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1. 12:43 AM - RV3B issues (Bob Hodgson)
2. 04:57 AM - Re: RV3B issues (Arvil)
3. 06:59 AM - RV3 pictures... (rob ray)
4. 08:43 AM - Re: RV3B issues (LessDragProd@aol.com)
5. 09:48 AM - [ Rob Ray ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
6. 01:08 PM - Starting RV-3B this week (Randy Lervold)
7. 02:58 PM - Re: RV3B issues (Arvil)
8. 03:29 PM - Re: [RV-3] Starting RV-3B this week (Randy Lervold)
9. 07:38 PM - Re: RV3B issues (LessDragProd@aol.com)
10. 08:58 PM - Re: RV3B issues (rob ray)
11. 10:05 PM - Re: RV3B issues (Arvil)
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--> RV3-List message posted by: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
That's about it! Van himself is just about the only guy who has direct
experience of the -3, and he's moved 'onwards and upwards' from helping out
builders. (Although Gus, Scott and others have helped with some of my
queries). You soon get to realise that you're more on your own doing a -3
compared to the later models.
Don't believe the drawings! Make everything on the job, using the drawings
as a guide only.
(Of course I don't include important structural details like spar
construction, tail attachments etc, in this. Use your skill and judgement,
ask someone you trust - and you can always try calling Vans . . . )
Make it as though it's a prototype - I've lost count of the small changes on
mine to make things fit or work. Still, it's supposed to be a learning
experience, and frustrating as it is, we learn more doing all this thinking
and making, than by merely assembling a modern pre-this and pre-that kit.
Did I remember to say **Don't believe the drawings** ?
Best of Luck to all RV3 builders still out there!
Bob (UK)
Changing original kit rudder cables (over a foot too short!) for new
(slightly too long) ones
Trying to fit 7" instruments in 6" space
. . . and so it goes on
> Time: 05:15:38 PM PST US
> From: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: RV3-List: RV3B issues
>
> --> RV3-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
>
> I guess they are too busy making RV9's to worry about the original RV
anymore eh?
>
> RR
>
> Leesafur@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV3-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/31/2004 9:36:10 PM Central Standard Time,
> fredbauerjr@cox.net writes:
> This message is an FYI for anyone who is starting a new aircraft.
> Please understand that this message is for information only and may or may
> not be correct.
> BUT---------------
> 1] When we installed the 5 fuselage floor ribs into our jig and attached
> them to the bulkhead frame [center section] we found that the pre bent
front
> flanges on the 5 ribs were bent at an incorrect angle.
> We could not use them as they were supplied to us and had to rebend the
front
> flanges so we could get the correct wing incidence angle as called out in
the
> plans by Van.
> 2] The RV3 weldment for the tail spring was actually and RV4 weldment and
> it had to be trimmed in order for it to fit into the tail cone.
> 3] the large bottom tail cone skin was not furnished long enough to extend
> entirely over the frame bulkheads on the forward and aft edges,
> Therefore ------------
> DO NOT trim the smaller .040 bottom rear skin at the front edge to match
it
> to the fuselage bulkhead like the plans show!
> Wait with trimming that skin until you fit both skins where they overlap,
you
> may need to have a row of rivets connecting the two skins.
> NOTE!
> The skins are supplied to the lengths called for in the plans, I believe
the
> plans dimension is in error.
>
> Fred
> Hay Fred, I stumbled across a revised print for the fuselage bulkhead
station
> positions might be the problem you are having. Try this link and you will
see.
>
>
http://f3.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/MJBKQO0pwJKBYoNhvZNcbGkkGtJ9eUnDcOeZC99rEXUOAbl
Sw
>
ZcNozLpraYrR0sJNT-2ZJAmWgb5gCSdc2OPEmQEwa09KQ/Plan%20Revisions%20from%20'The
%2
> 0RVator'/2001/2nd_issue_2001_pg3.jpg
>
>
> Lee Sahr
> Anoka MN
> RV-3 wing
> 763-213-1124
> 612-363-0730
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--> RV3-List message posted by: Arvil <arvil@bellsouth.net>
To RV-3 builders
Some years back I rebuilt a RV-3 for one of Rob, Ray's F-16 buddys "Randy" The
bigest concern I had with this RV-3 is the rear spare attachment, it was made from
3/4" X 3/4" X 1/8" Alum. angle,
and bolted with a 1/4" bolt, I felt this was just not enough strength at the rear
attachment point I modified it and made the fuselage and the rear spare just like
the RV-4 rear spare attachment point
this was a fairly easy mod to do' the needed information can be found by using
the information off a set of RV-4 drawings also adding another rib near the root
rib is a good Ida I sugest for a new RV-3 builder to get all the news letters
you
can find on RV-3 and go over them to see what other builders have come up with
as well as Matronics to make the RV-3 a safer and easer plane to fly!
This mod dident alter the flying characteristics of the RV-3 witch are very good
Arvil
Bob Hodgson wrote:
> --> RV3-List message posted by: "Bob Hodgson" <bob@hodgson252.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> That's about it! Van himself is just about the only guy who has direct
> experience of the -3, and he's moved 'onwards and upwards' from helping out
> builders. (Although Gus, Scott and others have helped with some of my
> queries). You soon get to realise that you're more on your own doing a -3
> compared to the later models.
>
> Don't believe the drawings! Make everything on the job, using the drawings
> as a guide only.
> (Of course I don't include important structural details like spar
> construction, tail attachments etc, in this. Use your skill and judgement,
> ask someone you trust - and you can always try calling Vans . . . )
>
> Make it as though it's a prototype - I've lost count of the small changes on
> mine to make things fit or work. Still, it's supposed to be a learning
> experience, and frustrating as it is, we learn more doing all this thinking
> and making, than by merely assembling a modern pre-this and pre-that kit.
>
> Did I remember to say **Don't believe the drawings** ?
>
> Best of Luck to all RV3 builders still out there!
>
> Bob (UK)
>
> Changing original kit rudder cables (over a foot too short!) for new
> (slightly too long) ones
> Trying to fit 7" instruments in 6" space
> . . . and so it goes on
>
> > Time: 05:15:38 PM PST US
> > From: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV3-List: RV3B issues
> >
> > --> RV3-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
> >
> > I guess they are too busy making RV9's to worry about the original RV
> anymore eh?
> >
> > RR
> >
> > Leesafur@aol.com wrote:
> > --> RV3-List message posted by: Leesafur@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 1/31/2004 9:36:10 PM Central Standard Time,
> > fredbauerjr@cox.net writes:
> > This message is an FYI for anyone who is starting a new aircraft.
> > Please understand that this message is for information only and may or may
> > not be correct.
> > BUT---------------
> > 1] When we installed the 5 fuselage floor ribs into our jig and attached
> > them to the bulkhead frame [center section] we found that the pre bent
> front
> > flanges on the 5 ribs were bent at an incorrect angle.
> > We could not use them as they were supplied to us and had to rebend the
> front
> > flanges so we could get the correct wing incidence angle as called out in
> the
> > plans by Van.
> > 2] The RV3 weldment for the tail spring was actually and RV4 weldment and
> > it had to be trimmed in order for it to fit into the tail cone.
> > 3] the large bottom tail cone skin was not furnished long enough to extend
> > entirely over the frame bulkheads on the forward and aft edges,
> > Therefore ------------
> > DO NOT trim the smaller .040 bottom rear skin at the front edge to match
> it
> > to the fuselage bulkhead like the plans show!
> > Wait with trimming that skin until you fit both skins where they overlap,
> you
> > may need to have a row of rivets connecting the two skins.
> > NOTE!
> > The skins are supplied to the lengths called for in the plans, I believe
> the
> > plans dimension is in error.
> >
> > Fred
> > Hay Fred, I stumbled across a revised print for the fuselage bulkhead
> station
> > positions might be the problem you are having. Try this link and you will
> see.
> >
> >
> http://f3.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/MJBKQO0pwJKBYoNhvZNcbGkkGtJ9eUnDcOeZC99rEXUOAbl
> Sw
> >
> ZcNozLpraYrR0sJNT-2ZJAmWgb5gCSdc2OPEmQEwa09KQ/Plan%20Revisions%20from%20'The
> %2
> > 0RVator'/2001/2nd_issue_2001_pg3.jpg
> >
> >
> > Lee Sahr
> > Anoka MN
> > RV-3 wing
> > 763-213-1124
> > 612-363-0730
>
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--> RV3-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
Guys, Here is a group of pictures of Ed Compton's RV3 that was for sale several
months back. I believe it is still for sale. 0-290G, no electrics. 276-621-4779
Rob Ray
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--> RV3-List message posted by: LessDragProd@aol.com
In a message dated 03/09/2004 4:57:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,
arvil@bellsouth.net writes:
The bigest concern I had with this RV-3 is the rear spare attachment, it was
made from 3/4" X 3/4" X 1/8" Alum. angle, and bolted with a 1/4" bolt, I felt
this was just not enough strength at the rear attachment point I modified it
and made the fuselage and the rear spare just like
the RV-4 rear spare attachment point
It sounds like you did the rear spar attach modification from the "A" mod.
Did the wing walk area have four ribs under it with a 0.032 thick rib for the
wing root rib?
The four ribs, or two other options, were the other half of the "A" mod.
Jim Ayers
RV-3 "A" mod N47RV
"B" mod (main spar mod) not installed
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| Subject: | [ Rob Ray ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> RV3-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Rob Ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV3 pictures...
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/smokyray@yahoo.com.03.09.2004/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
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o Submitting a Photo Share
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6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
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| Subject: | Starting RV-3B this week |
--> RV3-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
RV-3ers,
First off, let me introduce myself. My name is Randy Lervold, I live in the
Portland, Oregon area (actually in Camas, WA which is right across the
border). I started construction of an RV-8 in 1997 and flew it 3.5 years
later in May of 2001. I put 368 hours on it until finally selling it just
this month. I have long had a soft spot for RV-3s and have decided to go
ahead and build an RV-3B as my next project. I will be picking up my
empennage at Van's this Thursday in addition to ordering all of the other
kits including the QB wings, and will officially be one of you at that time.
I have planned a new O-320, probably fuel injected, built by Aero Sport
Power,
and a Whirl Wind 151 c/s prop. It will be a day/night VFR ship with
an all electric panel (no vacuum system). Given the resale value history of
RV-3s this will not necessarily be a smart investment, my budget seems to
twice what RV-3s are selling for, but hey, it's what I want to build and
should be a very nice RV-3.
I learned a long time ago that these mailing lists, and the online community
in general, are tremendous sources of information and assistance. I put up
www.rv-8.com to document the construction and operation of my RV-8, as well
as sharing tips and tricks with other builders. Since the RV-3 community is
quite small by comparison to the other RV models, and since there doesn't
seem to be a comprehensive RV-3 oriented "headquarter" site, I plan to start
a site devoted the the RV-3. It will have three objectives...
1) Provide overall information about the RV-3.
2) Provide a "registry" of some sort so we can all keep track of each other.
3) Document my own project.
Look for a site within the next couple of weeks at www.rv-3.com. I will be
dressing up the site next week while on vacation and adding content as I
accumulate it.
Lastly, there seem to be two RV-3 mailing lists, the Matronics hosted
rv-3list@matronics.com, and the YahooGroups-based list at
rv-3@yahoogroups.com. Is one preferrable over the other? It seems kind of
silly to always make the same posts to both lists, can we agree on ONE list?
Randy Lervold
Camas, WA
RV-8, 368 hrs, sold
RV-3B, ordering kit this week
www.rv-8.com
www.rv-3.com coming soon
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--> RV3-List message posted by: Arvil <arvil@bellsouth.net>
Jim,
I add the forth rib and the .032 root rib, I made the root rib and
the wing
walk out of .032
the dobble carry threw fuselage attachment and the rear spare attachment
was made
using the RV-4 design, for some this may seem an over kill but I liked
the ida
of the rear spare being held from both sides , and had built enough
RV-4's to
confirm that it would take a good G load
As a ruel I don't recommend and caution making changes are altering the
design,
but this was a design that was being used on the RV-4 and felt it
would be
stronger then the existing design on the RV-3
It was not an after thought that haden't been tested , Is it better
Maby ? is it
as good Yes!
I only mention the Mod as another alternative, not to sugest a fix for
a
problem,
Arvil
-
LessDragProd@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV3-List message posted by: LessDragProd@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 03/09/2004 4:57:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> arvil@bellsouth.net writes:
> The bigest concern I had with this RV-3 is the rear spare attachment, it was
> made from 3/4" X 3/4" X 1/8" Alum. angle, and bolted with a 1/4" bolt, I felt
> this was just not enough strength at the rear attachment point I modified it
> and made the fuselage and the rear spare just like
> the RV-4 rear spare attachment point
> It sounds like you did the rear spar attach modification from the "A" mod.
>
> Did the wing walk area have four ribs under it with a 0.032 thick rib for the
> wing root rib?
> The four ribs, or two other options, were the other half of the "A" mod.
>
> Jim Ayers
> RV-3 "A" mod N47RV
> "B" mod (main spar mod) not installed
>
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| Subject: | Re: [RV-3] Starting RV-3B this week |
--> RV3-List message posted by: "Randy Lervold" <randy@rv-8.com>
Guys,
I've already received quite a few responses, both on list and off, applauding the
increased interest in the RV-3. In terms of getting us all on the same mailing
list I'm going to suggest we all standardize on the YahooGroups list (RV-3@yahoogroups.com)
simply because of the other features they offer: file storage,
photo albums, and a database. Doug Reeves, the group owner, has set me up as
an admin so I'll look into setting these extra features up and running. We'll
likely put the Registry in the database section rather than me reinventing the
wheel on my new site.
Any objections or other preferences?
Randy Lervold
www.rv-3.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Carter Wright
To: RV-3@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: [RV-3] Starting RV-3B this week
Randy,
I am considering building a -3 in the near future, and have also been monitoring
the lists. I am thrilled that you have taken it upon yourself to put up a
comprehensive web site. If you wish, I can forward some of the photos I have
been collecting. I also like the idea of a database to keep track of the flying
and under-construction aircraft.
I'd be happy to pick "one list" if the group agrees, and I don't care which one.
Thanks, and Congratulations
Carter NYC, reading and re-reading the preview plans
a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RV-3/
b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
RV-3-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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--> RV3-List message posted by: LessDragProd@aol.com
Hi Arvil,
You did good.
I have a set of RV-3 wings to complete the "A" mod on. The original builder
only did half of the mod.
Jim Ayers
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--> RV3-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
Hi Jim;
I had my cowl off today and the distance from the front of the ring gear where
the extension attaches to the edge of the cowling is just a smidgeon over 3
1/4 " but less than 3.5.
Hope that helps.
RR
LessDragProd@aol.com wrote:
--> RV3-List message posted by: LessDragProd@aol.com
Hi Arvil,
You did good.
I have a set of RV-3 wings to complete the "A" mod on. The original builder
only did half of the mod.
Jim Ayers
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--> RV3-List message posted by: Arvil <arvil@bellsouth.net>
Jim,
Good luck on the RV-3 wings
Arvil
LessDragProd@aol.com wrote:
> --> RV3-List message posted by: LessDragProd@aol.com
>
> Hi Arvil,
>
> You did good.
>
> I have a set of RV-3 wings to complete the "A" mod on. The original builder
> only did half of the mod.
>
> Jim Ayers
>
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