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1. 02:43 PM - Chelton replacements (dlm)
2. 02:56 PM - Re: Chelton replacements (Kelly McMullen)
3. 07:45 PM - Re: Chelton replacements (Robert Jones)
4. 08:58 PM - Re: Chelton replacements (Charlie England)
5. 10:00 PM - Re: Chelton replacements (Tom Chapman)
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| Subject: | Chelton replacements |
My DU1s and Crossbow AHRS are no longer supported. I must think of some
future replacement for them. What EFISs are being used in the newer 10s
these days?
David McNeill
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton replacements |
There are 3 main ones. Grt Dynon (as well as it's subsidiary AFS) and
Garmin. Depends on your budget and mission.
On 1/17/2022 3:42 PM, dlm wrote:
> My DU1s and Crossbow AHRS are no longer supported. I must think of some
> future replacement for them. What EFISs are being used in the newer 10s
> these days?
>
> David McNeill
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton replacements |
I have a 3 screen Dynon panel with a Garmin GTN650 for IFR navigation and approaches.
I personally would avoid a complete Garmin panel because of the cost of
updates. I subscribe to the NAV updates for my 650 because everything else is
free on the Dynon EFIS. Dynon got in bed with Seattle Avionics (SkyQ) to display
low or high altitude charts on the Dynon EFIS as well as the approach plates.
This works well and it isnt that expensive.
If youre looking at a 100% Garmin panel, look at what the updates to keep everything
current are for the next 10 years, and that does not include software updates
either. Dynon gives you them free. At Garmin, only the dealer can get access
to the software updates, even though anyone could make do the updates if
they had access to the files. Basically Garmin wants to own you forever.
Dynon will give you tech support. Garmin wont. As soon as they ask what licensed
shop you work for and find out you dont work for one the conversation is over.
0 support ever except to call a licensed Garmin shop and pay they to fix the
problem. You dont even get an installation manual for the product you bought.
Only the dealers get those.
If you are going to hire a Garmin dealer to overhaul your panel and fix everything
that goes wrong in the future, are fine with the software and NAV database
costs then Garmin is fine. I put my whole panel in myself. If you are planning
on doing it yourself, Garmin isnt fine. Please understand that I am not badmouthing
the Garmin products. They are fine. I just hate the way they treat their
customers.
Robert Jones
> On Jan 17, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
>
> There are 3 main ones. Grt Dynon (as well as it's subsidiary AFS) and Garmin.
Depends on your budget and mission.
>
>> On 1/17/2022 3:42 PM, dlm wrote:
>> My DU1s and Crossbow AHRS are no longer supported. I must think of some future
replacement for them. What EFISs are being used in the newer 10s these days?
>> David McNeill
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton replacements |
>From one who grew up in a Southern church,=C2- YES, you can get an amen!
Now let's talk about why the FAA allows private companies to charge so muc
h for data our taxes have already paid for=2E
=81=A3Get BlueMail for A
ndroid =8B
On Jan 17, 2022, 9:50 PM, at 9:50 PM, Robert Jones <rjone
s560xl@gmail=2Ecom> wrote:
rjones560xl@gmail=2Ecom>
>
>I have a 3 screen Dynon panel with a Garmin GTN
650 for IFR navigation
>and approaches=2E I personally would avoid a comple
te Garmin panel
>because of the cost of updates=2E I subscribe to the NAV u
pdates for my
>650 because everything else is free on the Dynon EFIS=2E Dyn
on got in bed
>with Seattle Avionics (SkyQ) to display low or high altitude
charts on
>the Dynon EFIS as well as the approach plates=2E This works wel
l and it
>isn=99t that expensive=2E
>If you=99re looking at a
100% Garmin panel, look at what the updates to
>keep everything current are
for the next 10 years, and that does not
>include software updates either
=2E Dynon gives you them free=2E At Garmin,
>only the dealer can get access
to the software updates, even though
>anyone could make do the updates if
they had access to the files=2E
>Basically Garmin wants to own you forever
=2E
>
>Dynon will give you tech support=2E Garmin won=99t=2E As soon
as they ask
>what licensed shop you work for and find out you don=99
t work for one the
>conversation is over=2E 0 support ever except to call a
licensed Garmin
>shop and pay they to fix the problem=2E You don=99t
even get an
>installation manual for the product you bought=2E Only the de
alers get
>those=2E
>
>If you are going to hire a Garmin dealer to overhau
l your panel and fix
>everything that goes wrong in the future, are fine wi
th the software
>and NAV database costs then Garmin is fine=2E I put my wh
ole panel in
>myself=2E If you are planning on doing it yourself, Garmin is
n=99t fine=2E
>Please understand that I am not badmouthing the Garmin
products=2E They
>are fine=2E I just hate the way they treat their custome
rs=2E
>
>Robert Jones
>
>> On Jan 17, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Kelly McMullen <ke
llym@aviating=2Ecom>
>wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB--> RV10-List message posted b
y: Kelly McMullen
><kellym@aviating=2Ecom>
>>
>> There are 3 main ones=2E
Grt Dynon (as well as it's subsidiary AFS) and
>Garmin=2E Depends on your b
udget and mission=2E
>>
>>> On 1/17/2022 3:42 PM, dlm wrote:
>>> My DU1s a
nd Crossbow AHRS are no longer supported=2E I must think of
>some future re
placement for them=2E What EFISs are being used in the
>newer 10s these day
s?
>>> David McNeill
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chelton replacements |
Since this is the RV10 list, and RV10s are Experimental, several of your points
are incorrect with respect to that.
I have a full Garmin panel I installed myself. I have updated the software for
my three G3Xs and GTN650 several times myself, and so far there has never been
a charge. I have also gotten excellent email and phone support thru Garmins G3Xpert
tech support numerous times also at no charge.
The database updates are indeed pricey. However they do have a bundle price for
all my units that includes my Aera660 (which I just might accidentally use on
occasion in two other planes I fly). Im okay with the pricing in order to have
all the avionics talking to each seamlessly, and have just one support team
that can answer all my questions. YMMV.
Tom
> On Jan 17, 2022, at 9:52 PM, Robert Jones <rjones560xl@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have a 3 screen Dynon panel with a Garmin GTN650 for IFR navigation and approaches.
I personally would avoid a complete Garmin panel because of the cost
of updates. I subscribe to the NAV updates for my 650 because everything else
is free on the Dynon EFIS. Dynon got in bed with Seattle Avionics (SkyQ) to display
low or high altitude charts on the Dynon EFIS as well as the approach plates.
This works well and it isnt that expensive.
> If youre looking at a 100% Garmin panel, look at what the updates to keep everything
current are for the next 10 years, and that does not include software
updates either. Dynon gives you them free. At Garmin, only the dealer can get
access to the software updates, even though anyone could make do the updates if
they had access to the files. Basically Garmin wants to own you forever.
>
> Dynon will give you tech support. Garmin wont. As soon as they ask what licensed
shop you work for and find out you dont work for one the conversation is over.
0 support ever except to call a licensed Garmin shop and pay they to fix
the problem. You dont even get an installation manual for the product you bought.
Only the dealers get those.
>
> If you are going to hire a Garmin dealer to overhaul your panel and fix everything
that goes wrong in the future, are fine with the software and NAV database
costs then Garmin is fine. I put my whole panel in myself. If you are planning
on doing it yourself, Garmin isnt fine. Please understand that I am not badmouthing
the Garmin products. They are fine. I just hate the way they treat
their customers.
>
> Robert Jones
>
>> On Jan 17, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> There are 3 main ones. Grt Dynon (as well as it's subsidiary AFS) and Garmin.
Depends on your budget and mission.
>>
>>>> On 1/17/2022 3:42 PM, dlm wrote:
>>> My DU1s and Crossbow AHRS are no longer supported. I must think of some future
replacement for them. What EFISs are being used in the newer 10s these days?
>>> David McNeill
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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