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1. 09:14 AM - Magneto upgrade? (Marcus Cooper)
2. 01:29 PM - Re: Magneto upgrade? (Lenny Iszak)
3. 01:45 PM - Re: Magneto upgrade? (Kelly McMullen)
4. 02:02 PM - Re: Magneto upgrade? (Coop85)
5. 03:03 PM - Re: Magneto upgrade? (Phil Perry)
6. 03:56 PM - Re: Magneto upgrade? (Kelly McMullen)
7. 08:36 PM - Re: Magneto upgrade? (Marcus Cooper)
8. 08:49 PM - Re: Magneto upgrade? (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Magneto upgrade? |
During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the left magneto was
completely dead. Back to the chicks to troubleshoot where I removed the P leads
in case they had grounded somehow with no effect. I spoke with 3 mechanics
and all had no ideas other than replace the mag.
Ive read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other hybrid magnetos on
the market. I dont want to go pure electronic ignition due to other battery source
issues, but does anyone have any recommendations that would be a step up
from a pure magneto?
Thanks,
Marcus
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| Subject: | Re: Magneto upgrade? |
Marcus,
The easiest swap is the Surefly. Keep the same plugs, harness and magneto cap,
and just swap in the Surefly for the mag, then install a power wire and thats
it. If it ever breaks while on a trip you can always swap in a standard mag.
Theres only one minor issue with it, most current EFIS systems can't read the RPM
from the P-lead of the SureFly. Using a hall effect sensor in the other mag
takes care of that though.
Lenny
> On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the left magneto
was completely dead. Back to the chicks to troubleshoot where I removed the P
leads in case they had grounded somehow with no effect. I spoke with 3 mechanics
and all had no ideas other than replace the mag.
> Ive read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other hybrid magnetos on
the market. I dont want to go pure electronic ignition due to other battery source
issues, but does anyone have any recommendations that would be a step up
from a pure magneto?
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Magneto upgrade? |
Sheesh, I don't know how you pass the A&P practical if you can't do basic
trouble shooting on a mag.
If it won't fire with P lead disc, the problem is inside the mag, It could
be worn out points, bad condensor, damaged rotor.
A bad rotor will be pretty obvious from where it the contact is made at
each plug wire. Yes, it requires taking off the main rotor cap.
Slick mags have easy to get tools to verify e-gap setting.
Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100
On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 2:33 PM Lenny Iszak <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
wrote:
>
> Marcus,
>
> The easiest swap is the Surefly. Keep the same plugs, harness and magneto
> cap, and just swap in the Surefly for the mag, then install a power wire
> and that=99s it. If it ever breaks while on a trip you can always s
wap in a
> standard mag.
>
> There=99s only one minor issue with it, most current EFIS systems c
an't read
> the RPM from the P-lead of the SureFly. Using a hall effect sensor in the
> other mag takes care of that though.
>
> Lenny
>
> > On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the left
> magneto was completely dead. Back to the chicks to troubleshoot where I
> removed the P leads in case they had grounded somehow with no effect. I
> spoke with 3 mechanics and all had no ideas other than replace the mag.
> > I=99ve read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other hyb
rid
> magnetos on the market. I don=99t want to go pure electronic igniti
on due to
> other battery source issues, but does anyone have any recommendations tha
t
> would be a step up from a pure magneto?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marcus
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Magneto upgrade? |
Thanks Lenny,
On the G3X it doesnt read my mag anyway as it has different pulses than my
electronic ignition so thats not really an issue.
In the mechanics defense I only posed the question over the phone on first things
to look for that might be an easy fix. They were happy to dig into it in the
shop but we needed to head out of town.
Marcus
Lenny Iszak wrote:
> Marcus,
>
> The easiest swap is the Surefly. Keep the same plugs, harness and magneto cap,
and just swap in the Surefly for the mag, then install a power wire and thats
it. If it ever breaks while on a trip you can always swap in a standard mag.
>
> Theres only one minor issue with it, most current EFIS systems can't read the
RPM from the P-lead of the SureFly. Using a hall effect sensor in the other mag
takes care of that though.
>
> Lenny
>
>
> > On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the left magneto
was completely dead. Back to the chicks to troubleshoot where I removed the
P leads in case they had grounded somehow with no effect. I spoke with 3 mechanics
and all had no ideas other than replace the mag.
> > Ive read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other hybrid magnetos
on the market. I dont want to go pure electronic ignition due to other battery
source issues, but does anyone have any recommendations that would be a step
up from a pure magneto?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marcus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Marcus Cooper
RV-10 since 2006
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| Subject: | Re: Magneto upgrade? |
And I believe it requires a magneto with an impulse coupling on the other si
de. Correct?
I=99m pretty sure that is right.
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 25, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> Sheesh, I don't know how you pass the A&P practical if you can't do basic t
rouble shooting on a mag.
> If it won't fire with P lead disc, the problem is inside the mag, It could
be worn out points, bad condensor, damaged rotor.
> A bad rotor will be pretty obvious from where it the contact is made at ea
ch plug wire. Yes, it requires taking off the main rotor cap.
> Slick mags have easy to get tools to verify e-gap setting.
> Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 2:33 PM Lenny Iszak <lenard@rapiddecision.com> wro
te:
>>
>> Marcus,
>>
>> The easiest swap is the Surefly. Keep the same plugs, harness and magneto
cap, and just swap in the Surefly for the mag, then install a power wire an
d that=99s it. If it ever breaks while on a trip you can always swap i
n a standard mag.
>>
>> There=99s only one minor issue with it, most current EFIS systems c
an't read the RPM from the P-lead of the SureFly. Using a hall effect sensor
in the other mag takes care of that though.
>>
>> Lenny
>>
>> > On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the left ma
gneto was completely dead. Back to the chicks to troubleshoot where I remove
d the P leads in case they had grounded somehow with no effect. I spoke wit
h 3 mechanics and all had no ideas other than replace the mag.
>> > I=99ve read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other hyb
rid magnetos on the market. I don=99t want to go pure electronic ignit
ion due to other battery source issues, but does anyone have any recommendat
ions that would be a step up from a pure magneto?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Marcus
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Magneto upgrade? |
Standard setup is with impulse coupling on pilot's side. However, even
if the coupling had failed, it should still fire, early.
On 11/25/2020 4:02 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
> And I believe it requires a magneto with an impulse coupling on the
> other side. Correct?
>
> Im pretty sure that is right.
>
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 25, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Sheesh, I don't know how you pass the A&P practical if you can't do
>> basic trouble shooting on a mag.
>> If it won't fire with P lead disc, the problem is inside the mag, It
>> could be worn out points, bad condensor, damaged rotor.
>> A bad rotor will be pretty obvious from where it the contact is made
>> at each plug wire. Yes, it requires taking off the main rotor cap.
>> Slick mags have easy to get tools to verify e-gap setting.
>> Sent from myTRS-80 Model 100
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 2:33 PM Lenny Iszak <lenard@rapiddecision.com
>> <mailto:lenard@rapiddecision.com>> wrote:
>>
>> <lenard@rapiddecision.com <mailto:lenard@rapiddecision.com>>
>>
>> Marcus,
>>
>> The easiest swap is the Surefly. Keep the same plugs, harness and
>> magneto cap, and just swap in the Surefly for the mag, then
>> install a power wire and thats it. If it ever breaks while on a
>> trip you can always swap in a standard mag.
>>
>> Theres only one minor issue with it, most current EFIS systems
>> can't read the RPM from the P-lead of the SureFly. Using a hall
>> effect sensor in the other mag takes care of that though.
>>
>> Lenny
>>
>> > On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com
>> <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> <cooprv7@yahoo.com <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>>
>> >
>> > During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the
>> left magneto was completely dead. Back to the chicks to
>> troubleshoot where I removed the P leads in case they had grounded
>> somehow with no effect. I spoke with 3 mechanics and all had no
>> ideas other than replace the mag.
>> > Ive read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other
>> hybrid magnetos on the market. I dont want to go pure electronic
>> ignition due to other battery source issues, but does anyone have
>> any recommendations that would be a step up from a pure magneto?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Marcus
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Magneto upgrade? |
Yes, Ill be needing a magneto with an impulse coupling or a setup that will do
the same job of providing a spark at low rpm.
Thanks for the inputs,
Marcus
> On Nov 25, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
>
> Standard setup is with impulse coupling on pilot's side. However, even if the
coupling had failed, it should still fire, early.
>
>> On 11/25/2020 4:02 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
>> And I believe it requires a magneto with an impulse coupling on the other side.
Correct?
>> Im pretty sure that is right.
>> Phil
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Nov 25, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Sheesh, I don't know how you pass the A&P practical if you can't do basic trouble
shooting on a mag.
>>> If it won't fire with P lead disc, the problem is inside the mag, It could
be worn out points, bad condensor, damaged rotor.
>>> A bad rotor will be pretty obvious from where it the contact is made at each
plug wire. Yes, it requires taking off the main rotor cap.
>>> Slick mags have easy to get tools to verify e-gap setting.
>>> Sent from myTRS-80 Model 100
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 2:33 PM Lenny Iszak <lenard@rapiddecision.com <mailto:lenard@rapiddecision.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> <lenard@rapiddecision.com <mailto:lenard@rapiddecision.com>>
>>>
>>> Marcus,
>>>
>>> The easiest swap is the Surefly. Keep the same plugs, harness and
>>> magneto cap, and just swap in the Surefly for the mag, then
>>> install a power wire and thats it. If it ever breaks while on a
>>> trip you can always swap in a standard mag.
>>>
>>> Theres only one minor issue with it, most current EFIS systems
>>> can't read the RPM from the P-lead of the SureFly. Using a hall
>>> effect sensor in the other mag takes care of that though.
>>>
>>> Lenny
>>>
>>> > On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com
>>> <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> <cooprv7@yahoo.com <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>>
>>> >
>>> > During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the
>>> left magneto was completely dead. Back to the chicks to
>>> troubleshoot where I removed the P leads in case they had grounded
>>> somehow with no effect. I spoke with 3 mechanics and all had no
>>> ideas other than replace the mag.
>>> > Ive read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other
>>> hybrid magnetos on the market. I dont want to go pure electronic
>>> ignition due to other battery source issues, but does anyone have
>>> any recommendations that would be a step up from a pure magneto?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Marcus
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Magneto upgrade? |
If you do go Surefly you won't need the impulse coupler, and it fits in
the same drive that the impulse coupled mag does on the left side.
I just put one on a few months ago. It's working well so far.
I have lightspeed on the Right still, so it's dual electronic, which
you already said you didn't want to do, but, the engine does start
very nicely with the setup, and no worry about impulse coupler
failures.
Tim
On 11/25/20 10:35 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
> Yes, Ill be needing a magneto with an impulse coupling or a setup that will do
the same job of providing a spark at low rpm.
>
> Thanks for the inputs,
> Marcus
>
>> On Nov 25, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Standard setup is with impulse coupling on pilot's side. However, even if the
coupling had failed, it should still fire, early.
>>
>>> On 11/25/2020 4:02 PM, Phil Perry wrote:
>>> And I believe it requires a magneto with an impulse coupling on the other side.
Correct?
>>> Im pretty sure that is right.
>>> Phil
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Nov 25, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sheesh, I don't know how you pass the A&P practical if you can't do basic
trouble shooting on a mag.
>>>> If it won't fire with P lead disc, the problem is inside the mag, It could
be worn out points, bad condensor, damaged rotor.
>>>> A bad rotor will be pretty obvious from where it the contact is made at each
plug wire. Yes, it requires taking off the main rotor cap.
>>>> Slick mags have easy to get tools to verify e-gap setting.
>>>> Sent from myTRS-80 Model 100
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 2:33 PM Lenny Iszak <lenard@rapiddecision.com <mailto:lenard@rapiddecision.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <lenard@rapiddecision.com <mailto:lenard@rapiddecision.com>>
>>>>
>>>> Marcus,
>>>>
>>>> The easiest swap is the Surefly. Keep the same plugs, harness and
>>>> magneto cap, and just swap in the Surefly for the mag, then
>>>> install a power wire and thats it. If it ever breaks while on a
>>>> trip you can always swap in a standard mag.
>>>>
>>>> Theres only one minor issue with it, most current EFIS systems
>>>> can't read the RPM from the P-lead of the SureFly. Using a hall
>>>> effect sensor in the other mag takes care of that though.
>>>>
>>>> Lenny
>>>>
>>>> > On Nov 25, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com
>>>> <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> <cooprv7@yahoo.com <mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com>>
>>>> >
>>>> > During my run up to fly to meet the family for thanksgiving the
>>>> left magneto was completely dead. Back to the chicks to
>>>> troubleshoot where I removed the P leads in case they had grounded
>>>> somehow with no effect. I spoke with 3 mechanics and all had no
>>>> ideas other than replace the mag.
>>>> > Ive read some sporadic news about P Mags and maybe other
>>>> hybrid magnetos on the market. I dont want to go pure electronic
>>>> ignition due to other battery source issues, but does anyone have
>>>> any recommendations that would be a step up from a pure magneto?
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> > Marcus
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> ==========
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>>>>
>>
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