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1. 05:19 AM - Re: Hangar winch (bob88)
2. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: Hangar winch (Tim Olson)
3. 06:55 AM - RV-10 Cover (Marcus Cooper)
4. 08:30 AM - Re: RV-10 Cover (Tim Olson)
5. 08:31 AM - Re: Hangar winch (bob88)
6. 08:54 AM - Re: RV-10 Cover (David Maib)
7. 11:02 AM - Re: RV-10 Cover (Marcus Cooper)
8. 12:00 PM - Re: RV-10 Cover (Tim Olson)
9. 12:13 PM - Re: RV-10 Cover (Tim Olson)
10. 12:36 PM - Re: RV-10 Cover (Marcus Cooper)
11. 12:43 PM - Re: RV-10 Cover (Marcus Cooper)
12. 01:11 PM - Re: RV-10 Cover (Bob Leffler)
13. 02:34 PM - Re: RV-10 Cover (Marcus Cooper)
14. 03:33 PM - Re: RV-10 Cover (David Maib)
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| Subject: | Re: Hangar winch |
I also have the uphill problem and would like some more detail on your setup. First,
this is a 12 v winch; what is your power source? How is it mounted? I don't
have structure on the hangar wall and would have to anchor it to the floor;
do you think that would work? Where do you hook it to the plane; tail tie down
or elsewhere? Do you have to steer the nose wheel with a towbar while winching?
Thanks for your ideas and experience on this.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495491#495491
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| Subject: | Re: Hangar winch |
I will fill you in on what I use. I've had a couple iterations over the
many years.
Originally, I had a cheap harbor freight 12V winch with a key fob
remote. It did
work, but it was irritating because of a couple things. First, if you
get a winch
that can run continuously after hitting "retract" you have to be careful
in a T-Hangar
because it wouldn't be that hard to have it get out of alignment and
smack the
tail on the corner or snag a wingtip. Well, my 12V winch didn't run
continuously,
but it only ran for like 1 second per push. The problem with that one
was that
you had to repeatedly push the button and it was super slow. Also, the
winch
was poor quality and jammed on me a couple times.
It did work, and I ran it with one of my used PC925 batteries out of the
RV-10.
Later on, however, I finally got what I really wanted. Harbor freight sells
electric hoists with remote controls. They sell 440lb, 880lb, 1300lb and
2000lb models.
https://www.harborfreight.com/material-handling/ropes-chains-hoists/hoists-cranes.html
Back when I bought mine, I got the 880 or 1300lb model...can't remember
which,
but it was because the spec sheet said it was faster than the one below it.
Now they all seem to say that the single line speed is 33 fpm. If
that's true, than
even the smallest one would do. 33fpm is much faster than my old 12V winch.
With this hoist, I have a system that runs fast enough that it doesn't
take forever
and moves about the right speed. You could extend the remote easy enough
by connecting in a longer cable, or I think they may even sell a remote
adapter for some of them. I didn't want a long remote cable because if
you mount
this by the tail, you'd be looking at maybe 60' of length that you'd have to
string out to use it. So I did it a little differently. I chopped off
the remote,
connected in an Arduino style wireless controller with relay board, and
substituted
the remote for a web controlled system. I have wifi in the hangar so making
it run with web urls meant that I could do some custom things like make
controlled retract times and such. So I can click a button and say I want
1/5/10/15/30 seconds of retract time, and it just goes. I also have
stop control
at any point. The hoist itself works real well and I'm happy with it
for when
I need it. If there is ice on the ramp, there's no other way I could
get the plane
in. I do think that for most people, I'd look into the wireless remotes you
can hook to these things. I think they're available...maybe not from Harbor
Freight, but I think you can get them.
To mount them, you really would have a couple choices. If your back wall
is tough
you could mount it there. Mine isn't. So what I did was this:
I used a masonry saw blade and cut a 12"x12" square out of my hangar floor
asphalt. I then dug out a cube about 12"x12"x12" out of the ground, and
bought a couple turnbuckles that are about a foot long with 1/2" threaded
eyelets on them. I stood those up so the turnbuckle would be flush with the
floor, mixed a bag or two of concrete, and poured it in level. Now I have 2
threaded sockets in the floor that I can screw bolts into. Make sure you
put the turnbuckle in the right way, because otherwise one end uses reverse
threads. I can't remember exactly how the hoist is bolted to the
floor...but
I think I just have a piece of steel or wood bolted to the hoist that
has holes
for those floor sockets. So I just set the hoist on the floor and spin
a couple
of retaining bolts in, plug it in, and it's ready to go. I only need to use
it a handful of times a year, so I don't leave it on the floor permanently.
As far as usage goes, I hook it to the tail tiedown. I didn't want to
accidentally
crank the airplane to the floor, so I have a section of rope that I
connect to the
plane, that connects to the winch hook. You do still have to steer the nose
while winching. The tail tiedown is plenty strong for this. The
rolling load
of the RV-10 is not really all that high. Think about how those towbar
pins are...they're just the black oxide bolts in an aluminum fork. Those
aren't all that much stronger than the tail tiedown and you don't
have to push/pull with thousands of pounds of force to tow a plane...only
maybe a couple hundred max.
The hoist to me seems like a much more ideal device than the winches,
if you can get a good control for it that is extended. Whatever you get,
make sure you can have the controller in hand or on you while you
run it, even if it takes some ingenuity.
Tim
On 3/31/2020 7:19 AM, bob88 wrote:
>
> I also have the uphill problem and would like some more detail on your setup.
First, this is a 12 v winch; what is your power source? How is it mounted? I
don't have structure on the hangar wall and would have to anchor it to the floor;
do you think that would work? Where do you hook it to the plane; tail tie
down or elsewhere? Do you have to steer the nose wheel with a towbar while winching?
Thanks for your ideas and experience on this.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495491#495491
>
>
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My cover has valiantly withstood sun, rain, snow and wind for 17 years but this
weekend finally succumbed to the Chicago wind and shredded quite spectacularly.
My Google search only shows the Bruce cover nowadays, are their any other
options or recommendations?
Thanks,
Marcus
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Have you tried Flightline? They may still offer them, I'm not sure.
They get so busy, but maybe they keep some made up in stock?
Tim
On 3/31/20 8:47 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
> My cover has valiantly withstood sun, rain, snow and wind for 17 years but this
weekend finally succumbed to the Chicago wind and shredded quite spectacularly.
My Google search only shows the Bruce cover nowadays, are their any other
options or recommendations?
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hangar winch |
Thanks Tim...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=495496#495496
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I went through two Flightline covers. They seem like start breaking down and leaving
a residue on the airplane after a few years. I wonder if the FL coastal
climate has something to do with this. Abby at Flightline has been wonderful
to work with. After the last one began deteriorating, I took advantage of a special
Bruce Covers had two or three years ago. (might have been Airventure or
Sun n Fun). I got the light weight travel cover. Im very happy with it. Excellent
quality and they will customize for antennas, lights, etc. So far its holding
up well.
David Maib
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 11:37, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>
> Have you tried Flightline? They may still offer them, I'm not sure.
> They get so busy, but maybe they keep some made up in stock?
> Tim
>
>> On 3/31/20 8:47 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>> My cover has valiantly withstood sun, rain, snow and wind for 17 years but this
weekend finally succumbed to the Chicago wind and shredded quite spectacularly.
My Google search only shows the Bruce cover nowadays, are their any other
options or recommendations?
>> Thanks,
>> Marcus
>
>
>
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Thats what I had the first time. I liked how compact it is and I just saw it on
their website. The Bruce cover looks nicer but I wonder how bulky it is when
stuffed in the cargo hold?
Thanks,
Marcus
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 11:28, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>
> Have you tried Flightline? They may still offer them, I'm not sure.
> They get so busy, but maybe they keep some made up in stock?
> Tim
>
>> On 3/31/20 8:47 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>> My cover has valiantly withstood sun, rain, snow and wind for 17 years but this
weekend finally succumbed to the Chicago wind and shredded quite spectacularly.
My Google search only shows the Bruce cover nowadays, are their any other
options or recommendations?
>> Thanks,
>> Marcus
>
>
>
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I know Scott has one and likes it. It's multiple times bigger and
heavier though. I think it's about the size of a 5 gallon pail
or so when packed. Is that correct, Scott? If you're not usually
packed tight, that may still work.
Tim
On 3/31/20 12:58 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
> Thats what I had the first time. I liked how compact it is and I just saw it
on their website. The Bruce cover looks nicer but I wonder how bulky it is when
stuffed in the cargo hold?
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 11:28, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Have you tried Flightline? They may still offer them, I'm not sure.
>> They get so busy, but maybe they keep some made up in stock?
>> Tim
>>
>>> On 3/31/20 8:47 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>> My cover has valiantly withstood sun, rain, snow and wind for 17 years but
this weekend finally succumbed to the Chicago wind and shredded quite spectacularly.
My Google search only shows the Bruce cover nowadays, are their any other
options or recommendations?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marcus
>>
>>
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I didn't know they made a light travel cover. That's interesting.
If you have any pics of it on and off/packed, I'd be interested
to see what it looks like. Just so I'm more informed as to
what's out there. My original Flightline cover is still holding up
after many many years, but, I probably only use it maybe 30
days a year....Oshkosh plus maybe a couple trips and some misc days.
It hasn't set out in the sun as an extended cover ever. For that
kind of purpose I would recommend Bruce's big cover for sure.
Tim
On 3/31/20 10:51 AM, David Maib wrote:
>
> I went through two Flightline covers. They seem like start breaking down and
leaving a residue on the airplane after a few years. I wonder if the FL coastal
climate has something to do with this. Abby at Flightline has been wonderful
to work with. After the last one began deteriorating, I took advantage of a
special Bruce Covers had two or three years ago. (might have been Airventure or
Sun n Fun). I got the light weight travel cover. Im very happy with it. Excellent
quality and they will customize for antennas, lights, etc. So far its holding
up well.
>
> David Maib
>
>
>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 11:37, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Have you tried Flightline? They may still offer them, I'm not sure.
>> They get so busy, but maybe they keep some made up in stock?
>> Tim
>>
>>> On 3/31/20 8:47 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>> My cover has valiantly withstood sun, rain, snow and wind for 17 years but
this weekend finally succumbed to the Chicago wind and shredded quite spectacularly.
My Google search only shows the Bruce cover nowadays, are their any other
options or recommendations?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Thanks, I had a feeling it was bulkier but thats pretty hefty. Ive left messages
with Flightline, hopefully they are at least partially in operation.
Marcus
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 14:57, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>
> I know Scott has one and likes it. It's multiple times bigger and heavier though.
I think it's about the size of a 5 gallon pail
> or so when packed. Is that correct, Scott? If you're not usually
> packed tight, that may still work.
> Tim
>
>
>> On 3/31/20 12:58 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>> Thats what I had the first time. I liked how compact it is and I just saw it
on their website. The Bruce cover looks nicer but I wonder how bulky it is when
stuffed in the cargo hold?
>> Thanks,
>> Marcus
>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 11:28, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Have you tried Flightline? They may still offer them, I'm not sure.
>>> They get so busy, but maybe they keep some made up in stock?
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>> On 3/31/20 8:47 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>> My cover has valiantly withstood sun, rain, snow and wind for 17 years but
this weekend finally succumbed to the Chicago wind and shredded quite spectacularly.
My Google search only shows the Bruce cover nowadays, are their any other
options or recommendations?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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I had a Flightline but dont know if theyve modified it over the years. Mine was
very light and compact, about the size of a football rolled up and extremely
light. Served me well and a whole lot cheaper. However my machine will be outdoors
a lot more now so perhaps I should consider the Bruce cover.
Marcus
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 15:02, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>
> I didn't know they made a light travel cover. That's interesting.
> If you have any pics of it on and off/packed, I'd be interested
> to see what it looks like. Just so I'm more informed as to
> what's out there. My original Flightline cover is still holding up
> after many many years, but, I probably only use it maybe 30
> days a year....Oshkosh plus maybe a couple trips and some misc days.
> It hasn't set out in the sun as an extended cover ever. For that
> kind of purpose I would recommend Bruce's big cover for sure.
>
> Tim
>
>
>> On 3/31/20 10:51 AM, David Maib wrote:
>> I went through two Flightline covers. They seem like start breaking down and
leaving a residue on the airplane after a few years. I wonder if the FL coastal
climate has something to do with this. Abby at Flightline has been wonderful
to work with. After the last one began deteriorating, I took advantage of a
special Bruce Covers had two or three years ago. (might have been Airventure
or Sun n Fun). I got the light weight travel cover. Im very happy with it. Excellent
quality and they will customize for antennas, lights, etc. So far its holding
up well.
>> David Maib
>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 11:37, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Have you tried Flightline? They may still offer them, I'm not sure.
>>> They get so busy, but maybe they keep some made up in stock?
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>> On 3/31/20 8:47 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>> My cover has valiantly withstood sun, rain, snow and wind for 17 years but
this weekend finally succumbed to the Chicago wind and shredded quite spectacularly.
My Google search only shows the Bruce cover nowadays, are their any other
options or recommendations?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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That=92s about the size of Bruce=92s heavier cover. I=92ve got one for my
RV-10, but I only use it a few times a year. It=92s survived six Airvent
ure=92s and still looks like new. Considering the abuse it got their the l
ast years, it=92s held up well.
I also had one on my Cherokee 180, which a ramp queen for a few years. It
held up well to snow, wind, and rain.
I can=92t speak to Bruce=92s lighter cover.
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Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 3:33:10 PM
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Thanks, I had a feeling it was bulkier but that=92s pretty hefty. I=92ve l
eft messages with Flightline, hopefully they are at least partially in oper
ation.
Marcus
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 14:57, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>
> I know Scott has one and likes it. It's multiple times bigger and heavier
though. I think it's about the size of a 5 gallon pail
> or so when packed. Is that correct, Scott? If you're not usually
> packed tight, that may still work.
> Tim
>
>
>> On 3/31/20 12:58 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>> That=92s what I had the first time. I liked how compact it is and I just
saw it on their website. The Bruce cover looks nicer but I wonder how bulk
y it is when stuffed in the cargo hold?
>> Thanks,
>> Marcus
>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 11:28, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Have you tried Flightline? They may still offer them, I'm not sure.
>>> They get so busy, but maybe they keep some made up in stock?
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>> On 3/31/20 8:47 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>> My cover has valiantly withstood sun, rain, snow and wind for 17 years
but this weekend finally succumbed to the Chicago wind and shredded quite
spectacularly. My Google search only shows the Bruce cover nowadays, are t
heir any other options or recommendations?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>
>
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Thanks. I see now Bruce makes 2 versions. The heavier duty also comes with
an equally hefty price tag. I received an email from Flightline and they a
re down to just the two owners working so won=99t have any covers unti
l =9Cthe end of the month=9D, I=99m presuming end of April
since I just received the email. Great product for significantly less but a
s I now will be outdoors most of the time I=99m reevaluating.
Marcus
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 4:05 PM, Bob Leffler <bob@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> That=99s about the size of Bruce=99s heavier cover. I=99
ve got one for my RV-10, but I only use it a few times a year. It=99
s survived six Airventure=99s and still looks like new. Considering t
he abuse it got their the last years, it=99s held up well.
>
> I also had one on my Cherokee 180, which a ramp queen for a few years. I
t held up well to snow, wind, and rain.
>
> I can=99t speak to Bruce=99s lighter cover.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@matroni
cs.com> on behalf of Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 3:33:10 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV-10 Cover
>
>
> Thanks, I had a feeling it was bulkier but that=99s pretty hefty. I
=99ve left messages with Flightline, hopefully they are at least parti
ally in operation.
>
> Marcus
>
> > On Mar 31, 2020, at 14:57, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I know Scott has one and likes it. It's multiple times bigger and heavie
r though. I think it's about the size of a 5 gallon pail
> > or so when packed. Is that correct, Scott? If you're not usually
> > packed tight, that may still work.
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >> On 3/31/20 12:58 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
> >> That=99s what I had the first time. I liked how compact it is and
I just saw it on their website. The Bruce cover looks nicer but I wonder ho
w bulky it is when stuffed in the cargo hold?
> >> Thanks,
> >> Marcus
> >>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 11:28, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Have you tried Flightline? They may still offer them, I'm not sure.
> >>> They get so busy, but maybe they keep some made up in stock?
> >>> Tim
> >>>
> >>>> On 3/31/20 8:47 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
> >>>> My cover has valiantly withstood sun, rain, snow and wind for 17 year
s but this weekend finally succumbed to the Chicago wind and shredded quite s
pectacularly. My Google search only shows the Bruce cover nowadays, are the
ir any other options or recommendations?
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Marcus
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
>
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The light travel cover bag is a little bigger, but can be squished down (technical
term) to just a bit bigger than the Flightline bag. Its lightweight. The silver
reflective material on the Flightline cover is what repeatedly broke down
on mine. No photos, but will take some tomorrow as I am being socially isolated
at the hangar every day. Amazing how much Im getting done!
David Maib
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 15:21, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>
> I didn't know they made a light travel cover. That's interesting.
> If you have any pics of it on and off/packed, I'd be interested
> to see what it looks like. Just so I'm more informed as to
> what's out there. My original Flightline cover is still holding up
> after many many years, but, I probably only use it maybe 30
> days a year....Oshkosh plus maybe a couple trips and some misc days.
> It hasn't set out in the sun as an extended cover ever. For that
> kind of purpose I would recommend Bruce's big cover for sure.
>
> Tim
>
>
>> On 3/31/20 10:51 AM, David Maib wrote:
>> I went through two Flightline covers. They seem like start breaking down and
leaving a residue on the airplane after a few years. I wonder if the FL coastal
climate has something to do with this. Abby at Flightline has been wonderful
to work with. After the last one began deteriorating, I took advantage of a
special Bruce Covers had two or three years ago. (might have been Airventure
or Sun n Fun). I got the light weight travel cover. Im very happy with it. Excellent
quality and they will customize for antennas, lights, etc. So far its holding
up well.
>> David Maib
>>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 11:37, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Have you tried Flightline? They may still offer them, I'm not sure.
>>> They get so busy, but maybe they keep some made up in stock?
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>> On 3/31/20 8:47 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>>>> My cover has valiantly withstood sun, rain, snow and wind for 17 years but
this weekend finally succumbed to the Chicago wind and shredded quite spectacularly.
My Google search only shows the Bruce cover nowadays, are their any other
options or recommendations?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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