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Sun 09/25/22


Total Messages Posted: 9



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     1. 07:36 AM - Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement? (Bill Boyd)
     2. 07:50 AM - Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement? (Bob Leffler)
     3. 08:09 AM - Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement? (Sam Ritchie)
     4. 09:39 AM - Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement? (Charlie England)
     5. 09:52 AM - Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement? (Lew Gallagher)
     6. 10:33 AM - Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement? (Robert Jones)
     7. 01:33 PM - Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement? (Bob Turner)
     8. 06:33 PM - Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement? (Dave Saylor)
     9. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement? (Dave Saylor)
 
 
 


Message 1


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    Time: 07:36:37 AM PST US
    From: Bill Boyd <sportav8r@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement?
    If you are very, very careful with your towbar, you will not need these. Translation: Better get a pair; you will need these. On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 5:55 PM Gary Specketer <gspecketer@gmail.com> wrote : > These are home made. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Sep 24, 2022, at 4:33 PM, Dave Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > =EF=BB > > Can someone please point me to the vendor for these? Thanks! > > > > > > > > --Dave >


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    Time: 07:50:49 AM PST US
    From: Bob Leffler <bob@thelefflers.com>
    Subject: Tow bar hole reinforcement?
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    Time: 08:09:12 AM PST US
    From: "Sam Ritchie" <sritchie09@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement?
    I think you are both in agreement, see the translation! On Sun, Sep 25, 2022, at 8:50 AM, Bob Leffler wrote: > I disagree. Even if you are careful, there is a small percentage of time that you=99ll not hit the hole. Admittedly, I=99ve ac cidently let the bogart bar slip a couple times a year. After flying f or ten years, I had a few paint chips that this covered perfectly. The n there is an issue if you ever have a lineman attempt to put a tow bar on. This does a great job of mitigating all these risks. > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Boyd > *Sent:* Sunday, September 25, 2022 10:36 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Tow bar hole reinforcement? > > > If you are very, very careful with your towbar, you will not need thes e. > > Translation: Better get a pair; you will need these. > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 5:55 PM Gary Specketer <gspecketer@gmail.com> wrote: >> These are home made. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On Sep 24, 2022, at 4:33 PM, Dave Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com> wr ote: >> > >> > =EF=BB >> > Can someone please point me to the vendor for these? Thanks! >> > >> > >> > >> > --Dave >>


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    Time: 09:39:18 AM PST US
    From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement?
    Please forgive the intrusion (I have no experience with nosewheel pant/towbar conflicts), but I'm wondering if a disc (donut) of 3M clear 'leading edge tape' would accomplish the same thing. Especially if there were a donut of aluminum bonded to the inside of the pant. Charlie On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:12 AM Sam Ritchie <sritchie09@gmail.com> wrote: > I think you are both in agreement, see the translation! > > On Sun, Sep 25, 2022, at 8:50 AM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > I disagree. Even if you are careful, there is a small percentage of tim e > that you=99ll not hit the hole. Admittedly, I=99ve accident ly let the bogart > bar slip a couple times a year. After flying for ten years, I had a few > paint chips that this covered perfectly. Then there is an issue if you > ever have a lineman attempt to put a tow bar on. This does a great job o f > mitigating all these risks. > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com < > owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Boyd > *Sent:* Sunday, September 25, 2022 10:36 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Tow bar hole reinforcement? > > > If you are very, very careful with your towbar, you will not need these. > > > Translation: Better get a pair; you will need these. > > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 5:55 PM Gary Specketer <gspecketer@gmail.com> > wrote: > > These are home made. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Sep 24, 2022, at 4:33 PM, Dave Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > =EF=BB > > Can someone please point me to the vendor for these? Thanks! > > > > > > > > --Dave > >


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    Time: 09:52:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement?
    From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
    Or as I have done on several nosewheel pants, use a longer capscrew bolt, w ith a=C2- fender washer between the head and a spacer so that the towbar stud is outside the pants with the washer flush with the pants surface. The washer prevents the towbar from ever entering the pants. Works, even for t ow jockies not familiar with RVs. I got tired of repairing fiberglass rippe d by the towbar not being on the stud. Later, - Lew On 9/25/2022 12:40:41 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote: Please forgive the intrusion (I have no experience with nosewheel pant/towb ar conflicts), but I'm wondering if a disc (donut) of 3M clear 'leading edg e tape' would accomplish the same thing. Especially if there were a donut o f aluminum bonded to the inside of the pant. Charlie On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:12 AM Sam Ritchie <sritchie09@gmail.com [mailto: sritchie09@gmail.com]> wrote: I think you are both in agreement, see the translation! On Sun, Sep 25, 2022, at 8:50 AM, Bob Leffler wrote: I disagree. Even if you are careful, there is a small percentage of time th at you=99ll not hit the hole. Admittedly, I=99ve accidently let the bogart bar slip a couple times a year. After flying for ten years, I h ad a few paint chips that this covered perfectly. Then there is an issue if you ever have a lineman attempt to put a tow bar on. This does a great job of mitigating all these risks. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] <owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list -server@matronics.com]> On Behalf Of Bill Boyd Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2022 10:36 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tow bar hole reinforcement? If you are very, very careful with your towbar, you will not need these. Translation: Better get a pair; you will need these. On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 5:55 PM Gary Specketer <gspecketer@gmail.com [mailt o:gspecketer@gmail.com]> wrote: These are home made. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 24, 2022, at 4:33 PM, Dave Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com [mailto:s aylor.dave@gmail.com]> wrote: > > =EF=BB > Can someone please point me to the vendor for these? Thanks! > > > > --Dave


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    Time: 10:33:40 AM PST US
    From: Robert Jones <rjones560xl@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement?
    I have something similar made out of aluminum that a friend with a lathe mad e for me. I just bonded them on to the the wheel pants with structural adhes ive. There was a short tube turned into the inside as part of it and I set t hat into cotton flox on the inside to make a metal tube that the tow bar goe s into. Stainless would probably be better because it is more scratch resist ant. Robert Jones > On Sep 25, 2022, at 9:42 AM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote: > > =EF=BB > Please forgive the intrusion (I have no experience with nosewheel pant/tow bar conflicts), but I'm wondering if a disc (donut) of 3M clear 'leading edg e tape' would accomplish the same thing. Especially if there were a donut of aluminum bonded to the inside of the pant. > > Charlie > >> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:12 AM Sam Ritchie <sritchie09@gmail.com> wrote : >> I think you are both in agreement, see the translation! >> >>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022, at 8:50 AM, Bob Leffler wrote: >>> I disagree. Even if you are careful, there is a small percentage of ti me that you=99ll not hit the hole. Admittedly, I=99ve accident ly let the bogart bar slip a couple times a year. After flying for ten yea rs, I had a few paint chips that this covered perfectly. Then there is an i ssue if you ever have a lineman attempt to put a tow bar on. This does a gr eat job of mitigating all these risks. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@matro nics.com> On Behalf Of Bill Boyd >>> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2022 10:36 AM >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tow bar hole reinforcement? >>> >>> >>> If you are very, very careful with your towbar, you will not need these. >>> >>> >>> >>> Translation: Better get a pair; you will need these. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 5:55 PM Gary Specketer <gspecketer@gmail.com> wr ote: >>> >>> These are home made. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> > On Sep 24, 2022, at 4:33 PM, Dave Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com> wrote : >>> > >>> > =EF=BB >>> > Can someone please point me to the vendor for these? Thanks! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > --Dave


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    Time: 01:33:32 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement?
    From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
    I can honestly say I havent had any on/off problems with the Bogart tow bar - once I figured out a trick, which is to use one of your legs as a fulcrum so you can fully control the bar while you slowly close the jaws. Now, what line boys do once out of my sight, I cannot say! -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=507942#507942


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    Time: 06:33:57 PM PST US
    From: Dave Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement?
    I did try leading edge tape. It's no match for an angry Bogert. We use the Bogert bar and an electric tug. The tug is really the culprit as it's pretty unwieldy. On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 9:42 AM Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote: > Please forgive the intrusion (I have no experience with > nosewheel pant/towbar conflicts), but I'm wondering if a disc (donut) of 3M > clear 'leading edge tape' would accomplish the same thing. Especially if > there were a donut of aluminum bonded to the inside of the pant. > > Charlie > > On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:12 AM Sam Ritchie <sritchie09@gmail.com> wrote : > >> I think you are both in agreement, see the translation! >> >> On Sun, Sep 25, 2022, at 8:50 AM, Bob Leffler wrote: >> >> I disagree. Even if you are careful, there is a small percentage of >> time that you=99ll not hit the hole. Admittedly, I=99ve ac cidently let the >> bogart bar slip a couple times a year. After flying for ten years, I h ad >> a few paint chips that this covered perfectly. Then there is an issue if >> you ever have a lineman attempt to put a tow bar on. This does a great job >> of mitigating all these risks. >> >> >> >> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com < >> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Boyd >> *Sent:* Sunday, September 25, 2022 10:36 AM >> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Tow bar hole reinforcement? >> >> >> >> If you are very, very careful with your towbar, you will not need these. >> >> >> >> Translation: Better get a pair; you will need these. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 5:55 PM Gary Specketer <gspecketer@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> These are home made. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On Sep 24, 2022, at 4:33 PM, Dave Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com> wrote : >> > >> > =EF=BB >> > Can someone please point me to the vendor for these? Thanks! >> > >> > >> > >> > --Dave >> >>


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    Time: 06:40:15 PM PST US
    From: Dave Saylor <saylor.dave@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement?
    Similar, but obviously not always successful: I open the Bogert then clinch the lever arm open against the fork with my right hand. Then I put the opposite side of the bar on into the fairing nice and snug. Then (one very) carefully relax the levered side so it engages. Works 95% of the time. On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 1:41 PM Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote: > > I can honestly say I haven=99t had any on/off problems with the Bog art tow > bar - once I figured out a trick, which is to use one of your legs as a > fulcrum so you can fully control the bar while you slowly close the jaws. > Now, what line boys do once out of my sight, I cannot say! > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=507942#507942 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > >




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