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1. 12:17 PM - Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/30/04 (rob ray)
2. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/30/04 (Arvil)
3. 08:31 PM - Re: Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/30/04 (Scott Vanartsdalen)
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| Subject: | Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/30/04 |
--> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
Take it from me, I would leave the manual trim setup with a lever in the RV4. This
coming from someone spoiled by electric trim all his life in the F16 and 737.
The RV's just don't need electric trim and the manual trim is trouble free....the
same goes for the manual flaps...just my humble opinion.
Rob Ray
1400 hours RV4
"manual pilot"
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1. 04:52 PM - Electric Manual Trim? (Dave Durakovich)
2. 05:33 PM - Re: Electric Manual Trim? (CBRxxDRV@aol.com)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 04:52:51 PM PST US
From: Dave Durakovich
Subject: RV4-List: Electric Manual Trim?
--> RV4-List message posted by: Dave Durakovich
Been lurking for awhile, and decided it's time to come out of the closet!
As a new builder of a -4:
Old airplane, started in 1989,
I'm the 5th owner, and probably only the 2nd owner to actually do anything,
This bird probably has more miles on it than my Cherokee,
Nearly done and I still have more pieces than I know what to do with!
I'm at the stage of installing cockpit controls. As acquired this bird was set
up with the manual elevator trim. And while I have nothing against the manual
trim, I'm not thrilled about the location of the control. Hence, my question.
I realize I can pull the existing manual push/pull cable out and go with a servo.
However, since it's already there, what about just mounting a servo in place
of the manual lever? There seems to be minimal drag on the cable alone, and
I may need to fab a bracket to get the correct travel. I suspect there will be
little weight penalty, if any, but I'm just not sure of the additional force
required.
Has anyone tried this? Any of you guys out there want to venture a guess?
Thanks,
Dave Durakovich
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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 05:33:16 PM PST US
From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV4-List: Electric Manual Trim?
--> RV4-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
In a message dated 5/30/04 7:53:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ddurakovich@yahoo.com writes:
> I realize I can pull the existing manual push/pull cable out and go with a
> servo. However, since it's already there, what about just mounting a servo in
> place of the manual lever? There seems to be minimal drag on the cable
> alone, and I may need to fab a bracket to get the correct travel. I suspect there
> will be little weight penalty, if any, but I'm just not sure of the
> additional force required.
>
My -4 has the trim servo mounted at the end of the trim cable.
I figure it was done the same time the owner added electric flaps.
There is no trim handle, makes service easy I would guess. It seems to
work just fine. (mounted below throttle on left side of cockpit)
Sal Capra
Lakeland, FL
My Home Page
http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/30/04 |
--> RV4-List message posted by: Arvil <arvil@bellsouth.net>
Rob,
Ill' second that If the RV-4 is set up with the throttle quadrant and
trim lever as per Van's drawings
it will work just fine the elec. trim and flaps are just somthing else
to worry about not working when you need them too ! Also if you make
very short filed landings it nice to be able to dump the flaps at tuch
down if you need too !
Arvil
rob ray wrote:
> --> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
>
> Take it from me, I would leave the manual trim setup with a lever in the RV4.
This coming from someone spoiled by electric trim all his life in the F16 and
737. The RV's just don't need electric trim and the manual trim is trouble free....the
same goes for the manual flaps...just my humble opinion.
>
> Rob Ray
>
> 1400 hours RV4
> "manual pilot"
>
> RV4-List Digest Server <rv4-list-digest@matronics.com> wrote:
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>
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> of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
> formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
> Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
> version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic
> text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser.
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>
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> Total Messages Posted Sun 05/30/04: 2
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> Today's Message Index:
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> 1. 04:52 PM - Electric Manual Trim? (Dave Durakovich)
> 2. 05:33 PM - Re: Electric Manual Trim? (CBRxxDRV@aol.com)
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
> Time: 04:52:51 PM PST US
> From: Dave Durakovich
>
> Subject: RV4-List: Electric Manual Trim?
>
> --> RV4-List message posted by: Dave Durakovich
>
>
> Been lurking for awhile, and decided it's time to come out of the closet!
>
> As a new builder of a -4:
>
> Old airplane, started in 1989,
> I'm the 5th owner, and probably only the 2nd owner to actually do anything,
> This bird probably has more miles on it than my Cherokee,
> Nearly done and I still have more pieces than I know what to do with!
>
> I'm at the stage of installing cockpit controls. As acquired this bird was set
> up with the manual elevator trim. And while I have nothing against the manual
> trim, I'm not thrilled about the location of the control. Hence, my question.
>
> I realize I can pull the existing manual push/pull cable out and go with a servo.
> However, since it's already there, what about just mounting a servo in place
> of the manual lever? There seems to be minimal drag on the cable alone, and
> I may need to fab a bracket to get the correct travel. I suspect there will be
> little weight penalty, if any, but I'm just not sure of the additional force
> required.
>
> Has anyone tried this? Any of you guys out there want to venture a guess?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave Durakovich
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
> Time: 05:33:16 PM PST US
> From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Electric Manual Trim?
>
> --> RV4-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 5/30/04 7:53:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> ddurakovich@yahoo.com writes:
>
> > I realize I can pull the existing manual push/pull cable out and go with a
> > servo. However, since it's already there, what about just mounting a servo
in
>
> > place of the manual lever? There seems to be minimal drag on the cable
> > alone, and I may need to fab a bracket to get the correct travel. I suspect
there
>
> > will be little weight penalty, if any, but I'm just not sure of the
> > additional force required.
> >
>
> My -4 has the trim servo mounted at the end of the trim cable.
> I figure it was done the same time the owner added electric flaps.
> There is no trim handle, makes service easy I would guess. It seems to
> work just fine. (mounted below throttle on left side of cockpit)
>
> Sal Capra
> Lakeland, FL
> My Home Page
> http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/30/04 |
--> RV4-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Don't know about the trim but electric flaps was the biggest mistake I made on
my RV-4. It took two flap motor failures, one of which included smoke to make
me rip that monstrocity out and replace all that monkey motion with a simple
lever. Should have done that in the first place.
Arvil <arvil@bellsouth.net> wrote:--> RV4-List message posted by: Arvil
Rob,
Ill' second that If the RV-4 is set up with the throttle quadrant and
trim lever as per Van's drawings
it will work just fine the elec. trim and flaps are just somthing else
to worry about not working when you need them too ! Also if you make
very short filed landings it nice to be able to dump the flaps at tuch
down if you need too !
Arvil
rob ray wrote:
> --> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray
>
> Take it from me, I would leave the manual trim setup with a lever in the RV4.
This coming from someone spoiled by electric trim all his life in the F16 and
737. The RV's just don't need electric trim and the manual trim is trouble free....the
same goes for the manual flaps...just my humble opinion.
>
> Rob Ray
>
> 1400 hours RV4
> "manual pilot"
>
> RV4-List Digest Server wrote:
> *
>
> ==================================================
> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> ==================================================
>
> Today's complete RV4-List Digest can be also be found in either
> of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
> formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
> Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
> version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic
> text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
>
> Text Version:
>
>
> ================================================
> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
> ================================================
>
> RV4-List Digest Archive
> ---
> Total Messages Posted Sun 05/30/04: 2
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 04:52 PM - Electric Manual Trim? (Dave Durakovich)
> 2. 05:33 PM - Re: Electric Manual Trim? (CBRxxDRV@aol.com)
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
> Time: 04:52:51 PM PST US
> From: Dave Durakovich
>
> Subject: RV4-List: Electric Manual Trim?
>
> --> RV4-List message posted by: Dave Durakovich
>
>
> Been lurking for awhile, and decided it's time to come out of the closet!
>
> As a new builder of a -4:
>
> Old airplane, started in 1989,
> I'm the 5th owner, and probably only the 2nd owner to actually do anything,
> This bird probably has more miles on it than my Cherokee,
> Nearly done and I still have more pieces than I know what to do with!
>
> I'm at the stage of installing cockpit controls. As acquired this bird was set
> up with the manual elevator trim. And while I have nothing against the manual
> trim, I'm not thrilled about the location of the control. Hence, my question.
>
> I realize I can pull the existing manual push/pull cable out and go with a servo.
> However, since it's already there, what about just mounting a servo in place
> of the manual lever? There seems to be minimal drag on the cable alone, and
> I may need to fab a bracket to get the correct travel. I suspect there will be
> little weight penalty, if any, but I'm just not sure of the additional force
> required.
>
> Has anyone tried this? Any of you guys out there want to venture a guess?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave Durakovich
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
> Time: 05:33:16 PM PST US
> From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Electric Manual Trim?
>
> --> RV4-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 5/30/04 7:53:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> ddurakovich@yahoo.com writes:
>
> > I realize I can pull the existing manual push/pull cable out and go with a
> > servo. However, since it's already there, what about just mounting a servo
in
>
> > place of the manual lever? There seems to be minimal drag on the cable
> > alone, and I may need to fab a bracket to get the correct travel. I suspect
there
>
> > will be little weight penalty, if any, but I'm just not sure of the
> > additional force required.
> >
>
> My -4 has the trim servo mounted at the end of the trim cable.
> I figure it was done the same time the owner added electric flaps.
> There is no trim handle, makes service easy I would guess. It seems to
> work just fine. (mounted below throttle on left side of cockpit)
>
> Sal Capra
> Lakeland, FL
> My Home Page
> http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!!
When a man does all he can
though it succeeds not well,
blame not him that did it."
-- George Washington
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