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1. 05:03 AM - Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? (whodja)
2. 05:13 AM - Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? (Terry Moushon)
3. 06:20 AM - Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? (William Greenley)
4. 06:31 AM - Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? (Kelly McMullen)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? (Tim Olson)
6. 07:20 AM - Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? (Robert Skinner)
7. 07:36 AM - Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? (Phillip Perry)
8. 03:26 PM - Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? (David Saylor)
9. 03:58 PM - Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? (David Saylor)
10. 04:00 PM - Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? (David Saylor)
11. 04:04 PM - Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? (David Saylor)
12. 04:10 PM - Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? (David Saylor)
13. 04:14 PM - Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? (David Saylor)
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
I HIGHLY recommend it. 20k+ hours with a YD. The Garmin works great. Id recommend
the servo mount from Stein or the RV-14 mount from Vans. No waggle, very smooth.
Especially when you combine it with the Aerosport rudder trim.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491354#491354
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
433 hours since first flight 5/2015 and no yaw damper... I did install a Ray Allen
motor for rudder trim with a switch on the stick....and use it periodically.
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
One thing to note with the yaw dampener, make sure it is off before
landing. I had turned off my autopilot but somehow turned on just the YD.
Took a few seconds to figure out my the plane was arguing when I was
setting up for a crosswind landing.
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 12:37 AM Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave,
> I don't think you need to think of it as now or never. I know the Dynon
> equivalent can be added anytime you choose, as I installed mine about 3 y
rs
> after first flight. Just had to update configuration in the network and
> system activated those items in the menu. Once I got the calibration clos
e
> to what others found worked, it was very nice. I expect the Garmin versio
n
> would be very much the same. It takes some load off flying in light
> turbulence, and if you have back seat pax, I'm sure they would appreciate
> it. The Dynon system lets you put in independent switch to turn YD on or
> off separately from the AP. I expect you can do same with Garmin.
>
> Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 9:20 PM David Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We're switching to a G3X. That's another thread but since it would
>> include the AP, I'm considering the yaw damp option as well. The Garmin
>> mounting solution looks pretty easy, even as a retrofit, so it's now or
>> never. Just wondering if anyone has a great reason to add it, or not.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:20 PM Charles Derk <cderk@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Why are you considering it now? Just curious. So you feel you need one?
>>> I=99m still building but put one in...
>>>
>>> > On Sep 17, 2019, at 7:57 PM, David Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Is anyone out there sorry they got a yaw damper for their Garmin
>>> autopilot? I survived without for a long time but I'm considering one
>>> now. If there are comments, pro or con, I'd like to hear them.
>>> >
>>> > --Dave
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
In 260 hours of flying my RV-10, I have never felt the need for rudder
trim. A fixed tab or wedge takes care of getting rudder neutral in cruise,
and forces for climb or decent are minor. I don't think it is a good idea
to add weight of a trim motor and mechanism to the rear of a control
surface, at least without re-balancing the rudder to spec. The yaw damper
takes care of the minor trim needed as soon as you engage it. I'd certainly
recommend the YD over installing adjustable rudder trim.
Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 5:23 AM Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 433 hours since first flight 5/2015 and no yaw damper... I did install a
> Ray Allen motor for rudder trim with a switch on the stick....and use it
> periodically.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
I would counter this and say that the rudder trim is highly dependent on you
r situation. In my case I would go from single pilot to fully loaded to gro
ss, and in between. A wedge compensated for many flights but with big chang
es in cruise speed and loading, that=99s when the trim is handy. So i
f you=99re one of those who generally flies with one or two people max
or rarely has the plane fully loaded, you may not need it as much as someon
e else. There are more factors involved to be able to give a definite blank
et statement. I use mine much less on the RV14 than the 10.
Tim
> On Sep 18, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In 260 hours of flying my RV-10, I have never felt the need for rudder tri
m. A fixed tab or wedge takes care of getting rudder neutral in cruise, and f
orces for climb or decent are minor. I don't think it is a good idea to add w
eight of a trim motor and mechanism to the rear of a control surface, at lea
st without re-balancing the rudder to spec. The yaw damper takes care of the
minor trim needed as soon as you engage it. I'd certainly recommend the YD o
ver installing adjustable rudder trim.
> Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100
>
>
>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 5:23 AM Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 433 hours since first flight 5/2015 and no yaw damper... I did install a R
ay Allen motor for rudder trim with a switch on the stick....and use it peri
odically.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
What, if any, are the risk of adding an electric rudder trim tab?
Sent from Robert's
> On Sep 18, 2019, at 9:02 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> I would counter this and say that the rudder trim is highly dependent on y
our situation. In my case I would go from single pilot to fully loaded to g
ross, and in between. A wedge compensated for many flights but with big cha
nges in cruise speed and loading, that=99s when the trim is handy. So
if you=99re one of those who generally flies with one or two people m
ax or rarely has the plane fully loaded, you may not need it as much as some
one else. There are more factors involved to be able to give a definite bla
nket statement. I use mine much less on the RV14 than the 10.
> Tim
>
>> On Sep 18, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In 260 hours of flying my RV-10, I have never felt the need for rudder tr
im. A fixed tab or wedge takes care of getting rudder neutral in cruise, and
forces for climb or decent are minor. I don't think it is a good idea to ad
d weight of a trim motor and mechanism to the rear of a control surface, at l
east without re-balancing the rudder to spec. The yaw damper takes care of t
he minor trim needed as soon as you engage it. I'd certainly recommend the Y
D over installing adjustable rudder trim.
>> Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 5:23 AM Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote
:
>>>
>>> 433 hours since first flight 5/2015 and no yaw damper... I did install a
Ray Allen motor for rudder trim with a switch on the stick....and use it pe
riodically.
>>>
>>> ==========
>>> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Nav
igator?RV10-List
>>> ==========
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on
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>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
Many of us have an electric rudder trim tab. I use mine every flight, but
I think I could do a better job of aligning my gear leg fairings to keep th
e ball closer to center over a broader range of air speeds. (I plan on do
ing that once the wx cools off).
As far as (potential) risks:
- It does add weight to the rudder, therefore it could become unbalanced.
- It does add a surface that could flutter in the wind should the linkage br
eak.
As far as real world problems that I=99m aware of:
- None. We haven=99t had one fail to the point is causing any form o
f damage or an accident.
So the real risk is very small.
Phil
Phil Perry, EAA Lifetime #834284
President, EAA Chapter 59 - Waco, Texas
EAA=94The Spirit of Aviation
> On Sep 18, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Robert Skinner <robskinner@sbcglobal.net> wro
te:
>
> What, if any, are the risk of adding an electric rudder trim tab?
>
> Sent from Robert's
>
>
>> On Sep 18, 2019, at 9:02 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would counter this and say that the rudder trim is highly dependent on y
our situation. In my case I would go from single pilot to fully loaded to g
ross, and in between. A wedge compensated for many flights but with big cha
nges in cruise speed and loading, that=99s when the trim is handy. So
if you=99re one of those who generally flies with one or two people m
ax or rarely has the plane fully loaded, you may not need it as much as some
one else. There are more factors involved to be able to give a definite bla
nket statement. I use mine much less on the RV14 than the 10.
>> Tim
>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In 260 hours of flying my RV-10, I have never felt the need for rudder t
rim. A fixed tab or wedge takes care of getting rudder neutral in cruise, an
d forces for climb or decent are minor. I don't think it is a good idea to a
dd weight of a trim motor and mechanism to the rear of a control surface, at
least without re-balancing the rudder to spec. The yaw damper takes care of
the minor trim needed as soon as you engage it. I'd certainly recommend the
YD over installing adjustable rudder trim.
>>> Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 5:23 AM Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrot
e:
>>>>
>>>> 433 hours since first flight 5/2015 and no yaw damper... I did install a
Ray Allen motor for rudder trim with a switch on the stick....and use it pe
riodically.
>>>>
>>>> ==========
>>>> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Na
vigator?RV10-List
>>>> ==========
>>>> FORUMS -
>>>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
>>>> ==========
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>>>> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com
>>>> ==========
>>>> b Site -
>>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribut
ion
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
Kelly,
Yeah, I could do it later but at this point I'll at least run the wires
while the floor is opened up. But if you're seeing an improvement in the
ride, then I'm leaning towards it.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 9:37 PM Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave,
> I don't think you need to think of it as now or never. I know the Dynon
> equivalent can be added anytime you choose, as I installed mine about 3 y
rs
> after first flight. Just had to update configuration in the network and
> system activated those items in the menu. Once I got the calibration clos
e
> to what others found worked, it was very nice. I expect the Garmin versio
n
> would be very much the same. It takes some load off flying in light
> turbulence, and if you have back seat pax, I'm sure they would appreciate
> it. The Dynon system lets you put in independent switch to turn YD on or
> off separately from the AP. I expect you can do same with Garmin.
>
> Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 9:20 PM David Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We're switching to a G3X. That's another thread but since it would
>> include the AP, I'm considering the yaw damp option as well. The Garmin
>> mounting solution looks pretty easy, even as a retrofit, so it's now or
>> never. Just wondering if anyone has a great reason to add it, or not.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:20 PM Charles Derk <cderk@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Why are you considering it now? Just curious. So you feel you need one?
>>> I=99m still building but put one in...
>>>
>>> > On Sep 17, 2019, at 7:57 PM, David Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Is anyone out there sorry they got a yaw damper for their Garmin
>>> autopilot? I survived without for a long time but I'm considering one
>>> now. If there are comments, pro or con, I'd like to hear them.
>>> >
>>> > --Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> ==========
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>>> ==========
>>> FORUMS -
>>> /a>
>>> ==========
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>>> >
>>> ==========
>>> b Site -
>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>> tribution
>>> ==========
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
I have the same rudder trim. I installed in way back when because my
partner wanted it. Never thought I'd use it. Ended up loving it.
As I understand it, the Garmin servos have outputs to drive an external
trim motor as well. I have pitch autotrim now, and it's fantastic. I
wonder what yaw autotrim would be like. Never really thought about it.
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 5:23 AM Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 433 hours since first flight 5/2015 and no yaw damper... I did install a
> Ray Allen motor for rudder trim with a switch on the stick....and use it
> periodically.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
Is that a Garmin system?
Does the YD go off with AP disconnect, or do you have to turn it off
separately?
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:25 AM William Greenley <wgreenley@gmail.com>
wrote:
> One thing to note with the yaw dampener, make sure it is off before
> landing. I had turned off my autopilot but somehow turned on just the YD.
> Took a few seconds to figure out my the plane was arguing when I was
> setting up for a crosswind landing.
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 12:37 AM Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote
:
>
>> Dave,
>> I don't think you need to think of it as now or never. I know the Dynon
>> equivalent can be added anytime you choose, as I installed mine about 3
yrs
>> after first flight. Just had to update configuration in the network and
>> system activated those items in the menu. Once I got the calibration clo
se
>> to what others found worked, it was very nice. I expect the Garmin versi
on
>> would be very much the same. It takes some load off flying in light
>> turbulence, and if you have back seat pax, I'm sure they would appreciat
e
>> it. The Dynon system lets you put in independent switch to turn YD on or
>> off separately from the AP. I expect you can do same with Garmin.
>>
>> Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 9:20 PM David Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We're switching to a G3X. That's another thread but since it would
>>> include the AP, I'm considering the yaw damp option as well. The Garmi
n
>>> mounting solution looks pretty easy, even as a retrofit, so it's now or
>>> never. Just wondering if anyone has a great reason to add it, or not.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:20 PM Charles Derk <cderk@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why are you considering it now? Just curious. So you feel you need one
?
>>>> I=99m still building but put one in...
>>>>
>>>> > On Sep 17, 2019, at 7:57 PM, David Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Is anyone out there sorry they got a yaw damper for their Garmin
>>>> autopilot? I survived without for a long time but I'm considering one
>>>> now. If there are comments, pro or con, I'd like to hear them.
>>>> >
>>>> > --Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ==========
>>>> igator?RV10-List
>>>> ==========
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>>>> /a>
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>>>> >
>>>> ==========
>>>> b Site -
>>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>>> tribution
>>>> ==========
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
It's easy enough to re-balance. I used the access panel kit for the stall
switch and mounted the ray allen motor to the cover. It's about
mid-rudder. It's been to VNE, no issues, not pushing it past that.
Might change the pivot screw though ;-)
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:36 AM Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> In 260 hours of flying my RV-10, I have never felt the need for rudder
> trim. A fixed tab or wedge takes care of getting rudder neutral in cruise,
> and forces for climb or decent are minor. I don't think it is a good idea
> to add weight of a trim motor and mechanism to the rear of a control
> surface, at least without re-balancing the rudder to spec. The yaw damper
> takes care of the minor trim needed as soon as you engage it. I'd certainly
> recommend the YD over installing adjustable rudder trim.
>
> Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 5:23 AM Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> 433 hours since first flight 5/2015 and no yaw damper... I did install a
>> Ray Allen motor for rudder trim with a switch on the stick....and use it
>> periodically.
>>
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>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
Kelly is right, you should rebalance the rudder to specs if you add weight
to it. And if the pushrod failed then the tab would be free in the
slipstream, as any trim tab would. I imagine it would streamline, but no
one knows for sure unless they've tested it. Personally I haven't heard
any rudder trim horror stories.
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 7:26 AM Robert Skinner <robskinner@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> What, if any, are the risk of adding an electric rudder trim tab?
>
> Sent from Robert's
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2019, at 9:02 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> I would counter this and say that the rudder trim is highly dependent on
> your situation. In my case I would go from single pilot to fully loaded
to
> gross, and in between. A wedge compensated for many flights but with big
> changes in cruise speed and loading, that=99s when the trim is hand
y. So if
> you=99re one of those who generally flies with one or two people ma
x or
> rarely has the plane fully loaded, you may not need it as much as someone
> else. There are more factors involved to be able to give a definite
> blanket statement. I use mine much less on the RV14 than the 10.
> Tim
>
> On Sep 18, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In 260 hours of flying my RV-10, I have never felt the need for rudder
> trim. A fixed tab or wedge takes care of getting rudder neutral in cruise
,
> and forces for climb or decent are minor. I don't think it is a good idea
> to add weight of a trim motor and mechanism to the rear of a control
> surface, at least without re-balancing the rudder to spec. The yaw damper
> takes care of the minor trim needed as soon as you engage it. I'd certain
ly
> recommend the YD over installing adjustable rudder trim.
>
> Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 5:23 AM Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> 433 hours since first flight 5/2015 and no yaw damper... I did install a
>> Ray Allen motor for rudder trim with a switch on the stick....and use it
>> periodically.
>>
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>> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> ==========
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>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
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>> ==========
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>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on
>> ==========
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
Also, unlike pitch trim, my rudder trim isn't very powerful. I've had it
to the stop in cruise and it's not overwhelming. Pitch is a...you know.
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 7:26 AM Robert Skinner <robskinner@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> What, if any, are the risk of adding an electric rudder trim tab?
>
> Sent from Robert's
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2019, at 9:02 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> I would counter this and say that the rudder trim is highly dependent on
> your situation. In my case I would go from single pilot to fully loaded
to
> gross, and in between. A wedge compensated for many flights but with big
> changes in cruise speed and loading, that=99s when the trim is hand
y. So if
> you=99re one of those who generally flies with one or two people ma
x or
> rarely has the plane fully loaded, you may not need it as much as someone
> else. There are more factors involved to be able to give a definite
> blanket statement. I use mine much less on the RV14 than the 10.
> Tim
>
> On Sep 18, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In 260 hours of flying my RV-10, I have never felt the need for rudder
> trim. A fixed tab or wedge takes care of getting rudder neutral in cruise
,
> and forces for climb or decent are minor. I don't think it is a good idea
> to add weight of a trim motor and mechanism to the rear of a control
> surface, at least without re-balancing the rudder to spec. The yaw damper
> takes care of the minor trim needed as soon as you engage it. I'd certain
ly
> recommend the YD over installing adjustable rudder trim.
>
> Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 5:23 AM Terry Moushon <tmoushon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> 433 hours since first flight 5/2015 and no yaw damper... I did install a
>> Ray Allen motor for rudder trim with a switch on the stick....and use it
>> periodically.
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