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1. 04:51 AM - Anybody out there?? (Ron Patterson)
2. 06:33 AM - Re: Anybody out there? (Pat Perry)
3. 09:38 AM - Re: Anybody out there? (Moore, Warren)
4. 12:02 PM - Re: RV4-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/17/04 (RV4WGH@aol.com)
5. 03:05 PM - Re:Anybody out there (Bob n' Lu Olds)
6. 03:27 PM - RV4 Builder (Bruce Bell)
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| Subject: | Anybody out there?? |
--> RV4-List message posted by: Ron Patterson <scc_ron@yahoo.com>
Hey Tim, Chuck, Bob, Rob and Hal...
Great to hear from you guys. Nobody sounds disappointed in their choice of the
-4, as I expected.
I've got the Whirlwind 151 on order and a lycoming O-320-D1A out in the shop with
Lycon cylinders that puts out 178HP.... that clean design doesn't need so much
raw HP in my opinion.
Planning on a mostly glass panel including the Dynon and the VM-1000
Have digitrak and altrak ready to go too.
I've had a lot of ideas about how to reintroduce this kit with variations, but
no knowhow on how to get the engineering done:
I'd like to see it offered the way Mark Friedrick does with the F-1...
Slider Canopy....like Greg Klema's
Prepunched and Quickbuild kit (the layout and drilling is half of the time it takes
to build)
Slight stretch in the fuse, so the backseat is more comfortable (3-6").
How about the -4 with the new tapered wing from Mark F.??? I think that could be
way cool.
Ron
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--> RV4-List message posted by: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv@hotmail.com>
There are still RV-4 builders and fliers watching the list! Congrats on
getting your hands on a great little airplane, you won't be disappointed.
It would be a good idea to watch the RV-list also. Most of the info crosses
to all RV models. The guys who built -3's -4's and early 6's had to build
the same way you do so they have good info to help you out of problems.
I agree the -4 is the best looking of the RV's, I have only flown the -6 and
the -4 so I can't judge if it fly's better than the others but it would be
tough to beat!
Pat Perry
Dallas, PA
RV-4 N154PK Flies great!
>From: Ron Patterson <scc_ron@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: rv4-list@matronics.com
>To: rv4-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there?
>Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:06:32 -0800 (PST)
>
>--> RV4-List message posted by: Ron Patterson <scc_ron@yahoo.com>
>
>Hello,
>
>I've been doing alot of reading, but not much posting on these lists.
>Thought I'd try getting involved a bit with fellow builders.
>
>I'm writing to see if there are still guys building the RV-4? I just
>purchased a new kit and started on it about January 1st, 04. Luckily I have
>a friend (Mark Koenig) who is an experienced builder and is helping me
>(actually I'm helping him). We're about to finish the empennage and I'm
>picking up the rest of the kit next week if all goes well.
>
>No doubt about it, this is the hard way to build an airplane. I now have
>alot of respect for the guys that went before me who didn't have the
>benefit of the refinements of the later kits (prepunch and quickbuilds).
>Getting these -3's and 4's to fly safe and straight is a real effort. Semms
>to me It needs to be a labor of love or it won't likely come out right.
>
>Recently I was in Missoula MT and had the opportunity of meeting Art Chard
>at his shop in Stevensville. I learned alot about the evolution of the RV
>series and his part in the design and building of them. Nice man. Built 47
>airplanes so far! Was in the midle of an F-1 when I was there in December.
>
>Seems to me it's too bad Van wouldn't put this kit out in a prepunched
>version. I still feel it's his best design. I've spoken to a couple of
>folks at the factory and it seems the cost of reverse engineering the kit
>would be large and the market for the -3 and -4 pretty small. Wouldn't make
>a good business decision.
>
>If you have built, or you are currently building a -3 or a -4, drop a note
>about your experience. Would be good to hear about 'how they used to do it'
>and how some of us are still at it.
>
>Ron Patterson
>N8ZD reserved
>Northern California
>
>
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--> RV4-List message posted by: "Moore, Warren" <Warren.Moore@TidelandsOil.com>
I am just finishing my -4 in southern California. Have moved it a hanger in
Upland, Ca. (Cable Airport). Hope to get it flying in the next few months.
Took me about 5 years, but then again I work full time and have kids. I
agree the -4 is stone age compared to the new pre-punched -7 &-8's. By
mistake Van's sent me some replacement parts for a -7 rudder, the skin,
trailing edge, and all the stiffners were pre cut and pre
drilled.....amazing! I'm sure you are tired of making stiffners about now.
You are indeed lucky to have a experienced builder as a friend...it will
make a big difference in build time and confidence. All in all the -4 kit
is pretty good, off hand the only real problem I can remember now is that
the plans for the flaps are off. When you build your Flaps...don't drill or
rivet the inboard rib or the support brackets for the actuator rods. you
can easily do this when your wings are attached to the fuselage and get a
perfect fit. If you build them to plans they will be 1/2 to 1 in. too long.
Check the archives. Van's will tell you to get a hammer and pound on the
fuselage until the flap clears!!!! Also, I don't know if Vans still has the
Polyester cowl as standard or not, in any event it was a piece of crap...by
all means pay up for the new expoy one, fits better, lighter, and will save
you a lot of time and aggravation. If I can think of anything else I'll
drop you a note....good luck.
Regards, Warren Moore
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Patterson [mailto:scc_ron@yahoo.com]
Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there?
--> RV4-List message posted by: Ron Patterson <scc_ron@yahoo.com>
Hello,
I've been doing alot of reading, but not much posting on these lists.
Thought I'd try getting involved a bit with fellow builders.
I'm writing to see if there are still guys building the RV-4? I just
purchased a new kit and started on it about January 1st, 04. Luckily I have
a friend (Mark Koenig) who is an experienced builder and is helping me
(actually I'm helping him). We're about to finish the empennage and I'm
picking up the rest of the kit next week if all goes well.
No doubt about it, this is the hard way to build an airplane. I now have
alot of respect for the guys that went before me who didn't have the benefit
of the refinements of the later kits (prepunch and quickbuilds). Getting
these -3's and 4's to fly safe and straight is a real effort. Semms to me It
needs to be a labor of love or it won't likely come out right.
Recently I was in Missoula MT and had the opportunity of meeting Art Chard
at his shop in Stevensville. I learned alot about the evolution of the RV
series and his part in the design and building of them. Nice man. Built 47
airplanes so far! Was in the midle of an F-1 when I was there in December.
Seems to me it's too bad Van wouldn't put this kit out in a prepunched
version. I still feel it's his best design. I've spoken to a couple of folks
at the factory and it seems the cost of reverse engineering the kit would be
large and the market for the -3 and -4 pretty small. Wouldn't make a good
business decision.
If you have built, or you are currently building a -3 or a -4, drop a note
about your experience. Would be good to hear about 'how they used to do it'
and how some of us are still at it.
Ron Patterson
N8ZD reserved
Northern California
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| Subject: | Re: RV4-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/17/04 |
--> RV4-List message posted by: RV4WGH@aol.com
Hi RV-4 Builders,
I am in the finishing stage on my RV-4. Currently working on installing the
cowling. Driving me nuts! Have the canopy cut out and clamped to the frame.
Ready for drilling and forming of the side skins. Engine hung but no system
hookups yet. Project is in my heated shop in my hangar at Cottonwood Airport.
Wally Hunt
1658 Plaza Drive
Rockford, IL 61108
815-332-4708
cell 262-3153
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--> RV4-List message posted by: "Bob n' Lu Olds" <oldsfolks@aol.com>
Warren mentions that the polyesester cowling is a piece of crap! Funny, I sent
Van's an email telling them the same thing about the new pre-preg cowl !! I
sanded and sanded until my air sanders were about worn out , and my fingers were
raw , but the @$%
& thing wouldn't smooth out. I finally just painted it ! I later found out about
"Smooth Prime" from Poly Fibre , on one of these lists. Boy !! What a difference.
It goes on with a roller and fills those pinholes in the #$
& fibreglas like magic. Maybe the pre-preg wouldn't have been so disgusting if
I had known about the Smooth Prime before.
This list and the Van's Air Force yahoo groups are really great !!
Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X
Charleston,Arkansas
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--> RV4-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" <rv4bell@door.net>
Hi RV4 Folks,
I bought plans for the RV4 ( #2888) in 90 or 91. So long ago I forgot in my
old age! Bought the tail kit in June 95. RV8 came out that July! This
afternoon I wheeled the fuselage out in the driveway and sprayed on the
primer coat, also the canopy. It is all done but paint. Wired per Electric
Bob's book. Passed the smoke test. No leaks! Bob was very helpful. Starter
and alternator B&C. RMI monitor and encoder. AOA by Proprietary Software
systems, Inc. Duckworks landing lights. Ignition by Jeff Rose. Fuel
injection by Airflow Performance. Val Comm. Radio. Narco transponder. Anyway
there are a few RV4's around. I prefer the RV-List for info but do monitor
the RV4-List. Can't wait to fly!
Best regards,
Bruce Bell
Lubbock, Texas
RV4 # 2888
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