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1. 09:31 AM - Tooling up (Blizzard)
2. 09:50 AM - Re: Tooling up (Brian Lester)
3. 09:55 AM - Re: Tooling up (Bill Watson)
4. 10:12 AM - Re: Tooling up ()
5. 10:59 AM - Re: Tooling up (BrBreck)
6. 11:47 AM - Re: Tooling up (Jack Philips)
7. 12:06 PM - RV10 building tools (Doc)
8. 12:51 PM - Re: Tooling up (Peter)
9. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: Tooling up (Kelly McMullen)
10. 07:11 PM - Re: Re: Tooling up (Kelly McMullen)
11. 08:08 PM - Re: Re: Tooling up (Michael Smith)
12. 08:17 PM - Re: Tooling up (kearney)
13. 08:19 PM - Ceramic coating of exhaust (kearney)
14. 08:24 PM - Re: Ceramic coating of exhaust (Kelly McMullen)
15. 09:58 PM - Re: Ceramic coating of exhaust (John Cox)
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Have made the decision to build an RV-10 starting late fall or winter. Looking
for some guidance on getting tooled up to begin. Laundry list of tools needed,
suppliers, and particularly the best quality pneumatic tools that most are
using. Rivet gun, drill, squeezer, dimpler, hoses, swivels, etc. Thanks.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483374#483374
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Look at planetools.com or cleavelandtool. They both have good kits that
cover most of what you need.
Do a few searches regarding the drdt-2 to see if you want that or the
standard c-frame.
Highly recommend a pneumatic squeezer but you can get through without it.
Welcome to the club and good luck on the project!
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM Blizzard <cd.stone@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> Have made the decision to build an RV-10 starting late fall or winter.
> Looking for some guidance on getting tooled up to begin. Laundry list of
> tools needed, suppliers, and particularly the best quality pneumatic tools
> that most are using. Rivet gun, drill, squeezer, dimpler, hoses, swivels,
> etc. Thanks.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483374#483374
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You'll get some good advice here.
Two general things I'd say:
1. I bought one of the 'kits' offered by several vendors. I found it
to be a real good starting point, especially for the many small bits
of hardware required. Saves a lot of time and they sent generally
good stuff. (I'd be specific but I forgot who and don't know if
they are still around)
2. I wrote this on another blog and think its a great thing if able to do:
"Generally speaking, one of the most informative events during my
build was attending a builder class where they had 3 or 4 different
brands or styles of each tool, including squeezers, guns,
countersinks, cleco pliers, etc. we were encouraged to try each of them.
It was a real eye opener in the sense that each student had strong
preferences for one flavor or a another and those preferences were
all over the map. Some of us even decided that certain tools werent
needed at all. Difficult to replicate but something tothinkabout."
In other words, there are few 'best tools', but a lot of good ones.
Personal preference is a big deal in some categories like hand
squeezers, pnuematic tools in general, and some optional tools like
pneumatic cleco guns.
Enjoy the build!
On 9/26/2018 12:29 PM, Blizzard wrote:
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> Have made the decision to build an RV-10 starting late fall or winter. Looking
for some guidance on getting tooled up to begin. Laundry list of tools needed,
suppliers, and particularly the best quality pneumatic tools that most are
using. Rivet gun, drill, squeezer, dimpler, hoses, swivels, etc. Thanks.
>
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In retrospect, I think the decision on C-frame vs DRDT2 comes down to
help. If you plan to be solo most of the time, the DRDT is the way to
go. If you have a helper you can save yourself a few hundred dollars and
go with the C-Frame.and save the gym membership fee too.
I use ATS- Aircraft tool and supply for many of my tools as well as
cleaveland and brown for some.
Get the plans on the flash drive from Van=99s read what tools you
will need and start making a list. Then you can compare the various tool
dealers and keep the info in a spreadsheet. The kits are great; I just
think they have tools that you may not need for 2 years or more in them.
We all know you will need the basic stuff, airtank, lines, connections,
drill, squeezer of some kind.
Airtank----spend a few dollars here. I am getting ready to upgrade yet
once again and could have saved myself the time and money had I done it
right the first time. Get a 2 stage, 25 or more gallon, oiled air pump
and tankeither that or build a building way away from your
workspace for the cheepo tank we can get at Harbor Freight.
Airlines and fittings---I got these on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Q759T4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_
s02?ie=UTF8
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Q759T4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04
_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1> &psc=1 I love this hose!
Get plenty of the #40, #30 drill bits.
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<owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of Brian Lester
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tooling up
Look at planetools.com <http://planetools.com> or cleavelandtool. They
both have good kits that cover most of what you need.
Do a few searches regarding the drdt-2 to see if you want that or the
standard c-frame.
Highly recommend a pneumatic squeezer but you can get through without
it.
Welcome to the club and good luck on the project!
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM Blizzard <cd.stone@sbcglobal.net
<mailto:cd.stone@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:
<mailto:cd.stone@sbcglobal.net> >
Have made the decision to build an RV-10 starting late fall or winter.
Looking for some guidance on getting tooled up to begin. Laundry list
of tools needed, suppliers, and particularly the best quality pneumatic
tools that most are using. Rivet gun, drill, squeezer, dimpler, hoses,
swivels, etc. Thanks.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483374#483374
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John Jessen bought a DRDT-2 when it first came out and I promptly put it in my
hangar. Best move I ever made. Soon, I'm sure he'll want it back. It's a fantastic
tool. Build a carpet covered table around it and you won't regret it.
No banging noises and you can do it without an assistant.
Pneumatic squeezer with multiple "heads". I miss AVERY tools, but, I'm sure someone
has stepped up with an RV builder's kits that's more than adequate.
RV-10 Fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483378#483378
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I agree with everything that has been said here, and will add just a
bit.
It is really helpful to have a good woodcutting bandsaw with the finest
toothed metal cutting blade you can get. There are a lot of cuts in
aluminum to be made and this will help immensely.
Also, although pricey, I found the tungsten bucking bars (I have two) to
be literally worth their weight in gold. They are small and able to fit
places where steel bars simply can=99t work. I would not consider
building an RV without them.
Jack Phillips
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
#40610 - Finishing
Having escaped Fiberglass Hell, I now find myself in Plexiglas Hell
=93 trimming windows and windshield
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
parish@parishmoffitt.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 1:12 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tooling up
In retrospect, I think the decision on C-frame vs DRDT2 comes down to
help. If you plan to be solo most of the time, the DRDT is the way to
go. If you have a helper you can save yourself a few hundred dollars and
go with the C-Frame.and save the gym membership fee too.
I use ATS- Aircraft tool and supply for many of my tools as well as
cleaveland and brown for some.
Get the plans on the flash drive from Van=99s read what tools you
will need and start making a list. Then you can compare the various tool
dealers and keep the info in a spreadsheet. The kits are great; I just
think they have tools that you may not need for 2 years or more in them.
We all know you will need the basic stuff, airtank, lines, connections,
drill, squeezer of some kind.
Airtank----spend a few dollars here. I am getting ready to upgrade yet
once again and could have saved myself the time and money had I done it
right the first time. Get a 2 stage, 25 or more gallon, oiled air pump
and tankeither that or build a building way away from your
workspace for the cheepo tank we can get at Harbor Freight.
Airlines and fittings---I got these on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Q759T4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_
s02?ie=UTF8
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Q759T4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04
_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1> &psc=1 I love this hose!
Get plenty of the #40, #30 drill bits.
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<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
<owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> > On Behalf Of Brian
Lester
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tooling up
Look at planetools.com <http://planetools.com> or cleavelandtool. They
both have good kits that cover most of what you need.
Do a few searches regarding the drdt-2 to see if you want that or the
standard c-frame.
Highly recommend a pneumatic squeezer but you can get through without
it.
Welcome to the club and good luck on the project!
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM Blizzard <cd.stone@sbcglobal.net
<mailto:cd.stone@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:
<mailto:cd.stone@sbcglobal.net> >
Have made the decision to build an RV-10 starting late fall or winter.
Looking for some guidance on getting tooled up to begin. Laundry list
of tools needed, suppliers, and particularly the best quality pneumatic
tools that most are using. Rivet gun, drill, squeezer, dimpler, hoses,
swivels, etc. Thanks.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483374#483374
-List" rel="noreferrer"
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I am building my second RV10 ii 8 years. First one took 18mo. Second
one about done in 9mo. Good places to get tools is Cleveland, Avery
Tools and the Yard Store in Wichita. I invested about $5,000 in tools.
One thing for sure is that Vans list is very, very deficient. You will
be ordering hard ware a lot as you go along also. You can google supply
stores for hard ware and non aircraft parts. Harbor Freight has
compressors, pop riveters, 2-foot hydraulic jacks, air hoses, right
angle grinders, wrench sets, sockets, etc., etc. I composed a list of
everything I could think of and then added more to the list as I talked
to builders and found out what I needed while building. You can't
imagine some of the tools you will need until you get going. Good luck.
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I did my entire build with a pneumatic squeezer and occasionally
borrowed a hand squeezer. In retrospect, I would spend less on the
pneumatic by getting a used or rebuilt one from Brown or others, and get
a good hand squeezer that uses the same yokes. A hand squeezer has much
better control and finesse, while the pneumatic is better for multiple
rivets. The DRDT-2 is a fantastic tool, especially if building at home
and not wanting the noise of hammering on a C-frame.
On 9/26/2018 10:57 AM, BrBreck wrote:
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> John Jessen bought a DRDT-2 when it first came out and I promptly put it in my
hangar. Best move I ever made. Soon, I'm sure he'll want it back. It's a
fantastic tool. Build a carpet covered table around it and you won't regret it.
No banging noises and you can do it without an assistant.
>
> Pneumatic squeezer with multiple "heads". I miss AVERY tools, but, I'm sure
someone has stepped up with an RV builder's kits that's more than adequate.
>
> RV-10 Fuselage
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483378#483378
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I should second the recommendation of a tungsten bucking bar. Very rarely
used any other bucking bar. Some form of metal cutting bandsaw is very
helpful, as is the combination belt/circular sander Harbor Freight offers.
Sent from my IBM-360 main frame
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 6:43 PM Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
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> I did my entire build with a pneumatic squeezer and occasionally
> borrowed a hand squeezer. In retrospect, I would spend less on the
> pneumatic by getting a used or rebuilt one from Brown or others, and get
> a good hand squeezer that uses the same yokes. A hand squeezer has much
> better control and finesse, while the pneumatic is better for multiple
> rivets. The DRDT-2 is a fantastic tool, especially if building at home
> and not wanting the noise of hammering on a C-frame.
>
> On 9/26/2018 10:57 AM, BrBreck wrote:
> >
> > John Jessen bought a DRDT-2 when it first came out and I promptly put it
> in my hangar. Best move I ever made. Soon, I'm sure he'll want it back.
> It's a fantastic tool. Build a carpet covered table around it and you
> won't regret it. No banging noises and you can do it without an assistant.
> >
> > Pneumatic squeezer with multiple "heads". I miss AVERY tools, but, I'm
> sure someone has stepped up with an RV builder's kits that's more than
> adequate.
> >
> > RV-10 Fuselage
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> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483378#483378
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I purchased all my tools from Cleaveland Tools and harbor freight. The tungs
ten bucking bar is worth the price. The fabrication of spar caps and others a
re easily accomplished with a band saw, belt and rotary sander, scotchbrite w
heel, and drill press. You can see the tools I use at
Https:/www.rv10airplaneadventures.com
Finishing the rudder tomorrow. Good luck with your build!
Michael Smith
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> On Sep 26, 2018, at 9:09 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I should second the recommendation of a tungsten bucking bar. Very rarely u
sed any other bucking bar. Some form of metal cutting bandsaw is very helpfu
l, as is the combination belt/circular sander Harbor Freight offers.
> Sent from my IBM-360 main frame
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>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 6:43 PM Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrot
e:
>>
>> I did my entire build with a pneumatic squeezer and occasionally
>> borrowed a hand squeezer. In retrospect, I would spend less on the
>> pneumatic by getting a used or rebuilt one from Brown or others, and get
>> a good hand squeezer that uses the same yokes. A hand squeezer has much
>> better control and finesse, while the pneumatic is better for multiple
>> rivets. The DRDT-2 is a fantastic tool, especially if building at home
>> and not wanting the noise of hammering on a C-frame.
>>
>> On 9/26/2018 10:57 AM, BrBreck wrote:
>> >
>> > John Jessen bought a DRDT-2 when it first came out and I promptly put i
t in my hangar. Best move I ever made. Soon, I'm sure he'll want it back.
It's a fantastic tool. Build a carpet covered table around it and you won'
t regret it. No banging noises and you can do it without an assistant.
>> >
>> > Pneumatic squeezer with multiple "heads". I miss AVERY tools, but, I'm
sure someone has stepped up with an RV builder's kits that's more than adeq
uate.
>> >
>> > RV-10 Fuselage
>> >
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>> > Read this topic online here:
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>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483378#483378
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Hi
I suggest a belt sander be added to the tool mix. It is very handy when cleaning
up straight cuts on parts.
Cheers
Les
C-GCWZ - Sold
C-GROK - Some assembly required
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| Subject: | Ceramic coating of exhaust |
Hi
I was chatting with my painter today and he suggested I look at getting my exhaust
tubes ceramic coated.
Has anyone tried this on an IO-540 and if so what was the result.
Comments / opinions appreciated.
Cheers
Les
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| Subject: | Re: Ceramic coating of exhaust |
I would check with Vetterman. IIRC he is opposed to a coating, with it
retaining more heat in the pipes.
On 9/26/2018 8:17 PM, kearney wrote:
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> Hi
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> I was chatting with my painter today and he suggested I look at getting my exhaust
tubes ceramic coated.
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> Has anyone tried this on an IO-540 and if so what was the result.
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> Comments / opinions appreciated.
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> Cheers
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> Les
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483396#483396
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| Subject: | Re: Ceramic coating of exhaust |
Ceramic coating is too often improperly applied externally and the result
is premature exhaust tube failure. Heat transfer is a normal process of
combustion. Tread cautiously.
John Cox
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 20:27 Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
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> I would check with Vetterman. IIRC he is opposed to a coating, with it
> retaining more heat in the pipes.
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> On 9/26/2018 8:17 PM, kearney wrote:
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> > Hi
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> > I was chatting with my painter today and he suggested I look at getting
> my exhaust tubes ceramic coated.
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> > Has anyone tried this on an IO-540 and if so what was the result.
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> > Comments / opinions appreciated.
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> > Cheers
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> > Les
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> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483396#483396
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