---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/12/19: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:55 PM - Returning to Phase 1? (Phillip Perry) 2. 07:28 PM - Re: Returning to Phase 1? (Kelly McMullen) 3. 07:40 PM - Re: Returning to Phase 1? (Phillip Perry) 4. 07:46 PM - Re: Returning to Phase 1? (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:55 PM PST US From: Phillip Perry Subject: RV10-List: Returning to Phase 1? I am helping a friend do some work on his airplane and we are considering making some modifications that could put the airplane back in Phase 1 for another 5 hour test spin. He purchased the flying RV, so he is not the builder of the aircraft and does not have the repairman certificate. In this scenario, what is the process of putting the airplane back in Phase 1 testing? As the owner who is not the builder, can he create the logbook entry resubmitting it into Phase 1 and then take it back out? Or could that be done by and A&P/IA? Or does that require a visit to the FSDO? Im unclear how the process works if youre not the builder with a repairman certificate. Thanks, Phil ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Returning to Phase 1? From: Kelly McMullen Now that you are involved with the Homebuilt Council, (congratulations), I'm sure Vic Syracuse can give you a better explanation than I can. Ditto Mel Asberry. Lets start with maintenance and modification. Examine the operating limitations for the aircraft in question. They will say what has to be done for a major modification. Typically, notify the FSDO and if the plane is in same area as original phase I, do 5 hours test flying. If plane is now in different FSDO area, request new test area. As for doing the work...there is no license needed, not repairman nor A&P. The only time a license is needed is for performing the condition inspection. As for logbook, enter description of work done, state a Phase I test period was done and completed. When the the FSDO is notified, they may assign a different test period or may want to modify the test area. There is no entry for placing a plane in Phase I, only an entry for completion of Phase I. You don't state the type of modification...you use the guidance in Part 43, Appendix A for making the determination of whether it is major. Prop model change or engine change definitely is. Adding a Yaw damper to an RV may or may not be. It will take a few hours of calibration flights anyway. One can consult with the FSDO if in doubt. On 4/12/2019 4:55 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > > I am helping a friend do some work on his airplane and we are considering making some modifications that could put the airplane back in Phase 1 for another 5 hour test spin. > > He purchased the flying RV, so he is not the builder of the aircraft and does not have the repairman certificate. > > In this scenario, what is the process of putting the airplane back in Phase 1 testing? As the owner who is not the builder, can he create the logbook entry resubmitting it into Phase 1 and then take it back out? Or could that be done by and A&P/IA? Or does that require a visit to the FSDO? > > Im unclear how the process works if youre not the builder with a repairman certificate. > > Thanks, > Phil > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:57 PM PST US From: Phillip Perry Subject: Re: RV10-List: Returning to Phase 1? Good insight. Might be worth a phone call to the FSDO to see if this is something that can be done via email rather than making the trip up in person. (Almost 2hrs away) Thanks for the congrats. A little clarification, Im sitting on the Chapter Advisory Council rather than homebuilt council. Id always be willing to chat with you folks on ideas and issues that I might be able to bring back to the chapters office at OSH. Im not an EAA employee, but do have the ear of a few folks in the chapters office and Im happy to help chapters do their thing. Phil > On Apr 12, 2019, at 9:27 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > Now that you are involved with the Homebuilt Council, (congratulations), I'm sure Vic Syracuse can give you a better explanation than I can. Ditto Mel Asberry. > Lets start with maintenance and modification. Examine the operating limitations for the aircraft in question. They will say what has to be done for a major modification. Typically, notify the FSDO and if the plane is in same area as original phase I, do 5 hours test flying. If plane is now in different FSDO area, request new test area. > As for doing the work...there is no license needed, not repairman nor A&P. The only time a license is needed is for performing the condition inspection. As for logbook, enter description of work done, state a Phase I test period was done and completed. When the the FSDO is notified, they may assign a different test period or may want to modify the test area. There is no entry for placing a plane in Phase I, only an entry for completion of Phase I. > You don't state the type of modification...you use the guidance in Part 43, Appendix A for making the determination of whether it is major. Prop model change or engine change definitely is. Adding a Yaw damper to an RV may or may not be. It will take a few hours of calibration flights anyway. One can consult with the FSDO if in doubt. > >> On 4/12/2019 4:55 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: >> I am helping a friend do some work on his airplane and we are considering making some modifications that could put the airplane back in Phase 1 for another 5 hour test spin. >> He purchased the flying RV, so he is not the builder of the aircraft and does not have the repairman certificate. >> In this scenario, what is the process of putting the airplane back in Phase 1 testing? As the owner who is not the builder, can he create the logbook entry resubmitting it into Phase 1 and then take it back out? Or could that be done by and A&P/IA? Or does that require a visit to the FSDO? >> Im unclear how the process works if youre not the builder with a repairman certificate. >> Thanks, >> Phil > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Returning to Phase 1? From: Kelly McMullen Yes, my mistake...I saw your appointment on the Chapter video. Lots of very good things coming out of the chapters office....boot camp for leaders, membership management tool, Young Eagles management website, etc. If you call the FSDO, be sure to get a maintenance inspector. I would ask if they have a maintenance inspector that specializes in homebuilt aircraft. Locally, I would talk to my FAAST team maintenance coordinator, for a recommendation of which inspector to ask for. Kelly Pres. Chapt 1445 On 4/12/2019 7:40 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: > > Good insight. > > Might be worth a phone call to the FSDO to see if this is something that can be done via email rather than making the trip up in person. (Almost 2hrs away) > > Thanks for the congrats. A little clarification, Im sitting on the Chapter Advisory Council rather than homebuilt council. Id always be willing to chat with you folks on ideas and issues that I might be able to bring back to the chapters office at OSH. Im not an EAA employee, but do have the ear of a few folks in the chapters office and Im happy to help chapters do their thing. > > Phil > > > > > >> On Apr 12, 2019, at 9:27 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> >> Now that you are involved with the Homebuilt Council, (congratulations), I'm sure Vic Syracuse can give you a better explanation than I can. Ditto Mel Asberry. >> Lets start with maintenance and modification. Examine the operating limitations for the aircraft in question. They will say what has to be done for a major modification. Typically, notify the FSDO and if the plane is in same area as original phase I, do 5 hours test flying. If plane is now in different FSDO area, request new test area. >> As for doing the work...there is no license needed, not repairman nor A&P. The only time a license is needed is for performing the condition inspection. As for logbook, enter description of work done, state a Phase I test period was done and completed. When the the FSDO is notified, they may assign a different test period or may want to modify the test area. There is no entry for placing a plane in Phase I, only an entry for completion of Phase I. >> You don't state the type of modification...you use the guidance in Part 43, Appendix A for making the determination of whether it is major. Prop model change or engine change definitely is. Adding a Yaw damper to an RV may or may not be. It will take a few hours of calibration flights anyway. One can consult with the FSDO if in doubt. >> >>> On 4/12/2019 4:55 PM, Phillip Perry wrote: >>> I am helping a friend do some work on his airplane and we are considering making some modifications that could put the airplane back in Phase 1 for another 5 hour test spin. >>> He purchased the flying RV, so he is not the builder of the aircraft and does not have the repairman certificate. >>> In this scenario, what is the process of putting the airplane back in Phase 1 testing? As the owner who is not the builder, can he create the logbook entry resubmitting it into Phase 1 and then take it back out? Or could that be done by and A&P/IA? Or does that require a visit to the FSDO? >>> Im unclear how the process works if youre not the builder with a repairman certificate. >>> Thanks, >>> Phil >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.