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--> RV4-List message posted by: "Nic Hart" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Rob, Thanks - That's the kind of comment that makes me sit-up and listen.
Today I travelled to see the only Harmon II in the UK - but it is still a
long way from flying and needs a permit to do so and that is by no means
guaranteed. In this instance I don't feel like spending years or months
arguing with our PFA or CAA to get my project in the air, I am happy to
build once there is a precedent, but I would need a two seater in the
meantime.
So that leaves me back where I started looking at the RV range. For the last
five years I have been flying single seaters (Pitts and similar) and so I
like the idea of sitting on the centre-line. I find the RV-8 lacks the lines
and grace of the RV4 and really could do with a revised turtle deck to give
more of a Rocket look.
So what can I get for my money in the USA in the way of a really good RV4 to
keep me going? My thoughts are to go for a recent high quality build 180hp
c/s with a really good panel, so that I can have a plane that will really
make me leave the Pitts in the hangar for years to come !
Given that I can find the budget - where do I look ? Barnstormers has the
odd RV4 from time to time but is this the best place ?
Thanks for your help, Nic
----- Original Message ----- > --> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray
<smokyray@yahoo.com>
>
> Nick, How much money do you have to spend? The January 2004 Kitplanes
ranks the
> best XC kitplanes and in the "bang for the buck" category or in your case,
"bang
> for the pound", the RV4 was #2 only to the Mustang II. The RV8 was #10.
Why?
> COST!
> Bottom line, flown correctly, my RV4 can whip a 180HP Pitts in a
dogfight, haul
> the same exact useful load as a super cub, and outrun alot of light twins,
and
> cost less than $30,000 US to put together in 97'. Yes, I am a bit partial
to
> the design, but I have flown the RV8 and it is heavier and just doesn't
fly
> the same as a 4.
> If you build an RV4, your Pitts will end up gathering dust...
>
> My two cents worth.
>
> Rob Ray
> 1100 hours RV4 (300 inverted)
>
>
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--> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
Hi Nic;
Barnstormers is a great site and www.trade-a-plane.com is another. I have helped five of my buddies in my F16 squadron find RV4's in the past 2 years and they paid between $45,000 and $62,000 US for their airplanes. The 45K was a 160HP wood prop (he is 6'3" 220 lbs) and the 62K was built by Art Chard(built all of Van's prototypes except the 10) and has a Lalonde 190HP(9.4:1 pistons in 0-360) Hartzell C/S and weighs 975 lbs. It is truly the finest RV I have ever flown (next to mine of course) and trues out at 175knots 24/24. Inbetween the two extremes of price were three 180 C/S RV4's that were 49K, (no paint) 55K (VFR), 60K, (very nice). Also our wing commander traded his Mooney and some cash for a 180/sensenich FP metal RV-8 and another SQ mate bought an older(1986) RV4 with a 180HP IO-360 C/S for 36K (leaky tanks). Hope that helps with your price range. I am the lightest owner at 5'10" and 175. The biggest is 6'3" and 230lbs and he has no problem once he gets in.
Let me know what you find and maybe I can help you with any questions....good luck.
Rob Ray
Nic Hart <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk> wrote:
--> RV4-List message posted by: "Nic Hart"
Rob, Thanks - That's the kind of comment that makes me sit-up and listen.
Today I travelled to see the only Harmon II in the UK - but it is still a
long way from flying and needs a permit to do so and that is by no means
guaranteed. In this instance I don't feel like spending years or months
arguing with our PFA or CAA to get my project in the air, I am happy to
build once there is a precedent, but I would need a two seater in the
meantime.
So that leaves me back where I started looking at the RV range. For the last
five years I have been flying single seaters (Pitts and similar) and so I
like the idea of sitting on the centre-line. I find the RV-8 lacks the lines
and grace of the RV4 and really could do with a revised turtle deck to give
more of a Rocket look.
So what can I get for my money in the USA in the way of a really good RV4 to
keep me going? My thoughts are to go for a recent high quality build 180hp
c/s with a really good panel, so that I can have a plane that will really
make me leave the Pitts in the hangar for years to come !
Given that I can find the budget - where do I look ? Barnstormers has the
odd RV4 from time to time but is this the best place ?
Thanks for your help, Nic
----- Original Message ----- > --> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray
>
> Nick, How much money do you have to spend? The January 2004 Kitplanes
ranks the
> best XC kitplanes and in the "bang for the buck" category or in your case,
"bang
> for the pound", the RV4 was #2 only to the Mustang II. The RV8 was #10.
Why?
> COST!
> Bottom line, flown correctly, my RV4 can whip a 180HP Pitts in a
dogfight, haul
> the same exact useful load as a super cub, and outrun alot of light twins,
and
> cost less than $30,000 US to put together in 97'. Yes, I am a bit partial
to
> the design, but I have flown the RV8 and it is heavier and just doesn't
fly
> the same as a 4.
> If you build an RV4, your Pitts will end up gathering dust...
>
> My two cents worth.
>
> Rob Ray
> 1100 hours RV4 (300 inverted)
>
>
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