---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/20/19: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:54 AM - Re: Maneuvers (Kelly McMullen) 2. 10:36 AM - Re: Maneuvers (Bob Turner) 3. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: Maneuvers (Kelly McMullen) 4. 02:43 PM - Re: Maneuvers (Bob Turner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Maneuvers From: Kelly McMullen Phil found and pointed me to a very interesting discussion on VAF from 12 years ago: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=86829 Also, in the current issue of AOPA Pilot Barry Schiff has an interesting article on what he had to demonstrate to a CAA examiner for spins on his CFI ride many moons ago. Enlightened me as to the many different ways to get into a spin. On 8/19/2019 9:05 AM, Phil Perry wrote: > Thanks to The WayBack Machine, I have attached is a .pdf (that I > created) from the old Van's website. It contains information on the > development of the RV-10 and there is a photo of the prototype aircraft > with a spin chute attached to it. I don't see any information on the > tests, but there is proof that it was adapted with a chute for testing. > > I'm really providing the .pdf so this information is not lost forever. > There's some good info in there that we will find useful until the final > -10 is no longer airworthy. It was basically a blog on 8 pages of their > site, so there may be a couple of spots in their narrative where the > text appears to be disjointed. > > I'll keep poking around to see if I can find anything definitive on the > spin testing results (or anything else significant). > > Phil > > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:23 AM Tim Olson > wrote: > > > I don't really have any references to cite, just things I've heard for > years on the email list. > > I'd always heard that Van's did test the RV-10 for spins, and either > it was found that it required a spin chute for guaranteed recovery, or > that when they tested it they had a spin chute. I don't have the > details on it, unfortunately. But I did hear that they do not state > that spins were approved in the RV-10, so I've never spun mine. > > I had not heard the same thing regarding the RV-14, so I've done > spins in that plane, although I've never let it wind up more > than a couple turns. The RV-14 does recover very easily if you're > only into it for a couple turns, but the rudder seems significantly > larger overall than the -10. > > I'm not sure where the line is drawn, but I am guessing it is > really just based on G loading. The RV-10, from the Van's site > shows +3.8/-1.5G for standard category limitations. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:01 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Maneuvers From: "Bob Turner" I suspect Vans is just following FAA rules for standard airplanes here. The -10 design load limit of 3.8+ is the same as Normal category. Normal category airplanes can be used for all the required commercial maneuvers, but, I think, the faa wont approve anything less than Utility class for spins. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490968#490968 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Maneuvers From: Kelly McMullen I am sure you are correct. I am just a little surprised that there is virtually no mention in any of the literature as to what Van's considers acceptable vs unacceptable. Seems like it would help limit their liability. On 8/20/2019 10:35 AM, Bob Turner wrote: > > I suspect Vans is just following FAA rules for standard airplanes here. The -10 design load limit of 3.8+ is the same as Normal category. Normal category airplanes can be used for all the required commercial maneuvers, but, I think, the faa wont approve anything less than Utility class for spins. > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490968#490968 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:34 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Maneuvers From: "Bob Turner" I am not a lawyer. But I suspect that saying nothing is in their legal best interest. Remember, that legally, Vans is not an airplane manufacturer; they are a parts supplier. You and I are the manufacturer. Publishing anything at all opens them up to a claim that they are acting as a manufacturer, and the potential liability that goes with that. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490973#490973 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.