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1. 05:54 AM - TruTrak Sorcerer AP (Doc)
2. 06:20 AM - Re: TruTrak Sorcerer AP (Bob Leffler)
3. 07:24 AM - Re: TruTrak Sorcerer AP (Don McDonald)
4. 09:29 AM - Re: TruTrak Sorcerer AP (David Saylor)
5. 10:36 AM - Sorcerer to AeroCruze replacement (Doc)
6. 11:41 AM - Re: TruTrak Sorcerer AP (Bob Turner)
7. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: TruTrak Sorcerer AP (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
8. 03:47 PM - Yaw Damper wiring diagram (Phil Perry)
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| Subject: | TruTrak Sorcerer AP |
Guys: I built a second RV10 a year ago and installed a Sorcerer AP. In
completing Phase I fly off and getting all the bugs out of it, we found
out that the Sorcerer would laterally track intermittently. Called
TruTrak in February to see about getting it fixed. Stephen at TruTrak
said I needed to send it to MidContinent in Wichita for repairs as
TruTrak was now owned by Bendix King (I found out as of last July).
Stephen Told me that TruTrak no longer makes, sells or supports the
Sorcerer but would see that I got my Sorcerer fixed. Bruce at
MidContinent says that Stephen has not sent them the repair manuals.
Here I am with with out a Sorcerer AP head.
Would any of you have a Sorcerer head (used or new) that you would part
with? Stephen tells me that the TruTrak xCruze uses the same servos but
has a different wiring harness PIN-OUT in case any of you have the
servos installed but might have reservations about installing the
Sorcerer head. Knowing what I know now, I certainly would not install a
Sorcerer if I had it on hand and not done so already. I am not sure I
would install any TruTrak AP. Doc N784DC docclv@windstream.net
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| Subject: | Re: TruTrak Sorcerer AP |
What EFIS do you have?
With most of the major vendors, you can swap out the Trutrak servos with th
e EFIS vendor servos for less than$2k. For many of us, that want an option
when we built. But it=92s an option available now. I=92ll avoid the deb
ate about redundancy and having an external AP head.
I think the blunder that Andrew made is that Bendix King reduce their deale
rs significantly last fall. Many of those left aren=92t EAB friendly or ch
arge rates that only corporate flight department can afford. This isn=92t
a support model that is going to be well received by the EAB community, in
which Trutrak built their business upon.
I am of the opinion that not only does the gear need to continue to work, b
ut access to quick, reasonable support, with reasonable costs is a requirem
ent. Eliminate one of these options for me and I=92ll start look for other
solutions.
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s.com> on behalf of Doc <docclv@windstream.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:52:36 AM
Subject: RV10-List: TruTrak Sorcerer AP
Guys: I built a second RV10 a year ago and installed a Sorcerer AP. In
completing Phase I fly off and getting all the bugs out of it, we found
out that the Sorcerer would laterally track intermittently. Called
TruTrak in February to see about getting it fixed. Stephen at TruTrak
said I needed to send it to MidContinent in Wichita for repairs as
TruTrak was now owned by Bendix King (I found out as of last July).
Stephen Told me that TruTrak no longer makes, sells or supports the
Sorcerer but would see that I got my Sorcerer fixed. Bruce at
MidContinent says that Stephen has not sent them the repair manuals.
Here I am with with out a Sorcerer AP head.
Would any of you have a Sorcerer head (used or new) that you would part
with? Stephen tells me that the TruTrak xCruze uses the same servos but
has a different wiring harness PIN-OUT in case any of you have the
servos installed but might have reservations about installing the
Sorcerer head. Knowing what I know now, I certainly would not install a
Sorcerer if I had it on hand and not done so already. I am not sure I
would install any TruTrak AP. Doc N784DC docclv@windstream.net
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| Subject: | Re: TruTrak Sorcerer AP |
I had the right servo fail on my TruTak DigiFltII.=C2- Ran into the same
issue.... MidContinent was nice enough, but had none of the stuff needed f
or necessary repairs.=C2- Bought a new motor on ebay for $40, and had a f
riend trouble shoot the circuit board.=C2- It had 2 components that had f
ailed.=C2- He replaced those, and resoldered some other areas that wern't
done originally to his satisfaction.=C2- Works great now.=C2- But mayb
e at some point will have to addres this issue again.=C2- This appears to
be exactly the same scenario everyone is running into with Plane Power and
Skytech, when they were sold.=C2- Both companies were VERY EAB friendly.
=C2- I live in Granbury Texas, which where the two companies were located
, and it's owners and workforce were my neighbors.=C2- Since I didn't liv
e here when building the 10, I had installed B&C alternators and starter.
=C2- I'll be their sales increased not long after Hartzell purchase Plane
Power and Skytech.Don=C2- =C2-1,200 hours and still loving it.
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 08:31:33 AM CDT, Bob Leffler <bob@theleff
lers.com> wrote:
What EFIS do you have?
With most of the major vendors, you can swap out the Trutrak servos with th
e EFIS vendor servos for less than$2k. =C2-For many of us, that want an o
ption when we built. =C2-=C2-But it=99s an option available now.
=C2-I=99ll avoid the debate about redundancy and having an external
AP head.
I think the blunder that Andrew made is that Bendix King reduce their deale
rs significantly last fall. =C2-Many of those left aren=99t EAB fri
endly or charge rates that only corporate flight department can afford. =C2
-=C2-This isn=99t a support model that is going to be well receiv
ed by the EAB community, in which Trutrak built their business upon.
I am of the opinion that not only does the gear need to continue to work, b
ut access to quick, reasonable support, with reasonable costs is a requirem
ent. =C2-Eliminate one of these options for me and I=99ll start loo
k for other solutions.
Get Outlook for iOSFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-l
ist-server@matronics.com> on behalf of Doc <docclv@windstream.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 8:52:36 AM
Subject: RV10-List: TruTrak Sorcerer AP=C2---> RV10-List message posted b
y: Doc <docclv@windstream.net>
Guys:=C2- I built a second RV10 a year ago and installed a Sorcerer AP.
=C2- In
completing Phase I fly off and getting all the bugs out of it, we found
out that the Sorcerer would laterally track intermittently.=C2- Called
TruTrak in February to see about getting it fixed.=C2- Stephen at TruTrak
said I needed to send it to MidContinent in Wichita for repairs as
TruTrak was now owned by Bendix King (I found out as of last July).=C2-
Stephen Told me that TruTrak no longer makes, sells or supports the
Sorcerer but would see that I got my Sorcerer fixed.=C2- Bruce at
MidContinent says that Stephen has not sent them the repair manuals.=C2-
Here I am with with out a Sorcerer AP head.
Would any of you have a Sorcerer head (used or new) that you would part
with?=C2- Stephen tells me that the TruTrak xCruze uses the same servos b
ut
has a different wiring harness PIN-OUT in case any of you have the
servos installed but might have reservations about installing the
Sorcerer head.=C2- Knowing what I know now, I certainly would not install
a
Sorcerer if I had it on hand and not done so already.=C2- I am not sure I
would install any TruTrak AP.=C2- Doc N784DC docclv@windstream.net
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| Subject: | Re: TruTrak Sorcerer AP |
Doc,
I had a similar scenario and ended up talking to Bruce at MCI as well. He
offered to upgrade my (AFS branded) TruTrak to the AeroCruze for $750. I
was told that my 12 year old servos are compatible. As for the connector,
Bruce said he difference was only one wire, moved to a different pin. I
could move it myself, or buy their $150 adapter. Personally the upgrade
would make sense. YMMV.
--Dave
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 5:58 AM Doc <docclv@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> Guys: I built a second RV10 a year ago and installed a Sorcerer AP. In
> completing Phase I fly off and getting all the bugs out of it, we found
> out that the Sorcerer would laterally track intermittently. Called
> TruTrak in February to see about getting it fixed. Stephen at TruTrak
> said I needed to send it to MidContinent in Wichita for repairs as
> TruTrak was now owned by Bendix King (I found out as of last July).
> Stephen Told me that TruTrak no longer makes, sells or supports the
> Sorcerer but would see that I got my Sorcerer fixed. Bruce at
> MidContinent says that Stephen has not sent them the repair manuals.
> Here I am with with out a Sorcerer AP head.
> Would any of you have a Sorcerer head (used or new) that you would part
> with? Stephen tells me that the TruTrak xCruze uses the same servos but
> has a different wiring harness PIN-OUT in case any of you have the
> servos installed but might have reservations about installing the
> Sorcerer head. Knowing what I know now, I certainly would not install a
> Sorcerer if I had it on hand and not done so already. I am not sure I
> would install any TruTrak AP. Doc N784DC docclv@windstream.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Sorcerer to AeroCruze replacement |
David: Thanks for the tip. My biggest concern in replacing my Sorcerer
if TruTRak doesn't come through is that the servos are compatible and
the wiring harness doesn't require major changes (That is a dreaded
thought to get under the panel and rewire). When I talked to Stephen
Gock at TruTrak several weeks ago he implied that the servos were
compatible on most TruTrak units. Donny Hernandes Says the Experimental
TruTrak units are now handeled in Edmo, WA and recommended I talk to a
Harold Christiansen in WA if he can't get some answers for me. I'll
post my outcome for our followers. What a let down from TruTrak.
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| Subject: | Re: TruTrak Sorcerer AP |
IMHO new builders now have just two choices: an EFIS driven autopilot, or a Trio
Pro for an independent autopilot. I think TruTrak shot themselves in the foot.
BTW, I have nothing but praise for the Trio autopilot and the company.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=496127#496127
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| Subject: | Re: TruTrak Sorcerer AP |
I still love my trutrak after all these 12 years. I hope it never goes out on me.
But if it does Im going to AFS for help.
Robert E Brunkenhoefer
> On Apr 29, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
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> IMHO new builders now have just two choices: an EFIS driven autopilot, or a Trio
Pro for an independent autopilot. I think TruTrak shot themselves in the foot.
BTW, I have nothing but praise for the Trio autopilot and the company.
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> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Yaw Damper wiring diagram |
With the trutrak discussion, it got me to thinking. Does anyone have a wiring
diagram for the Tru-Trak YD to a GX Pilot?
Ive found some diagrams for wiring it up to the Sorcerer, but never to the GX Pilot.
Anyone have any idea what the GX Pilot really is under the covers? Perhaps I can
find a TT document describing how to wire it up to one of their standard models?
Phil
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