooting ILS approaches, and would be uncomfortable w ithout ILS capability in my airplane. I still consider it necessary for full IFR capability. As Stein says, =9Cmy $.02 worth.=9D David Maib > On Aug 5, 2018, at 2:35 PM, parish wrote: > > Several years ago I had gone into Tallahassee in a CRJ200. The flight deck angle is quite low on that airplane. Delta went around twice in the MD80 an d we got right in(barely and right at minimums). The difference in flight de ck angle was the difference between landing and going around that day appara ntly. An RNAV would never work in this case and even 20 feet can make a diff erence between landing and going someplace else. > > I always say it is better to have it and not need it rather than to need i t and not have it! > > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Bob Turner > Date: 7/31/18 12:33 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Antenna locations > > > Why ILS? > 1. Keep in practice. > 2. Sometimes the minimums are a bit lower and it matters. Some time ago I t ook a (instrument) student to Chico (KCIC), planning the RNAV(gps) there. Bu t ceilings lowered to 200=C3=A2=C2=C2=99. GPS minimums were 300=C3=A2=C2 =C2=99. ILS got us in. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481984#481984 > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:58 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Antenna locations Another point is that few small airports have an ILS on both ends of a runwa y, but if they have an ILS, they often have LPV=99s at both ends. With winds not favoring the ILS runway, LPV minimums are hugely lower than ILS c ircling minimums. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 5, 2018, at 8:55 PM, David Maib wrote: > > It=99s certainly true that in some places the ILS minimums are a bit lower. However, LPV approaches regularly have minimums as low as ILS servin g the same runway. Not true with RNAV or LNAV/VNAV minimums, but LPV is a di fferent animal. Given the choice, if all things are equal, I=99d rathe r do the LPV approach. I do, however, have dual ILS capability in my airplan e, practice setting up and shooting ILS approaches, and would be uncomfortab le without ILS capability in my airplane. I still consider it necessary for f ull IFR capability. > As Stein says, =9Cmy $.02 worth.=9D > > David Maib > > >> On Aug 5, 2018, at 2:35 PM, parish wrote: >> >> Several years ago I had gone into Tallahassee in a CRJ200. The flight dec k angle is quite low on that airplane. Delta went around twice in the MD80 a nd we got right in(barely and right at minimums). The difference in flight d eck angle was the difference between landing and going around that day appar antly. An RNAV would never work in this case and even 20 feet can make a dif ference between landing and going someplace else. >> >> I always say it is better to have it and not need it rather than to need i t and not have it! >> >> >> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Bob Turner >> Date: 7/31/18 12:33 PM (GMT-05:00) >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Antenna locations >> >> >> Why ILS? >> 1. Keep in practice. >> 2. Sometimes the minimums are a bit lower and it matters. Some time ago I took a (instrument) student to Chico (KCIC), planning the RNAV(gps) there. B ut ceilings lowered to 200=C3=A2=C2=C2=99. GPS minimums were 300=C3=A2=C2 =C2=99. ILS got us in. >> >> -------- >> Bob Turner >> RV-10 QB >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics================= ========================== =========a href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10 -List">http://www.matronics================= ========= &nbs=========== ========================== ========================== ========================== ===============p; -Matt D ralle, List Admi==================== ========================== ===== >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.