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1. 04:29 AM - Flap Controller (werner schneider)
2. 04:39 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Saint Aviation)
3. 05:01 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Tim Olson)
4. 05:21 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Kyle Boatright)
5. 05:35 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Andrew Johnson)
6. 08:48 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Werner Schneider)
7. 08:53 AM - Re: Flap Controller ()
8. 08:57 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Tim Olson)
9. 09:24 AM - Re: Flap Controller ()
10. 09:47 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Don McDonald)
11. 09:53 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Werner Schneider)
12. 09:54 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Werner Schneider)
13. 09:56 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Werner Schneider)
14. 12:26 PM - Re: Flap Controller (Patrick Pulis)
15. 08:02 PM - Re: Flap Controller (Dave Saylor)
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I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;)
If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS Module,
what do you use for the flaps?
- visual controll via an up/down switch ?
- the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down switch
?
- a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch?
- ???
Thanks for your help
Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Controller |
You can use the Van=99s Flap Positioning System or you can just
use a DPDT switch for momentary control. If you want it to control from
your stick grip, you will need a relay deck so you are not running that
much power through a microswitch on the stick.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
> On Jan 20, 2023, at 7:29 AM, werner schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
>
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> I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;)
>
> If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced
AFS Module, what do you use for the flaps?
>
> - visual controll via an up/down switch ?
> - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an
up/down switch ?
> - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch?
> - ???
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break)
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Controller |
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Controller |
I use a simple switch and my eyes. Simple, reliable, inexpensive, and lightweight.
> On Jan 20, 2023, at 7:31 AM, werner schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>
> I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;)
>
> If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS Module,
what do you use for the flaps?
>
> - visual controll via an up/down switch ?
> - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down switch
?
> - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch?
> - ???
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Controller |
I use an Arduino with a selector on my panel that has 3 choices: reflex, zero,
half, full. It takes position from a potentiometer in the flap motor assembly
itself. Thats also used to drive the EFIS display.
Simple program. Very reliable. Works every time. Allows my hand to stay on the
stick and throttle.
> On Jan 20, 2023, at 08:23, Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I use a simple switch and my eyes. Simple, reliable, inexpensive, and lightweight.
>
>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 7:31 AM, werner schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;)
>>
>> If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS Module,
what do you use for the flaps?
>>
>> - visual controll via an up/down switch ?
>> - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down switch
?
>> - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch?
>> - ???
>>
>> Thanks for your help
>>
>> Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Controller |
Thanks Tim an Jesse,
does that controller support 4 position? reflex, 0, half and full?
On 20.01.2023 14:00, Tim Olson wrote:
> I just use the Vans flap controller with no indicator other than a
> visual check. I don't find it a big deal at all to just do the over
> the shoulder glance. If I had an EFIS that would display it, I would
> probably do it just for the heck of it, but I would still likely just
> do the visual check.
> It's just too simple.
>> Tim
>
>
>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 6:57 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@rvcfi.com> wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB
>> I just use the Vans flap controller with no indicator other than a
>> visual check. I don't find it a big deal at all to just do the over
>> the shoulder glance. If I had an EFIS that would display it, I would
>> probably do it just for the heck of it, but I would still likely just
>> do the visual check.
>> It's just too simple.
>> Tim
>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 6:44 AM, Saint Aviation
>>> <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> =EF=BB You can use the Van=99s Flap Positioning System or you
can just use
>>> a DPDT switch for momentary control. If you want it to control from
>>> your stick grip, you will need a relay deck so you are not running
>>> that much power through a microswitch on the stick.
>>>
>>> Jesse Saint
>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>>> C: 352-427-0285
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 7:29 AM, werner schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote
:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;)
>>>>
>>>> If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an
>>>> Advanced AFS Module, what do you use for the flaps?
>>>>
>>>> - visual controll via an up/down switch ?
>>>> - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an
>>>> up/down switch ?
>>>> - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch?
>>>> - ???
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help
>>>>
>>>> Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976
>>>>
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Many people install a Ray Allen POS-12 position sensor attached somewhere on
a flap bar to measure the extension points and report to your efis. I did
this but cannot find a picture. The POS-12 is connected to my VP-X which
controls flap movement. Basically I used a short piece of hinge material
riveted to the rear spar bulkhead assembly on one end and an adel clamp
around the flap torque tube with a small piece of angle bracket attaching to
the other end. This is all under the passenger side flap torque tube cover
in the rear footwell on my plane. It just barely has enough travel to work.
It has been mostly reliable but occasionally I have to hit the down switch
more than once to get it to move down.
There is also an aftermarket flap motor from PH Aviation that has a built in
potentiometer. Lastly I think Van's upgraded the flap motor recently to a
similar one as PH Aviation. Either of these motors requires a bit of
reworking the flap motor attach point somewhat.
-Ben
-----Original Message-----
I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;)
If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS
Module, what do you use for the flaps?
- visual controll via an up/down switch ?
- the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down
switch ?
- a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch?
- ???
Thanks for your help
Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Controller |
It does. Works well and I haven't had a problem with either airplane.
I do think there is a version you can get from another guy that has
the indicator POT built in, but I have no experience with that one.
Tim
On 1/20/23 10:48 AM, Werner Schneider wrote:
> Thanks Tim an Jesse,
>
> does that controller support 4 position? reflex, 0, half and full?
>
> On 20.01.2023 14:00, Tim Olson wrote:
>> I just use the Vans flap controller with no indicator other than a
>> visual check. I don't find it a big deal at all to just do the over
>> the shoulder glance. If I had an EFIS that would display it, I would
>> probably do it just for the heck of it, but I would still likely just
>> do the visual check.
>> It's just too simple.
>>> Tim
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 6:57 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@rvcfi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I just use the Vans flap controller with no indicator other than a
>>> visual check. I don't find it a big deal at all to just do the over
>>> the shoulder glance. If I had an EFIS that would display it, I would
>>> probably do it just for the heck of it, but I would still likely just
>>> do the visual check.
>>> It's just too simple.
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 6:44 AM, Saint Aviation
>>>> <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You can use the Vans Flap Positioning System or you can just use
>>>> a DPDT switch for momentary control. If you want it to control from
>>>> your stick grip, you will need a relay deck so you are not running
>>>> that much power through a microswitch on the stick.
>>>>
>>>> Jesse Saint
>>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>>>> C: 352-427-0285
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 7:29 AM, werner schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an
>>>>> Advanced AFS Module, what do you use for the flaps?
>>>>>
>>>>> - visual controll via an up/down switch ?
>>>>> - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an
>>>>> up/down switch ?
>>>>> - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch?
>>>>> - ???
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your help
>>>>>
>>>>> Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>
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Oh funny I didn't see the word "neither" in your original email... .
-----Original Message-----
Many people install a Ray Allen POS-12 position sensor attached somewhere on a
flap bar to measure the extension points and report to your efis. I did this
but cannot find a picture. The POS-12 is connected to my VP-X which controls
flap movement. Basically I used a short piece of hinge material riveted to the
rear spar bulkhead assembly on one end and an adel clamp around the flap torque
tube with a small piece of angle bracket attaching to the other end. This
is all under the passenger side flap torque tube cover in the rear footwell on
my plane. It just barely has enough travel to work.
It has been mostly reliable but occasionally I have to hit the down switch more
than once to get it to move down.
There is also an aftermarket flap motor from PH Aviation that has a built in potentiometer.
Lastly I think Van's upgraded the flap motor recently to a similar
one as PH Aviation. Either of these motors requires a bit of reworking the
flap motor attach point somewhat.
-Ben
-----Original Message-----
I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;)
If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS Module,
what do you use for the flaps?
- visual controll via an up/down switch ?
- the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down switch
?
- a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch?
- ???
Thanks for your help
Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Controller |
I agree with Tim.=C2- I finished my build right after Tim.... and here's
the thing, once the flap switch is actuated, you either have to look at a
flap positioning switch, or you have to look out the window.=C2- I also p
refer to look out the window.Don
On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 11:31:44 AM CST, rv10@sinkrate.com <rv10
@sinkrate.com> wrote:
Oh funny I didn't see the word "neither" in your original email... =F0=9F
=98=8A.
-----Original Message-----
Many people install a Ray Allen POS-12 position sensor attached somewhere o
n a flap bar to measure the extension points and report to your efis.=C2-
I did this but cannot find a picture.=C2- The POS-12 is connected to my
VP-X which controls flap movement.=C2- Basically I used a short piece of
hinge material riveted to the rear spar bulkhead assembly on one end and an
adel clamp around the flap torque tube with a small piece of angle bracket
attaching to the other end.=C2- This is all under the passenger side fla
p torque tube cover in the rear footwell on my plane.=C2- It just barely
has enough travel to work.
It has been mostly reliable but occasionally I have to hit the down switch
more than once to get it to move down.
There is also an aftermarket flap motor from PH Aviation that has a built i
n potentiometer.=C2- Lastly I think Van's upgraded the flap motor recentl
y to a similar one as PH Aviation.=C2- Either of these motors requires a
bit of reworking the flap motor attach point somewhat.
-Ben
-----Original Message-----
I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;)
If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS Mo
dule, what do you use for the flaps?
- visual controll via an up/down switch ?
- the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down
switch ?
- a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch?
- ???
Thanks for your help
Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976
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WIKI -
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Controller |
Thanks Ben,
I do have the POS-12 sensor.
On 20.01.2023 17:52, rv10@sinkrate.com wrote:
>
> Many people install a Ray Allen POS-12 position sensor attached somewhere on
> a flap bar to measure the extension points and report to your efis. I did
> this but cannot find a picture. The POS-12 is connected to my VP-X which
> controls flap movement. Basically I used a short piece of hinge material
> riveted to the rear spar bulkhead assembly on one end and an adel clamp
> around the flap torque tube with a small piece of angle bracket attaching to
> the other end. This is all under the passenger side flap torque tube cover
> in the rear footwell on my plane. It just barely has enough travel to work.
> It has been mostly reliable but occasionally I have to hit the down switch
> more than once to get it to move down.
>
> There is also an aftermarket flap motor from PH Aviation that has a built in
> potentiometer. Lastly I think Van's upgraded the flap motor recently to a
> similar one as PH Aviation. Either of these motors requires a bit of
> reworking the flap motor attach point somewhat.
>
> -Ben
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;)
>
> If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS
> Module, what do you use for the flaps?
>
> - visual controll via an up/down switch ?
> - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down
> switch ?
> - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch?
> - ???
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Controller |
Thanks Tim for the confirmation, seems to be the easiest route!
On 20.01.2023 17:57, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> It does. Works well and I haven't had a problem with either airplane.
> I do think there is a version you can get from another guy that has
> the indicator POT built in, but I have no experience with that one.
> Tim
>
> On 1/20/23 10:48 AM, Werner Schneider wrote:
>> Thanks Tim an Jesse,
>>
>> does that controller support 4 position? reflex, 0, half and full?
>>
>> On 20.01.2023 14:00, Tim Olson wrote:
>>> I just use the Vans flap controller with no indicator other than a
>>> visual check. I don't find it a big deal at all to just do the over
>>> the shoulder glance. If I had an EFIS that would display it, I would
>>> probably do it just for the heck of it, but I would still likely
>>> just do the visual check.
>>> It's just too simple.
>>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 6:57 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@rvcfi.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just use the Vans flap controller with no indicator other than a
>>>> visual check. I don't find it a big deal at all to just do the over
>>>> the shoulder glance. If I had an EFIS that would display it, I
>>>> would probably do it just for the heck of it, but I would still
>>>> likely just do the visual check.
>>>> It's just too simple.
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 6:44 AM, Saint Aviation
>>>>> <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You can use the Vans Flap Positioning System or you can just
>>>>> use a DPDT switch for momentary control. If you want it to control
>>>>> from your stick grip, you will need a relay deck so you are not
>>>>> running that much power through a microswitch on the stick.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jesse Saint
>>>>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>>>>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>>>>> C: 352-427-0285
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 7:29 AM, werner schneider <glastar@gmx.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <glastar@gmx.net>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an
>>>>>> Advanced AFS Module, what do you use for the flaps?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - visual controll via an up/down switch ?
>>>>>> - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via
>>>>>> an up/down switch ?
>>>>>> - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch?
>>>>>> - ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your help
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Controller |
Thanks Andrew,
sounds interesting, the Arduino isf fine for so many things, would be
interested to know a bit more, maybe by pmail
glastar at gmx dot net
Werner
On 20.01.2023 14:34, Andrew Johnson wrote:
>
> I use an Arduino with a selector on my panel that has 3 choices: reflex, zero,
half, full. It takes position from a potentiometer in the flap motor assembly
itself. Thats also used to drive the EFIS display.
>
> Simple program. Very reliable. Works every time. Allows my hand to stay on the
stick and throttle.
>
>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 08:23, Kyle Boatright <kboatright1@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I use a simple switch and my eyes. Simple, reliable, inexpensive, and lightweight.
>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 7:31 AM, werner schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;)
>>>
>>> If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS Module,
what do you use for the flaps?
>>>
>>> - visual controll via an up/down switch ?
>>> - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down
switch ?
>>> - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch?
>>> - ???
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help
>>>
>>> Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Controller |
Werner
I marked -30, -15 & 0 on the flap for first flight and flight testing and ha
ve left the markings there for a visual reference, it=99s easy to set m
anually.
Warm regards
PATRICK PULIS JP
Mob: 0418 850 156
=9COnce you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with y
our eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always l
ong to return =9D
Leonardo da Vinci
> On 20 Jan 2023, at 23:08, werner schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
>
net>
>
> I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;)
>
> If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS M
odule, what do you use for the flaps?
>
> - visual controll via an up/down switch ?
> - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down
switch ?
> - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch?
> - ???
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flap Controller |
I flew for the first few years with just the switch and some hash marks on
the flap. Like Tim said, it's easy to look out the window.
Partnership duties required I install the Showplanes system. It works
pretty well but it's more complicated and not as reliable and for me it
doesn't really provide any additional assistance. But the others like it
so it'll stay. It's been there for 10+ years now and every now and then it
indicates incorrectly and gets "stuck", usually in the zero position. Then
you have to run it a couple times til the micro switch goes back to the
desired position. This has happened a handful of times in maybe 1000
hours. So not a huge problem.
The showplanes system does shut off the flap motor when the flaps are full
up. IIRC the motor continues to run (harmlessly) with the Van's system.
So again not a huge advantage. If I did it again I'd just keep the Van's
system.
--Dave
On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 4:33 AM werner schneider <glastar@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;)
>
> If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS
> Module, what do you use for the flaps?
>
> - visual controll via an up/down switch ?
> - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down
> switch ?
> - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch?
> - ???
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976
>
>
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