---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/20/23: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:29 AM - Flap Controller (werner schneider) 2. 04:39 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Saint Aviation) 3. 05:01 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Tim Olson) 4. 05:21 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Kyle Boatright) 5. 05:35 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Andrew Johnson) 6. 08:48 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Werner Schneider) 7. 08:53 AM - Re: Flap Controller () 8. 08:57 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Tim Olson) 9. 09:24 AM - Re: Flap Controller () 10. 09:47 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Don McDonald) 11. 09:53 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Werner Schneider) 12. 09:54 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Werner Schneider) 13. 09:56 AM - Re: Flap Controller (Werner Schneider) 14. 12:26 PM - Re: Flap Controller (Patrick Pulis) 15. 08:02 PM - Re: Flap Controller (Dave Saylor) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:44 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Flap Controller From: "werner schneider" I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;) If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS Module, what do you use for the flaps? - visual controll via an up/down switch ? - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down switch ? - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch? - ??? Thanks for your help Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:13 AM PST US From: Saint Aviation Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap Controller You can use the Van=99s Flap Positioning System or you can just use a DPDT switch for momentary control. If you want it to control from your stick grip, you will need a relay deck so you are not running that much power through a microswitch on the stick. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 > On Jan 20, 2023, at 7:29 AM, werner schneider wrote: > > > I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;) > > If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS Module, what do you use for the flaps? > > - visual controll via an up/down switch ? > - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down switch ? > - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch? > - ??? > > Thanks for your help > > Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:24 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap Controller --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. 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Simple, reliable, inexpensive, and lightweight. > On Jan 20, 2023, at 7:31 AM, werner schneider wrote: > > > I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;) > > If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS Module, what do you use for the flaps? > > - visual controll via an up/down switch ? > - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down switch ? > - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch? > - ??? > > Thanks for your help > > Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:05 AM PST US From: Andrew Johnson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap Controller I use an Arduino with a selector on my panel that has 3 choices: reflex, zero, half, full. It takes position from a potentiometer in the flap motor assembly itself. Thats also used to drive the EFIS display. Simple program. Very reliable. Works every time. Allows my hand to stay on the stick and throttle. > On Jan 20, 2023, at 08:23, Kyle Boatright wrote: > > > I use a simple switch and my eyes. Simple, reliable, inexpensive, and lightweight. > >> On Jan 20, 2023, at 7:31 AM, werner schneider wrote: >> >> >> I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;) >> >> If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS Module, what do you use for the flaps? >> >> - visual controll via an up/down switch ? >> - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down switch ? >> - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch? >> - ??? >> >> Thanks for your help >> >> Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break) >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap Controller From: Werner Schneider Thanks Tim an Jesse, does that controller support 4 position? reflex, 0, half and full? On 20.01.2023 14:00, Tim Olson wrote: > I just use the Vans flap controller with no indicator other than a > visual check. I don't find it a big deal at all to just do the over > the shoulder glance. If I had an EFIS that would display it, I would > probably do it just for the heck of it, but I would still likely just > do the visual check. > It's just too simple. >> Tim > > >> On Jan 20, 2023, at 6:57 AM, Tim Olson wrote: >> >> =EF=BB >> I just use the Vans flap controller with no indicator other than a >> visual check. I don't find it a big deal at all to just do the over >> the shoulder glance. If I had an EFIS that would display it, I would >> probably do it just for the heck of it, but I would still likely just >> do the visual check. >> It's just too simple. >> Tim >> >>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 6:44 AM, Saint Aviation >>> wrote: >>> >>> =EF=BB You can use the Van=99s Flap Positioning System or you can just use >>> a DPDT switch for momentary control. If you want it to control from >>> your stick grip, you will need a relay deck so you are not running >>> that much power through a microswitch on the stick. >>> >>> Jesse Saint >>> Saint Aviation, Inc. >>> jesse@saintaviation.com >>> C: 352-427-0285 >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 7:29 AM, werner schneider wrote : >>>> >>>> >>>> I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;) >>>> >>>> If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an >>>> Advanced AFS Module, what do you use for the flaps? >>>> >>>> - visual controll via an up/down switch ? >>>> - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an >>>> up/down switch ? >>>> - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch? >>>> - ??? >>>> >>>> Thanks for your help >>>> >>>> Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:01 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flap Controller Many people install a Ray Allen POS-12 position sensor attached somewhere on a flap bar to measure the extension points and report to your efis. I did this but cannot find a picture. The POS-12 is connected to my VP-X which controls flap movement. Basically I used a short piece of hinge material riveted to the rear spar bulkhead assembly on one end and an adel clamp around the flap torque tube with a small piece of angle bracket attaching to the other end. This is all under the passenger side flap torque tube cover in the rear footwell on my plane. It just barely has enough travel to work. It has been mostly reliable but occasionally I have to hit the down switch more than once to get it to move down. There is also an aftermarket flap motor from PH Aviation that has a built in potentiometer. Lastly I think Van's upgraded the flap motor recently to a similar one as PH Aviation. Either of these motors requires a bit of reworking the flap motor attach point somewhat. -Ben -----Original Message----- I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;) If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS Module, what do you use for the flaps? - visual controll via an up/down switch ? - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down switch ? - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch? - ??? Thanks for your help Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap Controller From: Tim Olson It does. Works well and I haven't had a problem with either airplane. I do think there is a version you can get from another guy that has the indicator POT built in, but I have no experience with that one. Tim On 1/20/23 10:48 AM, Werner Schneider wrote: > Thanks Tim an Jesse, > > does that controller support 4 position? reflex, 0, half and full? > > On 20.01.2023 14:00, Tim Olson wrote: >> I just use the Vans flap controller with no indicator other than a >> visual check. I don't find it a big deal at all to just do the over >> the shoulder glance. If I had an EFIS that would display it, I would >> probably do it just for the heck of it, but I would still likely just >> do the visual check. >> It's just too simple. >>> Tim >> >> >>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 6:57 AM, Tim Olson wrote: >>> >>> >>> I just use the Vans flap controller with no indicator other than a >>> visual check. I don't find it a big deal at all to just do the over >>> the shoulder glance. If I had an EFIS that would display it, I would >>> probably do it just for the heck of it, but I would still likely just >>> do the visual check. >>> It's just too simple. >>> Tim >>> >>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 6:44 AM, Saint Aviation >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> You can use the Vans Flap Positioning System or you can just use >>>> a DPDT switch for momentary control. If you want it to control from >>>> your stick grip, you will need a relay deck so you are not running >>>> that much power through a microswitch on the stick. >>>> >>>> Jesse Saint >>>> Saint Aviation, Inc. >>>> jesse@saintaviation.com >>>> C: 352-427-0285 >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 7:29 AM, werner schneider wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;) >>>>> >>>>> If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an >>>>> Advanced AFS Module, what do you use for the flaps? >>>>> >>>>> - visual controll via an up/down switch ? >>>>> - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an >>>>> up/down switch ? >>>>> - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch? >>>>> - ??? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for your help >>>>> >>>>> Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:22 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flap Controller Oh funny I didn't see the word "neither" in your original email... . -----Original Message----- Many people install a Ray Allen POS-12 position sensor attached somewhere on a flap bar to measure the extension points and report to your efis. I did this but cannot find a picture. The POS-12 is connected to my VP-X which controls flap movement. Basically I used a short piece of hinge material riveted to the rear spar bulkhead assembly on one end and an adel clamp around the flap torque tube with a small piece of angle bracket attaching to the other end. This is all under the passenger side flap torque tube cover in the rear footwell on my plane. It just barely has enough travel to work. It has been mostly reliable but occasionally I have to hit the down switch more than once to get it to move down. There is also an aftermarket flap motor from PH Aviation that has a built in potentiometer. Lastly I think Van's upgraded the flap motor recently to a similar one as PH Aviation. Either of these motors requires a bit of reworking the flap motor attach point somewhat. -Ben -----Original Message----- I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;) If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS Module, what do you use for the flaps? - visual controll via an up/down switch ? - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down switch ? - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch? - ??? Thanks for your help Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:39 AM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap Controller I agree with Tim.=C2- I finished my build right after Tim.... and here's the thing, once the flap switch is actuated, you either have to look at a flap positioning switch, or you have to look out the window.=C2- I also p refer to look out the window.Don On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 11:31:44 AM CST, rv10@sinkrate.com wrote: Oh funny I didn't see the word "neither" in your original email... =F0=9F =98=8A. -----Original Message----- Many people install a Ray Allen POS-12 position sensor attached somewhere o n a flap bar to measure the extension points and report to your efis.=C2- I did this but cannot find a picture.=C2- The POS-12 is connected to my VP-X which controls flap movement.=C2- Basically I used a short piece of hinge material riveted to the rear spar bulkhead assembly on one end and an adel clamp around the flap torque tube with a small piece of angle bracket attaching to the other end.=C2- This is all under the passenger side fla p torque tube cover in the rear footwell on my plane.=C2- It just barely has enough travel to work. It has been mostly reliable but occasionally I have to hit the down switch more than once to get it to move down. There is also an aftermarket flap motor from PH Aviation that has a built i n potentiometer.=C2- Lastly I think Van's upgraded the flap motor recentl y to a similar one as PH Aviation.=C2- Either of these motors requires a bit of reworking the flap motor attach point somewhat. -Ben -----Original Message----- I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;) If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS Mo dule, what do you use for the flaps? - visual controll via an up/down switch ? - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down switch ? - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch? - ??? Thanks for your help Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976 S - WIKI - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap Controller From: Werner Schneider Thanks Ben, I do have the POS-12 sensor. On 20.01.2023 17:52, rv10@sinkrate.com wrote: > > Many people install a Ray Allen POS-12 position sensor attached somewhere on > a flap bar to measure the extension points and report to your efis. I did > this but cannot find a picture. The POS-12 is connected to my VP-X which > controls flap movement. Basically I used a short piece of hinge material > riveted to the rear spar bulkhead assembly on one end and an adel clamp > around the flap torque tube with a small piece of angle bracket attaching to > the other end. This is all under the passenger side flap torque tube cover > in the rear footwell on my plane. It just barely has enough travel to work. > It has been mostly reliable but occasionally I have to hit the down switch > more than once to get it to move down. > > There is also an aftermarket flap motor from PH Aviation that has a built in > potentiometer. Lastly I think Van's upgraded the flap motor recently to a > similar one as PH Aviation. Either of these motors requires a bit of > reworking the flap motor attach point somewhat. > > -Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > > I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;) > > If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS > Module, what do you use for the flaps? > > - visual controll via an up/down switch ? > - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down > switch ? > - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch? > - ??? > > Thanks for your help > > Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap Controller From: Werner Schneider Thanks Tim for the confirmation, seems to be the easiest route! On 20.01.2023 17:57, Tim Olson wrote: > > It does. Works well and I haven't had a problem with either airplane. > I do think there is a version you can get from another guy that has > the indicator POT built in, but I have no experience with that one. > Tim > > On 1/20/23 10:48 AM, Werner Schneider wrote: >> Thanks Tim an Jesse, >> >> does that controller support 4 position? reflex, 0, half and full? >> >> On 20.01.2023 14:00, Tim Olson wrote: >>> I just use the Vans flap controller with no indicator other than a >>> visual check. I don't find it a big deal at all to just do the over >>> the shoulder glance. If I had an EFIS that would display it, I would >>> probably do it just for the heck of it, but I would still likely >>> just do the visual check. >>> It's just too simple. >>>> Tim >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 6:57 AM, Tim Olson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I just use the Vans flap controller with no indicator other than a >>>> visual check. I don't find it a big deal at all to just do the over >>>> the shoulder glance. If I had an EFIS that would display it, I >>>> would probably do it just for the heck of it, but I would still >>>> likely just do the visual check. >>>> It's just too simple. >>>> Tim >>>> >>>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 6:44 AM, Saint Aviation >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You can use the Vans Flap Positioning System or you can just >>>>> use a DPDT switch for momentary control. If you want it to control >>>>> from your stick grip, you will need a relay deck so you are not >>>>> running that much power through a microswitch on the stick. >>>>> >>>>> Jesse Saint >>>>> Saint Aviation, Inc. >>>>> jesse@saintaviation.com >>>>> C: 352-427-0285 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 7:29 AM, werner schneider >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an >>>>>> Advanced AFS Module, what do you use for the flaps? >>>>>> >>>>>> - visual controll via an up/down switch ? >>>>>> - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via >>>>>> an up/down switch ? >>>>>> - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch? >>>>>> - ??? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for your help >>>>>> >>>>>> Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >> > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap Controller From: Werner Schneider Thanks Andrew, sounds interesting, the Arduino isf fine for so many things, would be interested to know a bit more, maybe by pmail glastar at gmx dot net Werner On 20.01.2023 14:34, Andrew Johnson wrote: > > I use an Arduino with a selector on my panel that has 3 choices: reflex, zero, half, full. It takes position from a potentiometer in the flap motor assembly itself. Thats also used to drive the EFIS display. > > Simple program. Very reliable. Works every time. Allows my hand to stay on the stick and throttle. > >> On Jan 20, 2023, at 08:23, Kyle Boatright wrote: >> >> >> I use a simple switch and my eyes. Simple, reliable, inexpensive, and lightweight. >> >>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 7:31 AM, werner schneider wrote: >>> >>> >>> I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;) >>> >>> If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS Module, what do you use for the flaps? >>> >>> - visual controll via an up/down switch ? >>> - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down switch ? >>> - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch? >>> - ??? >>> >>> Thanks for your help >>> >>> Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:49 PM PST US From: Patrick Pulis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap Controller Werner I marked -30, -15 & 0 on the flap for first flight and flight testing and ha ve left the markings there for a visual reference, it=99s easy to set m anually. Warm regards PATRICK PULIS JP Mob: 0418 850 156 =9COnce you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with y our eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always l ong to return =9D Leonardo da Vinci > On 20 Jan 2023, at 23:08, werner schneider wrote: > net> > > I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;) > > If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS M odule, what do you use for the flaps? > > - visual controll via an up/down switch ? > - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down switch ? > - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch? > - ??? > > Thanks for your help > > Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976 > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:38 PM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap Controller I flew for the first few years with just the switch and some hash marks on the flap. Like Tim said, it's easy to look out the window. Partnership duties required I install the Showplanes system. It works pretty well but it's more complicated and not as reliable and for me it doesn't really provide any additional assistance. But the others like it so it'll stay. It's been there for 10+ years now and every now and then it indicates incorrectly and gets "stuck", usually in the zero position. Then you have to run it a couple times til the micro switch goes back to the desired position. This has happened a handful of times in maybe 1000 hours. So not a huge problem. The showplanes system does shut off the flap motor when the flaps are full up. IIRC the motor continues to run (harmlessly) with the Van's system. So again not a huge advantage. If I did it again I'd just keep the Van's system. --Dave On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 4:33 AM werner schneider wrote: > > I need to pull the knowledge of the community ;) > > If you have neither a Garmin panel (GAD27), nor a VPX or an Advanced AFS > Module, what do you use for the flaps? > > - visual controll via an up/down switch ? > - the display on teh EFIS showing you position of the flaps via an up/down > switch ? > - a controller for fixed position via an up/down switch? > - ??? > > Thanks for your help > > Werner (finishing after a 10 yrs break) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=509976#509976 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.