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1. 04:55 PM - Returning to Phase 1? (Phillip Perry)
2. 07:28 PM - Re: Returning to Phase 1? (Kelly McMullen)
3. 07:40 PM - Re: Returning to Phase 1? (Phillip Perry)
4. 07:46 PM - Re: Returning to Phase 1? (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Returning to Phase 1? |
I am helping a friend do some work on his airplane and we are considering making
some modifications that could put the airplane back in Phase 1 for another 5
hour test spin.
He purchased the flying RV, so he is not the builder of the aircraft and does not
have the repairman certificate.
In this scenario, what is the process of putting the airplane back in Phase 1 testing?
As the owner who is not the builder, can he create the logbook entry
resubmitting it into Phase 1 and then take it back out? Or could that be done
by and A&P/IA? Or does that require a visit to the FSDO?
Im unclear how the process works if youre not the builder with a repairman certificate.
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Returning to Phase 1? |
Now that you are involved with the Homebuilt Council, (congratulations),
I'm sure Vic Syracuse can give you a better explanation than I can.
Ditto Mel Asberry.
Lets start with maintenance and modification. Examine the operating
limitations for the aircraft in question. They will say what has to be
done for a major modification. Typically, notify the FSDO and if the
plane is in same area as original phase I, do 5 hours test flying. If
plane is now in different FSDO area, request new test area.
As for doing the work...there is no license needed, not repairman nor
A&P. The only time a license is needed is for performing the condition
inspection. As for logbook, enter description of work done, state a
Phase I test period was done and completed. When the the FSDO is
notified, they may assign a different test period or may want to modify
the test area. There is no entry for placing a plane in Phase I, only an
entry for completion of Phase I.
You don't state the type of modification...you use the guidance in Part
43, Appendix A for making the determination of whether it is major. Prop
model change or engine change definitely is. Adding a Yaw damper to an
RV may or may not be. It will take a few hours of calibration flights
anyway. One can consult with the FSDO if in doubt.
On 4/12/2019 4:55 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>
> I am helping a friend do some work on his airplane and we are considering making
some modifications that could put the airplane back in Phase 1 for another
5 hour test spin.
>
> He purchased the flying RV, so he is not the builder of the aircraft and does
not have the repairman certificate.
>
> In this scenario, what is the process of putting the airplane back in Phase 1
testing? As the owner who is not the builder, can he create the logbook entry
resubmitting it into Phase 1 and then take it back out? Or could that be done
by and A&P/IA? Or does that require a visit to the FSDO?
>
> Im unclear how the process works if youre not the builder with a repairman certificate.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Returning to Phase 1? |
Good insight.
Might be worth a phone call to the FSDO to see if this is something that can be
done via email rather than making the trip up in person. (Almost 2hrs away)
Thanks for the congrats. A little clarification, Im sitting on the Chapter Advisory
Council rather than homebuilt council. Id always be willing to chat with
you folks on ideas and issues that I might be able to bring back to the chapters
office at OSH. Im not an EAA employee, but do have the ear of a few folks
in the chapters office and Im happy to help chapters do their thing.
Phil
> On Apr 12, 2019, at 9:27 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
>
> Now that you are involved with the Homebuilt Council, (congratulations), I'm
sure Vic Syracuse can give you a better explanation than I can. Ditto Mel Asberry.
> Lets start with maintenance and modification. Examine the operating limitations
for the aircraft in question. They will say what has to be done for a major
modification. Typically, notify the FSDO and if the plane is in same area as
original phase I, do 5 hours test flying. If plane is now in different FSDO area,
request new test area.
> As for doing the work...there is no license needed, not repairman nor A&P. The
only time a license is needed is for performing the condition inspection. As
for logbook, enter description of work done, state a Phase I test period was
done and completed. When the the FSDO is notified, they may assign a different
test period or may want to modify the test area. There is no entry for placing
a plane in Phase I, only an entry for completion of Phase I.
> You don't state the type of modification...you use the guidance in Part 43, Appendix
A for making the determination of whether it is major. Prop model change
or engine change definitely is. Adding a Yaw damper to an RV may or may not
be. It will take a few hours of calibration flights anyway. One can consult with
the FSDO if in doubt.
>
>> On 4/12/2019 4:55 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>> I am helping a friend do some work on his airplane and we are considering making
some modifications that could put the airplane back in Phase 1 for another
5 hour test spin.
>> He purchased the flying RV, so he is not the builder of the aircraft and does
not have the repairman certificate.
>> In this scenario, what is the process of putting the airplane back in Phase
1 testing? As the owner who is not the builder, can he create the logbook entry
resubmitting it into Phase 1 and then take it back out? Or could that be
done by and A&P/IA? Or does that require a visit to the FSDO?
>> Im unclear how the process works if youre not the builder with a repairman certificate.
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Returning to Phase 1? |
Yes, my mistake...I saw your appointment on the Chapter video. Lots of
very good things coming out of the chapters office....boot camp for
leaders, membership management tool, Young Eagles management website,
etc. If you call the FSDO, be sure to get a maintenance inspector. I
would ask if they have a maintenance inspector that specializes in
homebuilt aircraft. Locally, I would talk to my FAAST team maintenance
coordinator, for a recommendation of which inspector to ask for.
Kelly
Pres. Chapt 1445
On 4/12/2019 7:40 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>
> Good insight.
>
> Might be worth a phone call to the FSDO to see if this is something that can
be done via email rather than making the trip up in person. (Almost 2hrs away)
>
> Thanks for the congrats. A little clarification, Im sitting on the Chapter
Advisory Council rather than homebuilt council. Id always be willing to chat
with you folks on ideas and issues that I might be able to bring back to the
chapters office at OSH. Im not an EAA employee, but do have the ear of a few
folks in the chapters office and Im happy to help chapters do their thing.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Apr 12, 2019, at 9:27 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Now that you are involved with the Homebuilt Council, (congratulations), I'm
sure Vic Syracuse can give you a better explanation than I can. Ditto Mel Asberry.
>> Lets start with maintenance and modification. Examine the operating limitations
for the aircraft in question. They will say what has to be done for a major
modification. Typically, notify the FSDO and if the plane is in same area as
original phase I, do 5 hours test flying. If plane is now in different FSDO
area, request new test area.
>> As for doing the work...there is no license needed, not repairman nor A&P. The
only time a license is needed is for performing the condition inspection. As
for logbook, enter description of work done, state a Phase I test period was
done and completed. When the the FSDO is notified, they may assign a different
test period or may want to modify the test area. There is no entry for placing
a plane in Phase I, only an entry for completion of Phase I.
>> You don't state the type of modification...you use the guidance in Part 43,
Appendix A for making the determination of whether it is major. Prop model change
or engine change definitely is. Adding a Yaw damper to an RV may or may not
be. It will take a few hours of calibration flights anyway. One can consult
with the FSDO if in doubt.
>>
>>> On 4/12/2019 4:55 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>>> I am helping a friend do some work on his airplane and we are considering making
some modifications that could put the airplane back in Phase 1 for another
5 hour test spin.
>>> He purchased the flying RV, so he is not the builder of the aircraft and does
not have the repairman certificate.
>>> In this scenario, what is the process of putting the airplane back in Phase
1 testing? As the owner who is not the builder, can he create the logbook entry
resubmitting it into Phase 1 and then take it back out? Or could that be
done by and A&P/IA? Or does that require a visit to the FSDO?
>>> Im unclear how the process works if youre not the builder with a repairman
certificate.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Phil
>>
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