---------------------------------------------------------- RV4-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/22/04: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:24 PM - Re: RV4-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 02/19/04 (rob ray) 2. 09:04 PM - Re: RV4-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 02/18/04 (rob ray) 3. 09:10 PM - Re: Re: RV4-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 02/18/04 (Tom Gummo) 4. 09:17 PM - Re: Re: RV4-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 02/18/04 (rob ray) 5. 09:33 PM - Re: Anybody out there? (rob ray) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:57 PM PST US From: rob ray Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 02/19/04 --> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray Two answers, first you can get your prop balanced at Bessemer Alabama at a prop shop . There is also a guy on the internet who will come to you and balance as well. Second, Art Chard can be reached through Scott at Van's. Try support@vansaircraft.com. RR RV4-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete RV4-List Digest can be also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2004-02-19.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2004-02-19.txt ================================================ EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================ RV4-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/19/04: 5 Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:10 AM - Re: Anybody out there/Art Chard (Tim Bronson) 2. 11:06 AM - Re: Re:Anybody out there (Moore, Warren) 3. 12:56 PM - Prop balancing (glennpaulwilkinson) 4. 03:55 PM - Re: Prop balancing (Jim Duffy) 5. 04:38 PM - Re: Prop balancing (Tim Barnes) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:36 AM PST US From: Tim Bronson Subject: Re: RV4-List: Anybody out there/Art Chard --> RV4-List message posted by: Tim Bronson Hey Rob, Would your friend know how to contact Art Chard? I would like to get in touch with him to ask about the RV-6 tanks. If you don't want to put his contact info on the list, feel free to email me off-line: RV4mation@yahoo.com Thanks. Tim rob ray wrote: ...one of them bought an awesome RV4 (nicest one I have ever seen) built by Art Chard. We call it, "a work of art" ha! It has a Bart Lalonde 0-360 with 9.4:1 pistons, RV6 wingtanks (highly recommended) and just plain nice workmanship... --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:11 AM PST US From: "Moore, Warren" Subject: RE: RV4-List: Re:Anybody out there --> RV4-List message posted by: "Moore, Warren" At first I bought the polyester cowl with the finishing kit. It was really warped and twisted, Vans said that after sitting on their shelf for better part of a year, polyester continues to cure and will warp "some". It was warped more than some, after a couple of months of cutting, re-glassing, sanding, heat-gunning,etc I got an acceptable fit around the inlets, but it never really fit around the cowl cheeks. I gave up, bought the epoxy one. It was not a perfect fit at first, but very close. Did some minor glassing around the inlets. And then, like Bob and everyone else, started sanding. Could you imagine building a entire airplane out of fiberglass!!! After I got a pretty smooth finish I used a credit card and smeared a light coat of real runny micro, and then, of course sanded again and again. Final coat was UV smoothprime, used a roller. tried my spray gun, but think rolling is better. Then hit it with some 400 wet/dry. I think (fingers crossed) I'm ready for final paint. -----Original Message----- From: Bob n' Lu Olds [mailto:oldsfolks@aol.com] Subject: RV4-List: Re:Anybody out there --> RV4-List message posted by: "Bob n' Lu Olds" Warren mentions that the polyesester cowling is a piece of crap! Funny, I sent Van's an email telling them the same thing about the new pre-preg cowl !! I sanded and sanded until my air sanders were about worn out , and my fingers were raw , but the @$% & thing wouldn't smooth out. I finally just painted it ! I later found out about "Smooth Prime" from Poly Fibre , on one of these lists. Boy !! What a difference. It goes on with a roller and fills those pinholes in the #$ & fibreglas like magic. Maybe the pre-preg wouldn't have been so disgusting if I had known about the Smooth Prime before. This list and the Van's Air Force yahoo groups are really great !! Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X Charleston,Arkansas ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:16 PM PST US From: "glennpaulwilkinson" Subject: RV4-List: Prop balancing --> RV4-List message posted by: "glennpaulwilkinson" Have any of you had your prop balanced? Are you pleased with the results? About how much does it cost? Do you know of someone/company who does this in Georgia or nearby? Glenn RV-4 654RV @ OKZ 27 hrs and loving it! gpww@alltel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:05 PM PST US From: "Jim Duffy" Subject: Re: RV4-List: Prop balancing --> RV4-List message posted by: "Jim Duffy" I have been doing dynamic propeller balancing for over ten years and I can tell you that this is absolutely the best money you can spend on preventive maintenanc. It will save you money on structural, avionics, instrument repairs, and reduce pilot fatique. I have done well over 200 and about 90% of the aircraft benifit from it. I charge $150.00, I think most shops start at about this price. Contact Chadwick Helmuth Inc., they have a website and they can tell you who is doing it in your area. Jim, Ogden, Utah ----- Original Message ----- From: "glennpaulwilkinson" Subject: RV4-List: Prop balancing > --> RV4-List message posted by: "glennpaulwilkinson" > > Have any of you had your prop balanced? Are you pleased with the results? About how much does it cost? Do you know of someone/company who does this in Georgia or nearby? > > Glenn > RV-4 654RV @ OKZ > 27 hrs and loving it! > gpww@alltel.net > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:21 PM PST US From: "Tim Barnes" Subject: RE: RV4-List: Prop balancing --> RV4-List message posted by: "Tim Barnes" It cost between $150.00 - 250.00 depending on who does it. as far as "if it is worth it" the answer is YES. It makes everything work better and less fatige when you are flying. You will get used to the smoothness very quickly. when finding someone to do this ask your local prop shops or engine performance shops. They can send to the right guy >From: "glennpaulwilkinson" >Reply-To: rv4-list@matronics.com >To: "hello" >Subject: RV4-List: Prop balancing >Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:03:41 -0500 > >--> RV4-List message posted by: "glennpaulwilkinson" > >Have any of you had your prop balanced? Are you pleased with the results? >About how much does it cost? Do you know of someone/company who does this >in Georgia or nearby? > >Glenn >RV-4 654RV @ OKZ >27 hrs and loving it! >gpww@alltel.net > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:17 PM PST US From: rob ray Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 02/18/04 --> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray RV4 faithful, don't hold your breath on RV4 upgrades as long as Van makes more money selling RV8's and side by side trainers (6-7-9A's), I don't even consider them RV's. I do think he will continue making the kits for the 50 or so 4's he sells every year. After 1100 hours on my RV4 and operating out of 1000' cub strips and a few field roads, climbing to 20K one time with just a wood prop and 150HP, it is the definition of total performance on a budget.I haven't found an airplane I like better except the F16, and that is saying alot. One of my military buds is scratch building a set of P-51 type laminar flow wings for his RV4, but owns a stock RV4 for daily flying.We will see how it performs when it's done... I don't think you could improve the design without becoming a Harmon Rocket and keep the cost low. Keep banging thoses rivets!!! Rob Ray RV4-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete RV4-List Digest can be also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2004-02-18.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2004-02-18.txt ================================================ EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================ RV4-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/18/04: 6 Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:51 AM - Anybody out there?? (Ron Patterson) 2. 06:33 AM - Re: Anybody out there? (Pat Perry) 3. 09:38 AM - Re: Anybody out there? (Moore, Warren) 4. 12:02 PM - Re: RV4-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/17/04 (RV4WGH@aol.com) 5. 03:05 PM - Re:Anybody out there (Bob n' Lu Olds) 6. 03:27 PM - RV4 Builder (Bruce Bell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:16 AM PST US From: Ron Patterson Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there?? --> RV4-List message posted by: Ron Patterson Hey Tim, Chuck, Bob, Rob and Hal... Great to hear from you guys. Nobody sounds disappointed in their choice of the -4, as I expected. I've got the Whirlwind 151 on order and a lycoming O-320-D1A out in the shop with Lycon cylinders that puts out 178HP.... that clean design doesn't need so much raw HP in my opinion. Planning on a mostly glass panel including the Dynon and the VM-1000 Have digitrak and altrak ready to go too. I've had a lot of ideas about how to reintroduce this kit with variations, but no knowhow on how to get the engineering done: I'd like to see it offered the way Mark Friedrick does with the F-1... Slider Canopy....like Greg Klema's Prepunched and Quickbuild kit (the layout and drilling is half of the time it takes to build) Slight stretch in the fuse, so the backseat is more comfortable (3-6"). How about the -4 with the new tapered wing from Mark F.??? I think that could be way cool. Ron ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:47 AM PST US From: "Pat Perry" Subject: RE: RV4-List: Anybody out there? --> RV4-List message posted by: "Pat Perry" There are still RV-4 builders and fliers watching the list! Congrats on getting your hands on a great little airplane, you won't be disappointed. It would be a good idea to watch the RV-list also. Most of the info crosses to all RV models. The guys who built -3's -4's and early 6's had to build the same way you do so they have good info to help you out of problems. I agree the -4 is the best looking of the RV's, I have only flown the -6 and the -4 so I can't judge if it fly's better than the others but it would be tough to beat! Pat Perry Dallas, PA RV-4 N154PK Flies great! >From: Ron Patterson >Reply-To: rv4-list@matronics.com >To: rv4-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there? >Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:06:32 -0800 (PST) > >--> RV4-List message posted by: Ron Patterson > >Hello, > >I've been doing alot of reading, but not much posting on these lists. >Thought I'd try getting involved a bit with fellow builders. > >I'm writing to see if there are still guys building the RV-4? I just >purchased a new kit and started on it about January 1st, 04. Luckily I have >a friend (Mark Koenig) who is an experienced builder and is helping me >(actually I'm helping him). We're about to finish the empennage and I'm >picking up the rest of the kit next week if all goes well. > >No doubt about it, this is the hard way to build an airplane. I now have >alot of respect for the guys that went before me who didn't have the >benefit of the refinements of the later kits (prepunch and quickbuilds). >Getting these -3's and 4's to fly safe and straight is a real effort. Semms >to me It needs to be a labor of love or it won't likely come out right. > >Recently I was in Missoula MT and had the opportunity of meeting Art Chard >at his shop in Stevensville. I learned alot about the evolution of the RV >series and his part in the design and building of them. Nice man. Built 47 >airplanes so far! Was in the midle of an F-1 when I was there in December. > >Seems to me it's too bad Van wouldn't put this kit out in a prepunched >version. I still feel it's his best design. I've spoken to a couple of >folks at the factory and it seems the cost of reverse engineering the kit >would be large and the market for the -3 and -4 pretty small. Wouldn't make >a good business decision. > >If you have built, or you are currently building a -3 or a -4, drop a note >about your experience. Would be good to hear about 'how they used to do it' >and how some of us are still at it. > >Ron Patterson >N8ZD reserved >Northern California > > Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:49 AM PST US From: "Moore, Warren" Subject: RE: RV4-List: Anybody out there? --> RV4-List message posted by: "Moore, Warren" I am just finishing my -4 in southern California. Have moved it a hanger in Upland, Ca. (Cable Airport). Hope to get it flying in the next few months. Took me about 5 years, but then again I work full time and have kids. I agree the -4 is stone age compared to the new pre-punched -7 &-8's. By mistake Van's sent me some replacement parts for a -7 rudder, the skin, trailing edge, and all the stiffners were pre cut and pre drilled.....amazing! I'm sure you are tired of making stiffners about now. You are indeed lucky to have a experienced builder as a friend...it will make a big difference in build time and confidence. All in all the -4 kit is pretty good, off hand the only real problem I can remember now is that the plans for the flaps are off. When you build your Flaps...don't drill or rivet the inboard rib or the support brackets for the actuator rods. you can easily do this when your wings are attached to the fuselage and get a perfect fit. If you build them to plans they will be 1/2 to 1 in. too long. Check the archives. Van's will tell you to get a hammer and pound on the fuselage until the flap clears!!!! Also, I don't know if Vans still has the Polyester cowl as standard or not, in any event it was a piece of crap...by all means pay up for the new expoy one, fits better, lighter, and will save you a lot of time and aggravation. If I can think of anything else I'll drop you a note....good luck. Regards, Warren Moore -----Original Message----- From: Ron Patterson [mailto:scc_ron@yahoo.com] Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there? --> RV4-List message posted by: Ron Patterson Hello, I've been doing alot of reading, but not much posting on these lists. Thought I'd try getting involved a bit with fellow builders. I'm writing to see if there are still guys building the RV-4? I just purchased a new kit and started on it about January 1st, 04. Luckily I have a friend (Mark Koenig) who is an experienced builder and is helping me (actually I'm helping him). We're about to finish the empennage and I'm picking up the rest of the kit next week if all goes well. No doubt about it, this is the hard way to build an airplane. I now have alot of respect for the guys that went before me who didn't have the benefit of the refinements of the later kits (prepunch and quickbuilds). Getting these -3's and 4's to fly safe and straight is a real effort. Semms to me It needs to be a labor of love or it won't likely come out right. Recently I was in Missoula MT and had the opportunity of meeting Art Chard at his shop in Stevensville. I learned alot about the evolution of the RV series and his part in the design and building of them. Nice man. Built 47 airplanes so far! Was in the midle of an F-1 when I was there in December. Seems to me it's too bad Van wouldn't put this kit out in a prepunched version. I still feel it's his best design. I've spoken to a couple of folks at the factory and it seems the cost of reverse engineering the kit would be large and the market for the -3 and -4 pretty small. Wouldn't make a good business decision. If you have built, or you are currently building a -3 or a -4, drop a note about your experience. Would be good to hear about 'how they used to do it' and how some of us are still at it. Ron Patterson N8ZD reserved Northern California ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:02:01 PM PST US From: RV4WGH@aol.com Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/17/04 --> RV4-List message posted by: RV4WGH@aol.com Hi RV-4 Builders, I am in the finishing stage on my RV-4. Currently working on installing the cowling. Driving me nuts! Have the canopy cut out and clamped to the frame. Ready for drilling and forming of the side skins. Engine hung but no system hookups yet. Project is in my heated shop in my hangar at Cottonwood Airport. Wally Hunt 1658 Plaza Drive Rockford, IL 61108 815-332-4708 cell 262-3153 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:05:21 PM PST US From: "Bob n' Lu Olds" Subject: RV4-List: Re:Anybody out there --> RV4-List message posted by: "Bob n' Lu Olds" Warren mentions that the polyesester cowling is a piece of crap! Funny, I sent Van's an email telling them the same thing about the new pre-preg cowl !! I sanded and sanded until my air sanders were about worn out , and my fingers were raw , but the @$% & thing wouldn't smooth out. I finally just painted it ! I later found out about "Smooth Prime" from Poly Fibre , on one of these lists. Boy !! What a difference. It goes on with a roller and fills those pinholes in the #$ & fibreglas like magic. Maybe the pre-preg wouldn't have been so disgusting if I had known about the Smooth Prime before. This list and the Van's Air Force yahoo groups are really great !! Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X Charleston,Arkansas ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:12 PM PST US From: "Bruce Bell" Subject: RV4-List: RV4 Builder --> RV4-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" Hi RV4 Folks, I bought plans for the RV4 ( #2888) in 90 or 91. So long ago I forgot in my old age! Bought the tail kit in June 95. RV8 came out that July! This afternoon I wheeled the fuselage out in the driveway and sprayed on the primer coat, also the canopy. It is all done but paint. Wired per Electric Bob's book. Passed the smoke test. No leaks! Bob was very helpful. Starter and alternator B&C. RMI monitor and encoder. AOA by Proprietary Software systems, Inc. Duckworks landing lights. Ignition by Jeff Rose. Fuel injection by Airflow Performance. Val Comm. Radio. Narco transponder. Anyway there are a few RV4's around. I prefer the RV-List for info but do monitor the RV4-List. Can't wait to fly! Best regards, Bruce Bell Lubbock, Texas RV4 # 2888 --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:56 PM PST US From: "Tom Gummo" Subject: Re: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 02/18/04 --> RV4-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" One rumor going around is that Van once said "I can't stop making RV-4 kits as where would the Harmon Rocket guys get their parts!" Tom Gummo Apple Valley, CA Harmon Rocket-II do not archive http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob ray" Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 02/18/04 > --> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray > > RV4 faithful, don't hold your breath on RV4 upgrades as long as Van makes more money selling RV8's and side by side trainers (6-7-9A's), I don't even consider them RV's. I do think he will continue making the kits for the 50 or so 4's he sells every year. After 1100 hours on my RV4 and operating out of 1000' cub strips and a few field roads, climbing to 20K one time with just a wood prop and 150HP, it is the definition of total performance on a budget.I haven't found an airplane I like better except the F16, and that is saying alot. One of my military buds is scratch building a set of P-51 type laminar flow wings for his RV4, but owns a stock RV4 for daily flying.We will see how it performs when it's done... I don't think you could improve the design without becoming a Harmon Rocket and keep the cost low. Keep banging thoses rivets!!! > > Rob Ray > > > RV4-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete RV4-List Digest can be also be found in either > of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked > Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII > version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic > text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > Text Version: > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > RV4-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Wed 02/18/04: 6 > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 04:51 AM - Anybody out there?? (Ron Patterson) > 2. 06:33 AM - Re: Anybody out there? (Pat Perry) > 3. 09:38 AM - Re: Anybody out there? (Moore, Warren) > 4. 12:02 PM - Re: RV4-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/17/04 (RV4WGH@aol.com) > 5. 03:05 PM - Re:Anybody out there (Bob n' Lu Olds) > 6. 03:27 PM - RV4 Builder (Bruce Bell) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:51:16 AM PST US > From: Ron Patterson > Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there?? > > --> RV4-List message posted by: Ron Patterson > > Hey Tim, Chuck, Bob, Rob and Hal... > Great to hear from you guys. Nobody sounds disappointed in their choice of the > -4, as I expected. > > I've got the Whirlwind 151 on order and a lycoming O-320-D1A out in the shop with > Lycon cylinders that puts out 178HP.... that clean design doesn't need so much > raw HP in my opinion. > > Planning on a mostly glass panel including the Dynon and the VM-1000 > > Have digitrak and altrak ready to go too. > > I've had a lot of ideas about how to reintroduce this kit with variations, but > no knowhow on how to get the engineering done: > > I'd like to see it offered the way Mark Friedrick does with the F-1... > > Slider Canopy....like Greg Klema's > > Prepunched and Quickbuild kit (the layout and drilling is half of the time it takes > to build) > > Slight stretch in the fuse, so the backseat is more comfortable (3-6"). > > How about the -4 with the new tapered wing from Mark F.??? I think that could be > way cool. > > > Ron > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:33:47 AM PST US > From: "Pat Perry" > > Subject: RE: RV4-List: Anybody out there? > > --> RV4-List message posted by: "Pat Perry" > > > There are still RV-4 builders and fliers watching the list! Congrats on > getting your hands on a great little airplane, you won't be disappointed. > > It would be a good idea to watch the RV-list also. Most of the info crosses > to all RV models. The guys who built -3's -4's and early 6's had to build > the same way you do so they have good info to help you out of problems. > > I agree the -4 is the best looking of the RV's, I have only flown the -6 and > the -4 so I can't judge if it fly's better than the others but it would be > tough to beat! > > Pat Perry > Dallas, PA > RV-4 N154PK Flies great! > > > >From: Ron Patterson > >Reply-To: rv4-list@matronics.com > >To: rv4-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there? > >Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:06:32 -0800 (PST) > > > >--> RV4-List message posted by: Ron Patterson > > > >Hello, > > > >I've been doing alot of reading, but not much posting on these lists. > >Thought I'd try getting involved a bit with fellow builders. > > > >I'm writing to see if there are still guys building the RV-4? I just > >purchased a new kit and started on it about January 1st, 04. Luckily I have > >a friend (Mark Koenig) who is an experienced builder and is helping me > >(actually I'm helping him). We're about to finish the empennage and I'm > >picking up the rest of the kit next week if all goes well. > > > >No doubt about it, this is the hard way to build an airplane. I now have > >alot of respect for the guys that went before me who didn't have the > >benefit of the refinements of the later kits (prepunch and quickbuilds). > >Getting these -3's and 4's to fly safe and straight is a real effort. Semms > >to me It needs to be a labor of love or it won't likely come out right. > > > >Recently I was in Missoula MT and had the opportunity of meeting Art Chard > >at his shop in Stevensville. I learned alot about the evolution of the RV > >series and his part in the design and building of them. Nice man. Built 47 > >airplanes so far! Was in the midle of an F-1 when I was there in December. > > > >Seems to me it's too bad Van wouldn't put this kit out in a prepunched > >version. I still feel it's his best design. I've spoken to a couple of > >folks at the factory and it seems the cost of reverse engineering the kit > >would be large and the market for the -3 and -4 pretty small. Wouldn't make > >a good business decision. > > > >If you have built, or you are currently building a -3 or a -4, drop a note > >about your experience. Would be good to hear about 'how they used to do it' > >and how some of us are still at it. > > > >Ron Patterson > >N8ZD reserved > >Northern California > > > > > > Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:38:49 AM PST US > From: "Moore, Warren" > Subject: RE: RV4-List: Anybody out there? > > --> RV4-List message posted by: "Moore, Warren" > > I am just finishing my -4 in southern California. Have moved it a hanger in > Upland, Ca. (Cable Airport). Hope to get it flying in the next few months. > Took me about 5 years, but then again I work full time and have kids. I > agree the -4 is stone age compared to the new pre-punched -7 &-8's. By > mistake Van's sent me some replacement parts for a -7 rudder, the skin, > trailing edge, and all the stiffners were pre cut and pre > drilled.....amazing! I'm sure you are tired of making stiffners about now. > You are indeed lucky to have a experienced builder as a friend...it will > make a big difference in build time and confidence. All in all the -4 kit > is pretty good, off hand the only real problem I can remember now is that > the plans for the flaps are off. When you build your Flaps...don't drill or > rivet the inboard rib or the support brackets for the actuator rods. you > can easily do this when your wings are attached to the fuselage and get a > perfect fit. If you build them to plans they will be 1/2 to 1 in. too long. > Check the archives. Van's will tell you to get a hammer and pound on the > fuselage until the flap clears!!!! Also, I don't know if Vans still has the > Polyester cowl as standard or not, in any event it was a piece of crap...by > all means pay up for the new expoy one, fits better, lighter, and will save > you a lot of time and aggravation. If I can think of anything else I'll > drop you a note....good luck. > Regards, Warren Moore > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Patterson [mailto:scc_ron@yahoo.com] > Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there? > > > --> RV4-List message posted by: Ron Patterson > > Hello, > > I've been doing alot of reading, but not much posting on these lists. > Thought I'd try getting involved a bit with fellow builders. > > I'm writing to see if there are still guys building the RV-4? I just > purchased a new kit and started on it about January 1st, 04. Luckily I have > a friend (Mark Koenig) who is an experienced builder and is helping me > (actually I'm helping him). We're about to finish the empennage and I'm > picking up the rest of the kit next week if all goes well. > > No doubt about it, this is the hard way to build an airplane. I now have > alot of respect for the guys that went before me who didn't have the benefit > of the refinements of the later kits (prepunch and quickbuilds). Getting > these -3's and 4's to fly safe and straight is a real effort. Semms to me It > needs to be a labor of love or it won't likely come out right. > > Recently I was in Missoula MT and had the opportunity of meeting Art Chard > at his shop in Stevensville. I learned alot about the evolution of the RV > series and his part in the design and building of them. Nice man. Built 47 > airplanes so far! Was in the midle of an F-1 when I was there in December. > > Seems to me it's too bad Van wouldn't put this kit out in a prepunched > version. I still feel it's his best design. I've spoken to a couple of folks > at the factory and it seems the cost of reverse engineering the kit would be > large and the market for the -3 and -4 pretty small. Wouldn't make a good > business decision. > > If you have built, or you are currently building a -3 or a -4, drop a note > about your experience. Would be good to hear about 'how they used to do it' > and how some of us are still at it. > > Ron Patterson > N8ZD reserved > Northern California > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:02:01 PM PST US > From: RV4WGH@aol.com > Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/17/04 > > --> RV4-List message posted by: RV4WGH@aol.com > > Hi RV-4 Builders, > > I am in the finishing stage on my RV-4. Currently working on installing the > cowling. Driving me nuts! Have the canopy cut out and clamped to the frame. > > Ready for drilling and forming of the side skins. Engine hung but no system > hookups yet. Project is in my heated shop in my hangar at Cottonwood Airport. > > Wally Hunt > 1658 Plaza Drive > Rockford, IL 61108 > > 815-332-4708 > cell 262-3153 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:05:21 PM PST US > From: "Bob n' Lu Olds" > Subject: RV4-List: Re:Anybody out there > > --> RV4-List message posted by: "Bob n' Lu Olds" > > Warren mentions that the polyesester cowling is a piece of crap! Funny, I sent > Van's an email telling them the same thing about the new pre-preg cowl !! I > sanded and sanded until my air sanders were about worn out , and my fingers were > raw , but the @$% > & thing wouldn't smooth out. I finally just painted it ! I later found out about > "Smooth Prime" from Poly Fibre , on one of these lists. Boy !! What a difference. > It goes on with a roller and fills those pinholes in the #$ > & fibreglas like magic. Maybe the pre-preg wouldn't have been so disgusting if > I had known about the Smooth Prime before. > This list and the Van's Air Force yahoo groups are really great !! > Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X > Charleston,Arkansas > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:27:12 PM PST US > From: "Bruce Bell" > Subject: RV4-List: RV4 Builder > > --> RV4-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" > > Hi RV4 Folks, > I bought plans for the RV4 ( #2888) in 90 or 91. So long ago I forgot in my > old age! Bought the tail kit in June 95. RV8 came out that July! This > afternoon I wheeled the fuselage out in the driveway and sprayed on the > primer coat, also the canopy. It is all done but paint. Wired per Electric > Bob's book. Passed the smoke test. No leaks! Bob was very helpful. Starter > and alternator B&C. RMI monitor and encoder. AOA by Proprietary Software > systems, Inc. Duckworks landing lights. Ignition by Jeff Rose. Fuel > injection by Airflow Performance. Val Comm. Radio. Narco transponder. Anyway > there are a few RV4's around. I prefer the RV-List for info but do monitor > the RV4-List. Can't wait to fly! > Best regards, > Bruce Bell > Lubbock, Texas > RV4 # 2888 > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:20 PM PST US From: rob ray Subject: Re: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 02/18/04 --> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray No Rumour, he quoted it to ME (with a grin) at Sun N Fun last year!!! Rob Ray Tom Gummo wrote: --> RV4-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" One rumor going around is that Van once said "I can't stop making RV-4 kits as where would the Harmon Rocket guys get their parts!" Tom Gummo Apple Valley, CA Harmon Rocket-II do not archive http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob ray" Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 02/18/04 > --> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray > > RV4 faithful, don't hold your breath on RV4 upgrades as long as Van makes more money selling RV8's and side by side trainers (6-7-9A's), I don't even consider them RV's. I do think he will continue making the kits for the 50 or so 4's he sells every year. After 1100 hours on my RV4 and operating out of 1000' cub strips and a few field roads, climbing to 20K one time with just a wood prop and 150HP, it is the definition of total performance on a budget.I haven't found an airplane I like better except the F16, and that is saying alot. One of my military buds is scratch building a set of P-51 type laminar flow wings for his RV4, but owns a stock RV4 for daily flying.We will see how it performs when it's done... I don't think you could improve the design without becoming a Harmon Rocket and keep the cost low. Keep banging thoses rivets!!! > > Rob Ray > > > RV4-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete RV4-List Digest can be also be found in either > of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked > Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII > version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic > text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > Text Version: > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > RV4-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Wed 02/18/04: 6 > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 04:51 AM - Anybody out there?? (Ron Patterson) > 2. 06:33 AM - Re: Anybody out there? (Pat Perry) > 3. 09:38 AM - Re: Anybody out there? (Moore, Warren) > 4. 12:02 PM - Re: RV4-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/17/04 (RV4WGH@aol.com) > 5. 03:05 PM - Re:Anybody out there (Bob n' Lu Olds) > 6. 03:27 PM - RV4 Builder (Bruce Bell) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:51:16 AM PST US > From: Ron Patterson > Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there?? > > --> RV4-List message posted by: Ron Patterson > > Hey Tim, Chuck, Bob, Rob and Hal... > Great to hear from you guys. Nobody sounds disappointed in their choice of the > -4, as I expected. > > I've got the Whirlwind 151 on order and a lycoming O-320-D1A out in the shop with > Lycon cylinders that puts out 178HP.... that clean design doesn't need so much > raw HP in my opinion. > > Planning on a mostly glass panel including the Dynon and the VM-1000 > > Have digitrak and altrak ready to go too. > > I've had a lot of ideas about how to reintroduce this kit with variations, but > no knowhow on how to get the engineering done: > > I'd like to see it offered the way Mark Friedrick does with the F-1... > > Slider Canopy....like Greg Klema's > > Prepunched and Quickbuild kit (the layout and drilling is half of the time it takes > to build) > > Slight stretch in the fuse, so the backseat is more comfortable (3-6"). > > How about the -4 with the new tapered wing from Mark F.??? I think that could be > way cool. > > > Ron > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:33:47 AM PST US > From: "Pat Perry" > > Subject: RE: RV4-List: Anybody out there? > > --> RV4-List message posted by: "Pat Perry" > > > There are still RV-4 builders and fliers watching the list! Congrats on > getting your hands on a great little airplane, you won't be disappointed. > > It would be a good idea to watch the RV-list also. Most of the info crosses > to all RV models. The guys who built -3's -4's and early 6's had to build > the same way you do so they have good info to help you out of problems. > > I agree the -4 is the best looking of the RV's, I have only flown the -6 and > the -4 so I can't judge if it fly's better than the others but it would be > tough to beat! > > Pat Perry > Dallas, PA > RV-4 N154PK Flies great! > > > >From: Ron Patterson > >Reply-To: rv4-list@matronics.com > >To: rv4-list@matronics.com > >Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there? > >Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:06:32 -0800 (PST) > > > >--> RV4-List message posted by: Ron Patterson > > > >Hello, > > > >I've been doing alot of reading, but not much posting on these lists. > >Thought I'd try getting involved a bit with fellow builders. > > > >I'm writing to see if there are still guys building the RV-4? I just > >purchased a new kit and started on it about January 1st, 04. Luckily I have > >a friend (Mark Koenig) who is an experienced builder and is helping me > >(actually I'm helping him). We're about to finish the empennage and I'm > >picking up the rest of the kit next week if all goes well. > > > >No doubt about it, this is the hard way to build an airplane. I now have > >alot of respect for the guys that went before me who didn't have the > >benefit of the refinements of the later kits (prepunch and quickbuilds). > >Getting these -3's and 4's to fly safe and straight is a real effort. Semms > >to me It needs to be a labor of love or it won't likely come out right. > > > >Recently I was in Missoula MT and had the opportunity of meeting Art Chard > >at his shop in Stevensville. I learned alot about the evolution of the RV > >series and his part in the design and building of them. Nice man. Built 47 > >airplanes so far! Was in the midle of an F-1 when I was there in December. > > > >Seems to me it's too bad Van wouldn't put this kit out in a prepunched > >version. I still feel it's his best design. I've spoken to a couple of > >folks at the factory and it seems the cost of reverse engineering the kit > >would be large and the market for the -3 and -4 pretty small. Wouldn't make > >a good business decision. > > > >If you have built, or you are currently building a -3 or a -4, drop a note > >about your experience. Would be good to hear about 'how they used to do it' > >and how some of us are still at it. > > > >Ron Patterson > >N8ZD reserved > >Northern California > > > > > > Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:38:49 AM PST US > From: "Moore, Warren" > Subject: RE: RV4-List: Anybody out there? > > --> RV4-List message posted by: "Moore, Warren" > > I am just finishing my -4 in southern California. Have moved it a hanger in > Upland, Ca. (Cable Airport). Hope to get it flying in the next few months. > Took me about 5 years, but then again I work full time and have kids. I > agree the -4 is stone age compared to the new pre-punched -7 &-8's. By > mistake Van's sent me some replacement parts for a -7 rudder, the skin, > trailing edge, and all the stiffners were pre cut and pre > drilled.....amazing! I'm sure you are tired of making stiffners about now. > You are indeed lucky to have a experienced builder as a friend...it will > make a big difference in build time and confidence. All in all the -4 kit > is pretty good, off hand the only real problem I can remember now is that > the plans for the flaps are off. When you build your Flaps...don't drill or > rivet the inboard rib or the support brackets for the actuator rods. you > can easily do this when your wings are attached to the fuselage and get a > perfect fit. If you build them to plans they will be 1/2 to 1 in. too long. > Check the archives. Van's will tell you to get a hammer and pound on the > fuselage until the flap clears!!!! Also, I don't know if Vans still has the > Polyester cowl as standard or not, in any event it was a piece of crap...by > all means pay up for the new expoy one, fits better, lighter, and will save > you a lot of time and aggravation. If I can think of anything else I'll > drop you a note....good luck. > Regards, Warren Moore > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Patterson [mailto:scc_ron@yahoo.com] > Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there? > > > --> RV4-List message posted by: Ron Patterson > > Hello, > > I've been doing alot of reading, but not much posting on these lists. > Thought I'd try getting involved a bit with fellow builders. > > I'm writing to see if there are still guys building the RV-4? I just > purchased a new kit and started on it about January 1st, 04. Luckily I have > a friend (Mark Koenig) who is an experienced builder and is helping me > (actually I'm helping him). We're about to finish the empennage and I'm > picking up the rest of the kit next week if all goes well. > > No doubt about it, this is the hard way to build an airplane. I now have > alot of respect for the guys that went before me who didn't have the benefit > of the refinements of the later kits (prepunch and quickbuilds). Getting > these -3's and 4's to fly safe and straight is a real effort. Semms to me It > needs to be a labor of love or it won't likely come out right. > > Recently I was in Missoula MT and had the opportunity of meeting Art Chard > at his shop in Stevensville. I learned alot about the evolution of the RV > series and his part in the design and building of them. Nice man. Built 47 > airplanes so far! Was in the midle of an F-1 when I was there in December. > > Seems to me it's too bad Van wouldn't put this kit out in a prepunched > version. I still feel it's his best design. I've spoken to a couple of folks > at the factory and it seems the cost of reverse engineering the kit would be > large and the market for the -3 and -4 pretty small. Wouldn't make a good > business decision. > > If you have built, or you are currently building a -3 or a -4, drop a note > about your experience. Would be good to hear about 'how they used to do it' > and how some of us are still at it. > > Ron Patterson > N8ZD reserved > Northern California > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:02:01 PM PST US > From: RV4WGH@aol.com > Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/17/04 > > --> RV4-List message posted by: RV4WGH@aol.com > > Hi RV-4 Builders, > > I am in the finishing stage on my RV-4. Currently working on installing the > cowling. Driving me nuts! Have the canopy cut out and clamped to the frame. > > Ready for drilling and forming of the side skins. Engine hung but no system > hookups yet. Project is in my heated shop in my hangar at Cottonwood Airport. > > Wally Hunt > 1658 Plaza Drive > Rockford, IL 61108 > > 815-332-4708 > cell 262-3153 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:05:21 PM PST US > From: "Bob n' Lu Olds" > Subject: RV4-List: Re:Anybody out there > > --> RV4-List message posted by: "Bob n' Lu Olds" > > Warren mentions that the polyesester cowling is a piece of crap! Funny, I sent > Van's an email telling them the same thing about the new pre-preg cowl !! I > sanded and sanded until my air sanders were about worn out , and my fingers were > raw , but the @$% > & thing wouldn't smooth out. I finally just painted it ! I later found out about > "Smooth Prime" from Poly Fibre , on one of these lists. Boy !! What a difference. > It goes on with a roller and fills those pinholes in the #$ > & fibreglas like magic. Maybe the pre-preg wouldn't have been so disgusting if > I had known about the Smooth Prime before. > This list and the Van's Air Force yahoo groups are really great !! > Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X > Charleston,Arkansas > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:27:12 PM PST US > From: "Bruce Bell" > Subject: RV4-List: RV4 Builder > > --> RV4-List message posted by: "Bruce Bell" > > Hi RV4 Folks, > I bought plans for the RV4 ( #2888) in 90 or 91. So long ago I forgot in my > old age! Bought the tail kit in June 95. RV8 came out that July! This > afternoon I wheeled the fuselage out in the driveway and sprayed on the > primer coat, also the canopy. It is all done but paint. Wired per Electric > Bob's book. Passed the smoke test. No leaks! Bob was very helpful. Starter > and alternator B&C. RMI monitor and encoder. AOA by Proprietary Software > systems, Inc. Duckworks landing lights. Ignition by Jeff Rose. Fuel > injection by Airflow Performance. Val Comm. Radio. Narco transponder. Anyway > there are a few RV4's around. I prefer the RV-List for info but do monitor > the RV4-List. Can't wait to fly! > Best regards, > Bruce Bell > Lubbock, Texas > RV4 # 2888 > > > --------------------------------- > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:50 PM PST US From: rob ray Subject: RE: RV4-List: Anybody out there? --> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray Dude, not alot of posts? Try the Yahoo groups RV4 group...lots of stuff! Also, there is alot of RV4 activity, most of it "flying activity" since more are flying now than being built. I finished mine in 97' and it now has 1100+ hours on it...I challenge any of you RV4 guys to top me on that...keep banging rivets! RR Pat Perry wrote: --> RV4-List message posted by: "Pat Perry" There are still RV-4 builders and fliers watching the list! Congrats on getting your hands on a great little airplane, you won't be disappointed. It would be a good idea to watch the RV-list also. Most of the info crosses to all RV models. The guys who built -3's -4's and early 6's had to build the same way you do so they have good info to help you out of problems. I agree the -4 is the best looking of the RV's, I have only flown the -6 and the -4 so I can't judge if it fly's better than the others but it would be tough to beat! Pat Perry Dallas, PA RV-4 N154PK Flies great! >From: Ron Patterson >Reply-To: rv4-list@matronics.com >To: rv4-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there? >Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:06:32 -0800 (PST) > >--> RV4-List message posted by: Ron Patterson > >Hello, > >I've been doing alot of reading, but not much posting on these lists. >Thought I'd try getting involved a bit with fellow builders. > >I'm writing to see if there are still guys building the RV-4? I just >purchased a new kit and started on it about January 1st, 04. Luckily I have >a friend (Mark Koenig) who is an experienced builder and is helping me >(actually I'm helping him). We're about to finish the empennage and I'm >picking up the rest of the kit next week if all goes well. > >No doubt about it, this is the hard way to build an airplane. I now have >alot of respect for the guys that went before me who didn't have the >benefit of the refinements of the later kits (prepunch and quickbuilds). >Getting these -3's and 4's to fly safe and straight is a real effort. Semms >to me It needs to be a labor of love or it won't likely come out right. > >Recently I was in Missoula MT and had the opportunity of meeting Art Chard >at his shop in Stevensville. I learned alot about the evolution of the RV >series and his part in the design and building of them. Nice man. Built 47 >airplanes so far! Was in the midle of an F-1 when I was there in December. > >Seems to me it's too bad Van wouldn't put this kit out in a prepunched >version. I still feel it's his best design. I've spoken to a couple of >folks at the factory and it seems the cost of reverse engineering the kit >would be large and the market for the -3 and -4 pretty small. Wouldn't make >a good business decision. > >If you have built, or you are currently building a -3 or a -4, drop a note >about your experience. Would be good to hear about 'how they used to do it' >and how some of us are still at it. > >Ron Patterson >N8ZD reserved >Northern California > > Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. ---------------------------------