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1. 07:33 AM - Re: RV10-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 09/17/21 (dlm)
2. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: RV10-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 09/17/21 (Lew Gallagher)
3. 09:19 AM - Re: Strobe power supply (Marcus Cooper)
4. 12:04 PM - Re: G100UL (Charlie England)
5. 12:45 PM - Re: G100UL (Ken Cashwell)
6. 01:19 PM - Re: G100UL (Kelly McMullen)
7. 01:28 PM - Re: G100UL (Kelly McMullen)
8. 02:17 PM - Re: G100UL (Charlie England)
9. 03:19 PM - Re: G100UL (Kelly McMullen)
10. 03:36 PM - Re: Strobe power supply (Lew Gallagher)
11. 10:18 PM - Re: G100UL (Bob Turner)
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 09/17/21 |
I have a Whelen system that was working when removed, aging in my hangar; I
replaced mine with an LED system. I have the whole system including lights
, bulbs and power supply, no wiring.
David McNeill
4806264048
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> 1. 07:18 AM - G100UL (Kelly McMullen)
> 2. 08:04 AM - Re: G100UL (Charlie England)
> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: G100UL (Kelly McMullen)
> 4. 11:38 AM - Re: G100UL (dave@corwith.com)
> 5. 01:17 PM - Strobe Power Supply Replacement (Marcus Cooper)
> 6. 02:05 PM - Re: Strobe Power Supply Replacement (Lenny Iszak)
> 7. 02:37 PM - Re: Strobe Power Supply Replacement (Marcus Cooper)
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> Time: 07:18:42 AM PST US
> From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: G100UL
>
> Having just watched the AOPA webinar on the implementation of making this
> fuel available, the one area not addressed is whether amateur built
> experimental aircraft would need to do any paperwork to use the fuel. Type
> certificated aircraft will require an STC, just like they do for using
> mogas. Seems to me that we could just change our fuel placards to read
> G100UL or 100LL required, and start using it. Would be interesting to get
> EAA's opinion on this from one of their legal and technical experts.
> If we don't need anything, it would reduce GAMI's potential income a bit,
> although they still will get licensing/patent fees anyway.
> There is no question in my mind that any IO-540 that is currently installed
> in a -10 and runs satisfactorily on 100LL will be fine on G100UL.
> Especially since the stock engine was originally certified on 91/96 Avgas.
> Kelly
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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> Time: 08:04:42 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: G100UL
> From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
>
> On 9/17/2021 9:17 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> > Having just watched the AOPA webinar on the implementation of making
> > this fuel available, the one area not addressed is whether amateur
> > built experimental aircraft would need to do any paperwork to use the
> > fuel. Type certificated aircraft will require an STC, just like they
> > do for using mogas. Seems to me that we could just change our fuel
> > placards to read G100UL or 100LL required, and start using it. Would
> > be interesting to get EAA's opinion on this from one of their legal
> > and technical experts.
> > If we don't need anything, it would reduce GAMI's potential income a
> > bit, although they still will get licensing/patent fees anyway.
> > There is no question in my mind that any IO-540 that is currently
> > installed in a -10 and runs satisfactorily on 100LL will be fine on
> > G100UL.
> > Especially since the stock engine was originally certified on 91/96
> Avgas.
> > Kelly
> >
> I've never heard of any rule preventing homebuilts from running any fuel
> they want. No STC is required for a homebuilt. I've run 100LL, 93 E-free
> mogas, and 93 E-gas in homebuilts, and I know of quite a few others who
> run all variations too, down to 87 E-gas (in Mazda rotaries). I'm not
> saying it's smart to run 87 in a 10-1 compression angle valve engine;
> just that it isn't illegal.
>
> It should be relatively easy to get EAA's opinion; just ask.
>
> Charlie
>
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> Time: 08:30:49 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: G100UL
> From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
>
>
> I agree with you, although I have heard of FBOs that won't pump into a
> tank that doesn't have a placard allowing a specific grade of fuel..easy
> to fix with label maker. I would especially look forward to less
> maintenance in terms of fouled plugs, oil change intervals, etc.
> Kelly
>
> On 9/17/2021 8:08 AM, Charlie England wrote:
>
> >>
> > I've never heard of any rule preventing homebuilts from running any fuel
> > they want. No STC is required for a homebuilt. I've run 100LL, 93 E-free
> > mogas, and 93 E-gas in homebuilts, and I know of quite a few others who
> > run all variations too, down to 87 E-gas (in Mazda rotaries). I'm not
> > saying it's smart to run 87 in a 10-1 compression angle valve engine;
> > just that it isn't illegal.
> >
> > It should be relatively easy to get EAA's opinion; just ask.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
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> Time: 11:38:44 AM PST US
> From: dave@corwith.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: G100UL
>
> Just read the article in AOPA magazine. It states that the stc funds the
> development. About 1.50=24/hp i think. So a one time fee of 400-600=24 ge
> ts u a sticker. Not sure how expermental fits in
> Dave
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> On Sep 17, 2021, 11:07 -0400, Charlie England <ceengland7=40gmail.com>, w
> rote:
> > On 9/17/2021 9:17 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> > > Having just watched the AOPA webinar on the implementation of making
> this fuel available, the one area not addressed is whether amateur built
> experimental aircraft would need to do any paperwork to use the fuel. Typ
> e certificated aircraft will require an STC, just like they do for using
> mogas. Seems to me that we could just change our fuel placards to read G1
> 00UL or 100LL required, and start using it. Would be interesting to get E
> AA's opinion on this from one of their legal and technical experts.
> > > If we don't need anything, it would reduce GAMI's potential income a
> bit, although they still will get licensing/patent fees anyway.
> > > There is no question in my mind that any IO-540 that is currently ins
> talled in a -10 and runs satisfactorily on 100LL will be fine on G100UL.
> > > Especially since the stock engine was originally certified on 91/96 A
> vgas.
> > > Kelly
> > I've never heard of any rule preventing homebuilts from running any fue
> l they want. No STC is required for a homebuilt. I've run 100LL, 93 E-fre
> e mogas, and 93 E-gas in homebuilts, and I know of quite a few others who
> run all variations too, down to 87 E-gas (in Mazda rotaries). I'm not sa
> ying it's smart to run 87 in a 10-1 compression angle valve engine; just
> that it isn't illegal.
> >
> > It should be relatively easy to get EAA's opinion; just ask.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
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> Time: 01:17:26 PM PST US
> From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Strobe Power Supply Replacement
>
> I have a Strobes N More Pro 606 power supply driving my strobe lights and
> it has
> been working great, but the power supply connector has become loose after
> 16
> years and is intermittent. I'm not sure I can repair it so am looking for
> an
> alternative and it appears the model I have is no longer produced. I saw
> another
> by Preco that looks EXTREMELY similar to what I have, right down to the
> caution
> verbiage. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with these or other
> recommendations?
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:05:12 PM PST US
> From: Lenny Iszak <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Strobe Power Supply Replacement
>
> I=99m using these LED strobes, the older v2 version, and they=99
> ve been great. They fit the cutout of the Xenon bulbs you have.
>
> https://www.strobesnmore.com/feniex-cannon-v3-hide-away.html
> <https://www.strobesnmore.com/feniex-cannon-v3-hide-away.html>
>
> Lenny
>
>
> > On Sep 17, 2021, at 4:17 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a Strobes N More Pro 606 power supply driving my strobe lights
> and it has been working great, but the power supply connector has become
> loose after 16 years and is intermittent. I'm not sure I can repair it
> so am looking for an alternative and it appears the model I have is no
> longer produced. I saw another by Preco that looks EXTREMELY similar to
> what I have, right down to the caution verbiage. I was wondering if
> anyone has any experience with these or other recommendations?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marcus
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:37:39 PM PST US
> From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Strobe Power Supply Replacement
>
> Those are really neat! I=99m mostly looking for a new power supply, bu
> t these may very well be in my future.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> > On Sep 17, 2021, at 17:19, Lenny Iszak <lenard@rapiddecision.com> wrote:
> >
> > =EF=BBI=99m using these LED strobes, the older v2 version, and th
> ey=99ve been great. They fit the cutout of the Xenon bulbs you have.
> >
> > https://www.strobesnmore.com/feniex-cannon-v3-hide-away.html
> >
> > Lenny
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 17, 2021, at 4:17 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a Strobes N More Pro 606 power supply driving my strobe lights
> and
> it has been working great, but the power supply connector has become
> loose a
> fter 16 years and is intermittent. I'm not sure I can repair it so am
> lookin
> g for an alternative and it appears the model I have is no longer
> produced. I
> saw another by Preco that looks EXTREMELY similar to what I have, right
> dow
> n to the caution verbiage. I was wondering if anyone has any experience
> with
> these or other recommendations?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Marcus
> >
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 09/17/21 |
I also have a Whelen system sitting for years, and thought I'd pass along ,
just in case someone wants to plug yours in, I had read long ago that it is
advisable to put a big resistor in line when first powering it up after th
e big sleep.=C2- That keeps the completely discharged capacitors from blo
wing? I put an auto headlight bulb in line on first powerup and watched it
go from bright to dim to off in a few seconds.=C2- The power supply was f
ine - couldn't hurt.=C2- Later, - Lew
On 9/18/2021 10:35:12 AM, dlm <dlm34077@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Whelen system that was working when removed,=C2-aging in my hang
ar; I replaced mine with=C2-an LED system. I have the whole system includ
ing lights , bulbs and power supply, no wiring.
David McNeill
4806264048
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=C2- =C2- =C2-1. 07:18 AM - G100UL=C2- (Kelly McMullen)
=C2- =C2- =C2-2. 08:04 AM - Re: G100UL=C2- (Charlie England)
=C2- =C2- =C2-3. 08:30 AM - Re: G100UL=C2- (Kelly McMullen)
=C2- =C2- =C2-4. 11:38 AM - Re: G100UL=C2- (dave@corwith.com [mailt
o:dave@corwith.com])
=C2- =C2- =C2-5. 01:17 PM - Strobe Power Supply Replacement=C2- (Ma
rcus Cooper)
=C2- =C2- =C2-6. 02:05 PM - Re: Strobe Power Supply Replacement=C2-
(Lenny Iszak)
=C2- =C2- =C2-7. 02:37 PM - Re: Strobe Power Supply Replacement=C2-
(Marcus Cooper)
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Time: 07:18:42 AM PST US
From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com [mailto:apilot2@gmail.com]>
Subject: RV10-List: G100UL
Having just watched the AOPA webinar on the implementation of making this
fuel available, the one area not addressed is whether amateur built
experimental aircraft would need to do any paperwork to use the fuel. Type
certificated aircraft will require an STC, just like they do for using
mogas. Seems to me that we could just change our fuel placards to read
G100UL or 100LL required, and start using it. Would be interesting to get
EAA's opinion on this from one of their legal and technical experts.
If we don't need anything, it would reduce GAMI's potential income a bit,
although they still will get licensing/patent fees anyway.
There is no question in my mind that any IO-540 that is currently installed
in a -10 and runs satisfactorily on 100LL will be fine on G100UL.
Especially since the stock engine was originally certified on 91/96 Avgas.
Kelly
________________________________=C2- Message 2=C2- ____________________
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Time: 08:04:42 AM PST US
Subject: Re: RV10-List: G100UL
From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com [mailto:ceengland7@gmail.com]>
On 9/17/2021 9:17 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> Having just watched the AOPA webinar on the implementation of making
> this fuel available, the one area not addressed is whether amateur
> built experimental aircraft would need to do any paperwork to use the
> fuel. Type certificated aircraft will require an STC, just like they
> do for using mogas. Seems to me that we could just change our fuel
> placards to read G100UL or 100LL required, and start using it. Would
> be interesting to get EAA's opinion on this from one of their legal
> and technical experts.
> If we don't need anything, it would reduce GAMI's potential income a
> bit, although they still will get licensing/patent fees anyway.
> There is no question in my mind that any IO-540 that is currently
> installed in a -10 and runs satisfactorily on 100LL will be fine on
> G100UL.
> Especially since the stock engine was originally certified on 91/96 Avgas.
> Kelly
>=C2- =C2-
I've never heard of any rule preventing homebuilts from running any fuel
they want. No STC is required for a homebuilt. I've run 100LL, 93 E-free
mogas, and 93 E-gas in homebuilts, and I know of quite a few others who
run all variations too, down to 87 E-gas (in Mazda rotaries). I'm not
saying it's smart to run 87 in a 10-1 compression angle valve engine;
just that it isn't illegal.
It should be relatively easy to get EAA's opinion; just ask.
Charlie
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Subject: Re: RV10-List: G100UL
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com [mailto:kellym@aviating.com]>
I agree with you, although I have heard of FBOs that won't pump into a
tank that doesn't have a placard allowing a specific grade of fuel..easy
to fix with label maker. I would especially look forward to less
maintenance in terms of fouled plugs, oil change intervals, etc.
Kelly
On 9/17/2021 8:08 AM, Charlie England wrote:
>>=C2- =C2-
> I've never heard of any rule preventing homebuilts from running any fuel
> they want. No STC is required for a homebuilt. I've run 100LL, 93 E-free
> mogas, and 93 E-gas in homebuilts, and I know of quite a few others who
> run all variations too, down to 87 E-gas (in Mazda rotaries). I'm not
> saying it's smart to run 87 in a 10-1 compression angle valve engine;
> just that it isn't illegal.
>
> It should be relatively easy to get EAA's opinion; just ask.
>
> Charlie
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Time: 11:38:44 AM PST US
From: dave@corwith.com [mailto:dave@corwith.com]
Subject: Re: RV10-List: G100UL
Just read the article in AOPA magazine. It states that the stc funds the
development. About 1.50=24/hp i think. So a one time fee of 400-600=24
ge
ts u a sticker. Not sure how expermental fits in
Dave
Sent with a=C2-Spark
On Sep 17, 2021, 11:07 -0400, Charlie England <ceengland7=40gmail.com [ht
tp://40gmail.com]>, w
rote:
> On 9/17/2021 9:17 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> > Having just watched the AOPA webinar on the implementation of making
this fuel available, the one area not addressed is whether amateur built
experimental aircraft would need to do any paperwork to use the fuel. Typ
e certificated aircraft will require an STC, just like they do for using
mogas. Seems to me that we could just change our fuel placards to read G1
00UL or 100LL required, and start using it. Would be interesting to get E
AA's opinion on this from one of their legal and technical experts.
> > If we don't need anything, it would reduce GAMI's potential income a
bit, although they still will get licensing/patent fees anyway.
> > There is no question in my mind that any IO-540 that is currently ins
talled in a -10 and runs satisfactorily on 100LL will be fine on G100UL.
> > Especially since the stock engine was originally certified on 91/96 A
vgas.
> > Kelly
> I've never heard of any rule preventing homebuilts from running any fue
l they want. No STC is required for a homebuilt. I've run 100LL, 93 E-fre
e mogas, and 93 E-gas in homebuilts, and I know of quite a few others who
=C2-run all variations too, down to 87 E-gas (in Mazda rotaries). I'm not
sa
ying it's smart to run 87 in a 10-1 compression angle valve engine; just
that it isn't illegal.
>
> It should be relatively easy to get EAA's opinion; just ask.
>
> Charlie
>
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Time: 01:17:26 PM PST US
From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com [mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com]>
Subject: RV10-List: Strobe Power Supply Replacement
=C2-I have a Strobes N More Pro 606 power supply driving my strobe lights
and it has
been working great, but the power supply connector has become loose after 16
years and is intermittent. I'm not sure I can repair it so am looking for an
alternative and it appears the model I have is no longer produced. I saw an
other
by Preco that looks EXTREMELY similar to what I have, right down to the cau
tion
verbiage. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with these or other
recommendations?
Thanks,
Marcus
________________________________=C2- Message 6=C2- ____________________
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Time: 02:05:12 PM PST US
From: Lenny Iszak <lenard@rapiddecision.com [mailto:lenard@rapiddecision.co
m]>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Strobe Power Supply Replacement
I=99m using these LED strobes, the older v2 version, and they=99
ve been great. They fit the cutout of the Xenon bulbs you have.
https://www.strobesnmore.com/feniex-cannon-v3-hide-away.html [https://www.s
trobesnmore.com/feniex-cannon-v3-hide-away.html]
<https://www.strobesnmore.com/feniex-cannon-v3-hide-away.html [https://www.
strobesnmore.com/feniex-cannon-v3-hide-away.html]>
Lenny
> On Sep 17, 2021, at 4:17 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com [mailto:coo
prv7@yahoo.com]> wrote:
>
> I have a Strobes N More Pro 606 power supply driving my strobe lights
and it has been working great, but the power supply connector has become
loose after 16 years and is intermittent. I'm not sure I can repair it
so am looking for an alternative and it appears the model I have is no
longer produced. I saw another by Preco that looks EXTREMELY similar to
what I have, right down to the caution verbiage. I was wondering if
anyone has any experience with these or other recommendations?
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
________________________________=C2- Message 7=C2- ____________________
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Time: 02:37:39 PM PST US
From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com [mailto:cooprv7@yahoo.com]>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Strobe Power Supply Replacement
Those are really neat! I=99m mostly looking for a new power supply, bu
t these may very well be in my future.
Thanks,
Marcus
> On Sep 17, 2021, at 17:19, Lenny Iszak <lenard@rapiddecision.com [mailto:
lenard@rapiddecision.com]> wrote:
>
> =EF=BBI=99m using these LED strobes, the older v2 version, and th
ey=99ve been great. They fit the cutout of the Xenon bulbs you have.
>
> https://www.strobesnmore.com/feniex-cannon-v3-hide-away.html [https://www
.strobesnmore.com/feniex-cannon-v3-hide-away.html]
>
> Lenny
>
>
>> On Sep 17, 2021, at 4:17 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com [mailto:co
oprv7@yahoo.com]> wrote:
>>
>> I have a Strobes N More Pro 606 power supply driving my strobe lights and
=C2-it has been working great, but the power supply connector has become
loose a
fter 16 years and is intermittent. I'm not sure I can repair it so am lookin
g for an alternative and it appears the model I have is no longer produced.
I
=C2-saw another by Preco that looks EXTREMELY similar to what I have, rig
ht dow
n to the caution verbiage. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with
=C2-these or other recommendations?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marcus
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Thanks,
David, I found a Whelen power supply on eBay for a great price yesterday
so am going to give that a try.
Lew, Interesting point on powering up after sitting. I take it you conne
cted the resistor (headlight) in series with the power line to the strobe po
wer supply? Probably the only option but just wanted to confirm.
Thanks again,
Marcus
> On Sep 18, 2021, at 11:01, Lew Gallagher <lewgall@charter.net> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> I also have a Whelen system sitting for years, and thought I'd pass along ,
just in case someone wants to plug yours in, I had read long ago that it is a
dvisable to put a big resistor in line when first powering it up after the b
ig sleep. That keeps the completely discharged capacitors from blowing? I p
ut an auto headlight bulb in line on first powerup and watched it go from br
ight to dim to off in a few seconds. The power supply was fine - couldn't h
urt. Later, - Lew
>> On 9/18/2021 10:35:12 AM, dlm <dlm34077@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have a Whelen system that was working when removed, aging in my hangar;
I replaced mine with an LED system. I have the whole system including light
s , bulbs and power supply, no wiring.
>>
>> David McNeill
>> 4806264048
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>>> 1. 07:18 AM - G100UL (Kelly McMullen)
>>> 2. 08:04 AM - Re: G100UL (Charlie England)
>>> 3. 08:30 AM - Re: G100UL (Kelly McMullen)
>>> 4. 11:38 AM - Re: G100UL (dave@corwith.com)
>>> 5. 01:17 PM - Strobe Power Supply Replacement (Marcus Cooper)
>>> 6. 02:05 PM - Re: Strobe Power Supply Replacement (Lenny Iszak)
>>> 7. 02:37 PM - Re: Strobe Power Supply Replacement (Marcus Cooper)
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>>> Time: 07:18:42 AM PST US
>>> From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: RV10-List: G100UL
>>>
>>> Having just watched the AOPA webinar on the implementation of making thi
s
>>> fuel available, the one area not addressed is whether amateur built
>>> experimental aircraft would need to do any paperwork to use the fuel. Ty
pe
>>> certificated aircraft will require an STC, just like they do for using
>>> mogas. Seems to me that we could just change our fuel placards to read
>>> G100UL or 100LL required, and start using it. Would be interesting to ge
t
>>> EAA's opinion on this from one of their legal and technical experts.
>>> If we don't need anything, it would reduce GAMI's potential income a bit
,
>>> although they still will get licensing/patent fees anyway.
>>> There is no question in my mind that any IO-540 that is currently instal
led
>>> in a -10 and runs satisfactorily on 100LL will be fine on G100UL.
>>> Especially since the stock engine was originally certified on 91/96 Avga
s.
>>> Kelly
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 2 ___________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 08:04:42 AM PST US
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: G100UL
>>> From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> On 9/17/2021 9:17 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>> > Having just watched the AOPA webinar on the implementation of making
>>> > this fuel available, the one area not addressed is whether amateur
>>> > built experimental aircraft would need to do any paperwork to use the
>>> > fuel. Type certificated aircraft will require an STC, just like they
>>> > do for using mogas. Seems to me that we could just change our fuel
>>> > placards to read G100UL or 100LL required, and start using it. Would
>>> > be interesting to get EAA's opinion on this from one of their legal
>>> > and technical experts.
>>> > If we don't need anything, it would reduce GAMI's potential income a
>>> > bit, although they still will get licensing/patent fees anyway.
>>> > There is no question in my mind that any IO-540 that is currently
>>> > installed in a -10 and runs satisfactorily on 100LL will be fine on
>>> > G100UL.
>>> > Especially since the stock engine was originally certified on 91/96 Av
gas.
>>> > Kelly
>>> >
>>> I've never heard of any rule preventing homebuilts from running any fuel
>>> they want. No STC is required for a homebuilt. I've run 100LL, 93 E-free
>>> mogas, and 93 E-gas in homebuilts, and I know of quite a few others who
>>> run all variations too, down to 87 E-gas (in Mazda rotaries). I'm not
>>> saying it's smart to run 87 in a 10-1 compression angle valve engine;
>>> just that it isn't illegal.
>>>
>>> It should be relatively easy to get EAA's opinion; just ask.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Time: 08:30:49 AM PST US
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: G100UL
>>> From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with you, although I have heard of FBOs that won't pump into a
>>> tank that doesn't have a placard allowing a specific grade of fuel..easy
>>> to fix with label maker. I would especially look forward to less
>>> maintenance in terms of fouled plugs, oil change intervals, etc.
>>> Kelly
>>>
>>> On 9/17/2021 8:08 AM, Charlie England wrote:
>>>
>>> >>
>>> > I've never heard of any rule preventing homebuilts from running any fu
el
>>> > they want. No STC is required for a homebuilt. I've run 100LL, 93 E-fr
ee
>>> > mogas, and 93 E-gas in homebuilts, and I know of quite a few others wh
o
>>> > run all variations too, down to 87 E-gas (in Mazda rotaries). I'm not
>>> > saying it's smart to run 87 in a 10-1 compression angle valve engine;
>>> > just that it isn't illegal.
>>> >
>>> > It should be relatively easy to get EAA's opinion; just ask.
>>> >
>>> > Charlie
>>> >
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>>> Time: 11:38:44 AM PST US
>>> From: dave@corwith.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: G100UL
>>>
>>> Just read the article in AOPA magazine. It states that the stc funds the
>>> development. About 1.50=24/hp i think. So a one time fee of 400-600=
24 ge
>>> ts u a sticker. Not sure how expermental fits in
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Sent with a=C2-Spark
>>> On Sep 17, 2021, 11:07 -0400, Charlie England <ceengland7=40gmail.com>
, w
>>> rote:
>>> > On 9/17/2021 9:17 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>> > > Having just watched the AOPA webinar on the implementation of making
>>> this fuel available, the one area not addressed is whether amateur built
>>> experimental aircraft would need to do any paperwork to use the fuel. Ty
p
>>> e certificated aircraft will require an STC, just like they do for using
>>> mogas. Seems to me that we could just change our fuel placards to read G
1
>>> 00UL or 100LL required, and start using it. Would be interesting to get E
>>> AA's opinion on this from one of their legal and technical experts.
>>> > > If we don't need anything, it would reduce GAMI's potential income a
>>> bit, although they still will get licensing/patent fees anyway.
>>> > > There is no question in my mind that any IO-540 that is currently in
s
>>> talled in a -10 and runs satisfactorily on 100LL will be fine on G100UL.
>>> > > Especially since the stock engine was originally certified on 91/96 A
>>> vgas.
>>> > > Kelly
>>> > I've never heard of any rule preventing homebuilts from running any fu
e
>>> l they want. No STC is required for a homebuilt. I've run 100LL, 93 E-fr
e
>>> e mogas, and 93 E-gas in homebuilts, and I know of quite a few others wh
o
>>> run all variations too, down to 87 E-gas (in Mazda rotaries). I'm not s
a
>>> ying it's smart to run 87 in a 10-1 compression angle valve engine; just
>>> that it isn't illegal.
>>> >
>>> > It should be relatively easy to get EAA's opinion; just ask.
>>> >
>>> > Charlie
>>> >
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>>>
>>> Time: 01:17:26 PM PST US
>>> From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Strobe Power Supply Replacement
>>>
>>> I have a Strobes N More Pro 606 power supply driving my strobe lights a
nd it has
>>> been working great, but the power supply connector has become loose afte
r 16
>>> years and is intermittent. I'm not sure I can repair it so am looking fo
r an
>>> alternative and it appears the model I have is no longer produced. I saw
another
>>> by Preco that looks EXTREMELY similar to what I have, right down to the c
aution
>>> verbiage. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with these or oth
er
>>> recommendations?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 6 ___________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 02:05:12 PM PST US
>>> From: Lenny Iszak <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Strobe Power Supply Replacement
>>>
>>> I=99m using these LED strobes, the older v2 version, and they=99
>>> ve been great. They fit the cutout of the Xenon bulbs you have.
>>>
>>> https://www.strobesnmore.com/feniex-cannon-v3-hide-away.html
>>> <https://www.strobesnmore.com/feniex-cannon-v3-hide-away.html>
>>>
>>> Lenny
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Sep 17, 2021, at 4:17 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I have a Strobes N More Pro 606 power supply driving my strobe lights
>>> and it has been working great, but the power supply connector has become
>>> loose after 16 years and is intermittent. I'm not sure I can repair it
>>> so am looking for an alternative and it appears the model I have is no
>>> longer produced. I saw another by Preco that looks EXTREMELY similar to
>>> what I have, right down to the caution verbiage. I was wondering if
>>> anyone has any experience with these or other recommendations?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________ Message 7 ___________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>> Time: 02:37:39 PM PST US
>>> From: Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Strobe Power Supply Replacement
>>>
>>> Those are really neat! I=99m mostly looking for a new power supply, bu
>>> t these may very well be in my future.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>> > On Sep 17, 2021, at 17:19, Lenny Iszak <lenard@rapiddecision.com> wrot
e:
>>> >
>>> > =EF=BBI=99m using these LED strobes, the older v2 version, and t
h
>>> ey=99ve been great. They fit the cutout of the Xenon bulbs you have.
>>> >
>>> > https://www.strobesnmore.com/feniex-cannon-v3-hide-away.html
>>> >
>>> > Lenny
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On Sep 17, 2021, at 4:17 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I have a Strobes N More Pro 606 power supply driving my strobe lights
and
>>> it has been working great, but the power supply connector has become lo
ose a
>>> fter 16 years and is intermittent. I'm not sure I can repair it so am lo
okin
>>> g for an alternative and it appears the model I have is no longer produc
ed. I
>>> saw another by Preco that looks EXTREMELY similar to what I have, right
dow
>>> n to the caution verbiage. I was wondering if anyone has any experience w
ith
>>> these or other recommendations?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Marcus
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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Oh, yes! I've been running E-free 93 mogas for over 20 years in 8.5-1
compression Lycs (160 & 180 HP 320s & 360s). Only time I had a problem was
with 6 month old 'winter blend' gas (much higher vapor pressure) on a 100+
degree day in a carb'd engine. If it had been injected, I doubt it would
have been an issue even then. At annual, you basically look at the plugs &
put them back in. Oil stays cleaner looking longer.
I recently switched to 93 E-gas, after several accounts from others who've
been running it successfully. The really old mechanical fuel pumps will
eventually fail when running E-gas, but according to a tech at the pump
mfgr, all their recent production has used E-proof soft parts. Only a few
hrs on E-gas, but so far the summer blend seems to run great.
Charlie
On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 8:52 AM Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
> I agree with you, although I have heard of FBOs that won't pump into a
> tank that doesn't have a placard allowing a specific grade of fuel..easy
> to fix with label maker. I would especially look forward to less
> maintenance in terms of fouled plugs, oil change intervals, etc.
> Kelly
>
> On 9/17/2021 8:08 AM, Charlie England wrote:
>
> >>
> > I've never heard of any rule preventing homebuilts from running any fuel
> > they want. No STC is required for a homebuilt. I've run 100LL, 93 E-free
> > mogas, and 93 E-gas in homebuilts, and I know of quite a few others who
> > run all variations too, down to 87 E-gas (in Mazda rotaries). I'm not
> > saying it's smart to run 87 in a 10-1 compression angle valve engine;
> > just that it isn't illegal.
> >
> > It should be relatively easy to get EAA's opinion; just ask.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
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Please clarify. I see folks talking about using 93. I assume those folks a
ren=99t talking about using 93 in an IO540? Right?
KC
Sent from KC
> On Sep 18, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> Oh, yes! I've been running E-free 93 mogas for over 20 years in 8.5-1 comp
ression Lycs (160 & 180 HP 320s & 360s). Only time I had a problem was with 6
month old 'winter blend' gas (much higher vapor pressure) on a 100+ degree d
ay in a carb'd engine. If it had been injected, I doubt it would have been a
n issue even then. At annual, you basically look at the plugs & put them bac
k in. Oil stays cleaner looking longer.
>
> I recently switched to 93 E-gas, after several accounts from others who've
been running it successfully. The really old mechanical fuel pumps will eve
ntually fail when running E-gas, but according to a tech at the pump mfgr, a
ll their recent production has used E-proof soft parts. Only a few hrs on E-
gas, but so far the summer blend seems to run great.
>
> Charlie
>
>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 8:52 AM Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrot
e:
>>
>> I agree with you, although I have heard of FBOs that won't pump into a
>> tank that doesn't have a placard allowing a specific grade of fuel..easy
>> to fix with label maker. I would especially look forward to less
>> maintenance in terms of fouled plugs, oil change intervals, etc.
>> Kelly
>>
>> On 9/17/2021 8:08 AM, Charlie England wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> > I've never heard of any rule preventing homebuilts from running any fue
l
>> > they want. No STC is required for a homebuilt. I've run 100LL, 93 E-fre
e
>> > mogas, and 93 E-gas in homebuilts, and I know of quite a few others who
>> > run all variations too, down to 87 E-gas (in Mazda rotaries). I'm not
>> > saying it's smart to run 87 in a 10-1 compression angle valve engine;
>> > just that it isn't illegal.
>> >
>> > It should be relatively easy to get EAA's opinion; just ask.
>> >
>> > Charlie
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93 pump octane mogas should be okay in the IO540 if no alcohol, but it
really isn't the same as 91/96 avgas the engine was certified with about
60 years ago. The Swift fuels 94UL avgas should be just fine in an
IO540, but good luck finding it much over 300 miles from their plant in
Indiana.
On 9/18/2021 12:45 PM, Ken Cashwell wrote:
> Please clarify. I see folks talking about using 93. I assume those
> folks arent talking about using 93 in an IO540? Right?
>
> KC
>
> Sent from KC
>
>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Oh, yes! I've been running E-free 93 mogas for over 20 years in 8.5-1
>> compression Lycs (160 & 180 HP 320s & 360s). Only time I had a problem
>> was with 6 month old 'winter blend' gas (much higher vapor pressure)
>> on a 100+ degree day in a carb'd engine. If it had been injected, I
>> doubt it would have been an issue even then. At annual, you basically
>> look at the plugs & put them back in. Oil stays cleaner looking longer.
>>
>> I recently switched to 93 E-gas, after several accounts from others
>> who've been running it successfully. The really old mechanical fuel
>> pumps will eventually fail when running E-gas, but according to a tech
>> at the pump mfgr, all their recent production has used E-proof soft
>> parts. Only a few hrs on E-gas, but so far the summer blend seems to
>> run great.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 8:52 AM Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com
>> <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>> wrote:
>>
>> <kellym@aviating.com <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>>
>>
>> I agree with you, although I have heard of FBOs that won't pump
>> into a
>> tank that doesn't have a placard allowing a specific grade of
>> fuel..easy
>> to fix with label maker. I would especially look forward to less
>> maintenance in terms of fouled plugs, oil change intervals, etc.
>> Kelly
>>
>> On 9/17/2021 8:08 AM, Charlie England wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> > I've never heard of any rule preventing homebuilts from running
>> any fuel
>> > they want. No STC is required for a homebuilt. I've run 100LL,
>> 93 E-free
>> > mogas, and 93 E-gas in homebuilts, and I know of quite a few
>> others who
>> > run all variations too, down to 87 E-gas (in Mazda rotaries).
>> I'm not
>> > saying it's smart to run 87 in a 10-1 compression angle valve
>> engine;
>> > just that it isn't illegal.
>> >
>> > It should be relatively easy to get EAA's opinion; just ask.
>> >
>> > Charlie
>> >
>> >
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Just so those that run 8.5 compression 4 cylinder Lycomings understand,
the IO-540 is just a 180 hp O/IO-360 with 2 more cylinders. Same
cylinders, same compression, same stroke, same parallel valve
configuration, runs with same fuel requirements. 100LL has always been
more octane than it required, but 91/96 went away before I started
flying 48 years ago.
On 9/18/2021 1:18 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> 93 pump octane mogas should be okay in the IO540 if no alcohol, but it
> really isn't the same as 91/96 avgas the engine was certified with about
> 60 years ago. The Swift fuels 94UL avgas should be just fine in an
> IO540, but good luck finding it much over 300 miles from their plant in
> Indiana.
>
> On 9/18/2021 12:45 PM, Ken Cashwell wrote:
>> Please clarify. I see folks talking about using 93. I assume those
>> folks arent talking about using 93 in an IO540? Right?
>>
>> KC
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For me, it's largely a compression & combustion chamber shape thing. The
160 & 180 hp (parallel valve, carb and injected) Lycs are 8.5-1
compression; about as high as I've seen done successfully. The angle valve
200hp 360 is 9-1. *I* would be really leery about running 93 mogas at 9-1
in that IO-360, or the 6cyl using those pistons/cyls. In contrast, modern
automotive engines with sophisticated combustion chamber shapes, knock
detection, computer controlled instant timing retard, etc get away with
much higher compressions on low octane gas. The rotary, with its long
skinny combustion chamber and minimal spark advance, actually prefers the
lowest octane you can find, even at 9-1 compression. If you talk to Ross at
SDS, he might say it's fine to run 93 at 9-1 using his system & appropriate
timing. Or he might not. ;-)
Charlie
On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 3:36 PM Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
> 93 pump octane mogas should be okay in the IO540 if no alcohol, but it
> really isn't the same as 91/96 avgas the engine was certified with about
> 60 years ago. The Swift fuels 94UL avgas should be just fine in an
> IO540, but good luck finding it much over 300 miles from their plant in
> Indiana.
>
> On 9/18/2021 12:45 PM, Ken Cashwell wrote:
> > Please clarify. I see folks talking about using 93. I assume those
> > folks aren=99t talking about using 93 in an IO540? Right?
> >
> > KC
> >
> > Sent from KC
> >
> >> On Sep 18, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> =EF=BB
> >> Oh, yes! I've been running E-free 93 mogas for over 20 years in 8.5-1
> >> compression Lycs (160 & 180 HP 320s & 360s). Only time I had a problem
> >> was with 6 month old 'winter blend' gas (much higher vapor pressure)
> >> on a 100+ degree day in a carb'd engine. If it had been injected, I
> >> doubt it would have been an issue even then. At annual, you basically
> >> look at the plugs & put them back in. Oil stays cleaner looking longer
.
> >>
> >> I recently switched to 93 E-gas, after several accounts from others
> >> who've been running it successfully. The really old mechanical fuel
> >> pumps will eventually fail when running E-gas, but according to a tech
> >> at the pump mfgr, all their recent production has used E-proof soft
> >> parts. Only a few hrs on E-gas, but so far the summer blend seems to
> >> run great.
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 8:52 AM Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com
> >> <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> <kellym@aviating.com <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>>
> >>
> >> I agree with you, although I have heard of FBOs that won't pump
> >> into a
> >> tank that doesn't have a placard allowing a specific grade of
> >> fuel..easy
> >> to fix with label maker. I would especially look forward to less
> >> maintenance in terms of fouled plugs, oil change intervals, etc.
> >> Kelly
> >>
> >> On 9/17/2021 8:08 AM, Charlie England wrote:
> >>
> >> >>
> >> > I've never heard of any rule preventing homebuilts from running
> >> any fuel
> >> > they want. No STC is required for a homebuilt. I've run 100LL,
> >> 93 E-free
> >> > mogas, and 93 E-gas in homebuilts, and I know of quite a few
> >> others who
> >> > run all variations too, down to 87 E-gas (in Mazda rotaries).
> >> I'm not
> >> > saying it's smart to run 87 in a 10-1 compression angle valve
> >> engine;
> >> > just that it isn't illegal.
> >> >
> >> > It should be relatively easy to get EAA's opinion; just ask.
> >> >
> >> > Charlie
> >> >
> >> >
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The stock 200 hp angle valve engine is 8.7 to 1 compression and yes, it
is a 100LL engine, no mogas is good enough. The 200hp engine originally
had 25 BTDC timing (and some still have it) but the factory now sends
them out with 20 degree timing.
On 9/18/2021 2:17 PM, Charlie England wrote:
> For me, it's largely a compression & combustion chamber shape thing. The
> 160 & 180 hp (parallel valve, carb and injected) Lycs are 8.5-1
> compression; about as high as I've seen done successfully. The angle
> valve 200hp 360 is 9-1. *I* would be really leery about running 93 mogas
> at 9-1 in that IO-360, or the 6cyl using those pistons/cyls. In
> contrast, modern automotive engines with sophisticated combustion
> chamber shapes, knock detection, computer controlled instant timing
> retard, etc get away with much higher compressions on low octane gas.
> The rotary, with its long skinny combustion chamber and minimal spark
> advance, actually prefers the lowest octane you can find, even at 9-1
> compression. If you talk to Ross at SDS, he might say it's fine to run
> 93 at 9-1 using his system & appropriate timing. Or he might not. ;-)
>
> Charlie
>
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 3:36 PM Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com
> <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>>
>
> 93 pump octane mogas should be okay in the IO540 if no alcohol, but it
> really isn't the same as 91/96 avgas the engine was certified with
> about
> 60 years ago. The Swift fuels 94UL avgas should be just fine in an
> IO540, but good luck finding it much over 300 miles from their plant in
> Indiana.
>
> On 9/18/2021 12:45 PM, Ken Cashwell wrote:
> > Please clarify. I see folks talking about using 93. I assume those
> > folks arent talking about using 93 in an IO540? Right?
> >
> > KC
> >
> > Sent from KC
> >
> >> On Sep 18, 2021, at 2:09 PM, Charlie England
> <ceengland7@gmail.com <mailto:ceengland7@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Oh, yes! I've been running E-free 93 mogas for over 20 years in
> 8.5-1
> >> compression Lycs (160 & 180 HP 320s & 360s). Only time I had a
> problem
> >> was with 6 month old 'winter blend' gas (much higher vapor
> pressure)
> >> on a 100+ degree day in a carb'd engine. If it had been injected, I
> >> doubt it would have been an issue even then. At annual, you
> basically
> >> look at the plugs & put them back in. Oil stays cleaner looking
> longer.
> >>
> >> I recently switched to 93 E-gas, after several accounts from others
> >> who've been running it successfully. The really old mechanical fuel
> >> pumps will eventually fail when running E-gas, but according to
> a tech
> >> at the pump mfgr, all their recent production has used E-proof soft
> >> parts. Only a few hrs on E-gas, but so far the summer blend
> seems to
> >> run great.
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 8:52 AM Kelly McMullen
> <kellym@aviating.com <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>
> >> <mailto:kellym@aviating.com <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> <kellym@aviating.com <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>
> <mailto:kellym@aviating.com <mailto:kellym@aviating.com>>>
> >>
> >> I agree with you, although I have heard of FBOs that won't pump
> >> into a
> >> tank that doesn't have a placard allowing a specific grade of
> >> fuel..easy
> >> to fix with label maker. I would especially look forward to less
> >> maintenance in terms of fouled plugs, oil change intervals, etc.
> >> Kelly
> >>
> >> On 9/17/2021 8:08 AM, Charlie England wrote:
> >>
> >> >>
> >> > I've never heard of any rule preventing homebuilts from
> running
> >> any fuel
> >> > they want. No STC is required for a homebuilt. I've run 100LL,
> >> 93 E-free
> >> > mogas, and 93 E-gas in homebuilts, and I know of quite a few
> >> others who
> >> > run all variations too, down to 87 E-gas (in Mazda rotaries).
> >> I'm not
> >> > saying it's smart to run 87 in a 10-1 compression angle valve
> >> engine;
> >> > just that it isn't illegal.
> >> >
> >> > It should be relatively easy to get EAA's opinion; just ask.
> >> >
> >> > Charlie
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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Correct.
On 9/18/2021 12:21:48 PM, Marcus Cooper <cooprv7@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks,
=C2- =C2- David, I found a Whelen power supply on eBay for a great pric
e yesterday so am going to give that a try.=C2-
=C2- =C2- Lew, Interesting point on powering up after sitting. I take i
t you connected the resistor (headlight) in series with the power line to t
he strobe power supply? =C2-Probably the only option but just wanted to c
onfirm.=C2-
Thanks again,
Marcus=C2-
On Sep 18, 2021, at 11:01, Lew Gallagher <lewgall@charter.net> wrote:
=EF=BB
I also have a Whelen system sitting for years, and thought I'd pass along ,
just in case someone wants to plug yours in, I had read long ago that it is
advisable to put a big resistor in line when first powering it up after th
e big sleep.=C2- That keeps the completely discharged capacitors from blo
wing? I put an auto headlight bulb in line on first powerup and watched it
go from bright to dim to off in a few seconds.=C2- The power supply was f
ine - couldn't hurt.=C2- Later, - Lew
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> The Swift fuels 94UL avgas should be just fine in an
> IO540, but good luck finding it much over 300 miles from their plant in
> Indiana.
>
94UL is now available at KRHV (San Jose, CA)
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