---------------------------------------------------------- RV4-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/04/04: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/30/04 (Greg Hunsicker) 2. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/30/04 (tomrv8@gvtc.com) 3. 10:28 AM - Re: Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/30/04 (Greg Hunsicker) 4. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/30/04 (rob ray) 5. 10:59 PM - Re: Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/30/04 (Arvil) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:54 AM PST US From: Greg Hunsicker Subject: Re: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/30/04 --> RV4-List message posted by: Greg Hunsicker My 4 has 950 trouble free hours with electric flaps and I would not trade that for a manual lever. I do have manual trim and agree that electric trim on a 4 would not be a as good due to the response time. Greg Hunsicker Scott Vanartsdalen wrote: >--> RV4-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen > >Don't know about the trim but electric flaps was the biggest mistake I made on my RV-4. It took two flap motor failures, one of which included smoke to make me rip that monstrocity out and replace all that monkey motion with a simple lever. Should have done that in the first place. > >Arvil wrote:--> RV4-List message posted by: Arvil > >Rob, >Ill' second that If the RV-4 is set up with the throttle quadrant and >trim lever as per Van's drawings >it will work just fine the elec. trim and flaps are just somthing else >to worry about not working when you need them too ! Also if you make >very short filed landings it nice to be able to dump the flaps at tuch >down if you need too ! > >Arvil > >rob ray wrote: > > > >>--> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray >> >>Take it from me, I would leave the manual trim setup with a lever in the RV4. This coming from someone spoiled by electric trim all his life in the F16 and 737. The RV's just don't need electric trim and the manual trim is trouble free....the same goes for the manual flaps...just my humble opinion. >> >>Rob Ray >> >>1400 hours RV4 >>"manual pilot" >> >>RV4-List Digest Server wrote: >>* >> >>================================================== >>Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive >>================================================== >> >>Today's complete RV4-List Digest can be also be found in either >>of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest >>formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked >>Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII >>version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic >>text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. >> >>HTML Version: >> >> >>Text Version: >> >> >>================================================ >>EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive >>================================================ >> >>RV4-List Digest Archive >>--- >>Total Messages Posted Sun 05/30/04: 2 >> >>Today's Message Index: >>---------------------- >> >>1. 04:52 PM - Electric Manual Trim? (Dave Durakovich) >>2. 05:33 PM - Re: Electric Manual Trim? (CBRxxDRV@aol.com) >> >>________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ >> >>Time: 04:52:51 PM PST US >>From: Dave Durakovich >> >>Subject: RV4-List: Electric Manual Trim? >> >>--> RV4-List message posted by: Dave Durakovich >> >> >>Been lurking for awhile, and decided it's time to come out of the closet! >> >>As a new builder of a -4: >> >>Old airplane, started in 1989, >>I'm the 5th owner, and probably only the 2nd owner to actually do anything, >>This bird probably has more miles on it than my Cherokee, >>Nearly done and I still have more pieces than I know what to do with! >> >>I'm at the stage of installing cockpit controls. As acquired this bird was set >>up with the manual elevator trim. And while I have nothing against the manual >>trim, I'm not thrilled about the location of the control. Hence, my question. >> >>I realize I can pull the existing manual push/pull cable out and go with a servo. >>However, since it's already there, what about just mounting a servo in place >>of the manual lever? There seems to be minimal drag on the cable alone, and >>I may need to fab a bracket to get the correct travel. I suspect there will be >>little weight penalty, if any, but I'm just not sure of the additional force >>required. >> >>Has anyone tried this? Any of you guys out there want to venture a guess? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Dave Durakovich >> >>--------------------------------- >> >>________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ >> >>Time: 05:33:16 PM PST US >>From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com >>Subject: Re: RV4-List: Electric Manual Trim? >> >>--> RV4-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com >> >>In a message dated 5/30/04 7:53:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >>ddurakovich@yahoo.com writes: >> >> >> >>>I realize I can pull the existing manual push/pull cable out and go with a >>>servo. However, since it's already there, what about just mounting a servo in >>> >>> >>>place of the manual lever? There seems to be minimal drag on the cable >>>alone, and I may need to fab a bracket to get the correct travel. I suspect there >>> >>> >>>will be little weight penalty, if any, but I'm just not sure of the >>>additional force required. >>> >>> >>> >>My -4 has the trim servo mounted at the end of the trim cable. >>I figure it was done the same time the owner added electric flaps. >>There is no trim handle, makes service easy I would guess. It seems to >>work just fine. (mounted below throttle on left side of cockpit) >> >>Sal Capra >>Lakeland, FL >>My Home Page >>http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> >> >> > > >-- >Scott VanArtsdalen >RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!! > > When a man does all he can > though it succeeds not well, > blame not him that did it." > -- George Washington > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:25 AM PST US From: tomrv8@gvtc.com Subject: Re: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/30/04 --> RV4-List message posted by: tomrv8@gvtc.com Each to their own... I have manual flaps, and electric trim...1,105 hours later, and no problems with either one. The trim works plenty fast, or slow (with the matronics speed governor) as I need. I also like to be able to quickly dump the flaps with short field or windy conditions to 'plant' the plane on touchdown. Tom RV-4 Quoting Greg Hunsicker : > --> RV4-List message posted by: Greg Hunsicker > > > My 4 has 950 trouble free hours with electric flaps and I would not > trade that for a manual lever. I do have manual trim and agree that > electric trim on a 4 would not be a as good due to the response time. > > Greg Hunsicker > > Scott Vanartsdalen wrote: > > >--> RV4-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen > > > >Don't know about the trim but electric flaps was the biggest mistake I made > on my RV-4. It took two flap motor failures, one of which included smoke to > make me rip that monstrocity out and replace all that monkey motion with a > simple lever. Should have done that in the first place. > > > >Arvil wrote:--> RV4-List message posted by: Arvil > > > >Rob, > >Ill' second that If the RV-4 is set up with the throttle quadrant and > >trim lever as per Van's drawings > >it will work just fine the elec. trim and flaps are just somthing else > >to worry about not working when you need them too ! Also if you make > >very short filed landings it nice to be able to dump the flaps at tuch > >down if you need too ! > > > >Arvil > > > >rob ray wrote: > > > > > > > >>--> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray > >> > >>Take it from me, I would leave the manual trim setup with a lever in the > RV4. This coming from someone spoiled by electric trim all his life in the > F16 and 737. The RV's just don't need electric trim and the manual trim is > trouble free....the same goes for the manual flaps...just my humble opinion. > >> > >>Rob Ray > >> > >>1400 hours RV4 > >>"manual pilot" > >> > >>RV4-List Digest Server wrote: > >>* > >> > >>================================================== > >>Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > >>================================================== > >> > >>Today's complete RV4-List Digest can be also be found in either > >>of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > >>formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked > >>Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII > >>version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic > >>text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. > >> > >>HTML Version: > >> > >> > >>Text Version: > >> > >> > >>================================================ > >>EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > >>================================================ > >> > >>RV4-List Digest Archive > >>--- > >>Total Messages Posted Sun 05/30/04: 2 > >> > >>Today's Message Index: > >>---------------------- > >> > >>1. 04:52 PM - Electric Manual Trim? (Dave Durakovich) > >>2. 05:33 PM - Re: Electric Manual Trim? (CBRxxDRV@aol.com) > >> > >>________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > >> > >>Time: 04:52:51 PM PST US > >>From: Dave Durakovich > >> > >>Subject: RV4-List: Electric Manual Trim? > >> > >>--> RV4-List message posted by: Dave Durakovich > >> > >> > >>Been lurking for awhile, and decided it's time to come out of the closet! > >> > >>As a new builder of a -4: > >> > >>Old airplane, started in 1989, > >>I'm the 5th owner, and probably only the 2nd owner to actually do > anything, > >>This bird probably has more miles on it than my Cherokee, > >>Nearly done and I still have more pieces than I know what to do with! > >> > >>I'm at the stage of installing cockpit controls. As acquired this bird was > set > >>up with the manual elevator trim. And while I have nothing against the > manual > >>trim, I'm not thrilled about the location of the control. Hence, my > question. > >> > >>I realize I can pull the existing manual push/pull cable out and go with a > servo. > >>However, since it's already there, what about just mounting a servo in > place > >>of the manual lever? There seems to be minimal drag on the cable alone, > and > >>I may need to fab a bracket to get the correct travel. I suspect there will > be > >>little weight penalty, if any, but I'm just not sure of the additional > force > >>required. > >> > >>Has anyone tried this? Any of you guys out there want to venture a guess? > >> > >>Thanks, > >> > >>Dave Durakovich > >> > >>--------------------------------- > >> > >>________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > >> > >>Time: 05:33:16 PM PST US > >>From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com > >>Subject: Re: RV4-List: Electric Manual Trim? > >> > >>--> RV4-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com > >> > >>In a message dated 5/30/04 7:53:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >>ddurakovich@yahoo.com writes: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I realize I can pull the existing manual push/pull cable out and go with > a > >>>servo. However, since it's already there, what about just mounting a servo > in > >>> > >>> > >>>place of the manual lever? There seems to be minimal drag on the cable > >>>alone, and I may need to fab a bracket to get the correct travel. I > suspect there > >>> > >>> > >>>will be little weight penalty, if any, but I'm just not sure of the > >>>additional force required. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>My -4 has the trim servo mounted at the end of the trim cable. > >>I figure it was done the same time the owner added electric flaps. > >>There is no trim handle, makes service easy I would guess. It seems to > >>work just fine. (mounted below throttle on left side of cockpit) > >> > >>Sal Capra > >>Lakeland, FL > >>My Home Page > >>http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >Scott VanArtsdalen > >RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!! > > > > When a man does all he can > > though it succeeds not well, > > blame not him that did it." > > -- George Washington > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:02 AM PST US From: Greg Hunsicker Subject: Re: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/30/04 --> RV4-List message posted by: Greg Hunsicker Point here to be considered. These RV's are such a wonderful airplane that no matter how they are configured their pilots adapt and swear by them. No need to discuss this topic further in my opinion. I think it is time to go fly now! Greg tomrv8@gvtc.com wrote: >--> RV4-List message posted by: tomrv8@gvtc.com > >Each to their own... > >I have manual flaps, and electric trim...1,105 hours later, and no problems >with either one. The trim works plenty fast, or slow (with the matronics speed >governor) as I need. I also like to be able to quickly dump the flaps with >short field or windy conditions to 'plant' the plane on touchdown. > >Tom >RV-4 > > >Quoting Greg Hunsicker : > > > >>--> RV4-List message posted by: Greg Hunsicker >> >> >>My 4 has 950 trouble free hours with electric flaps and I would not >>trade that for a manual lever. I do have manual trim and agree that >>electric trim on a 4 would not be a as good due to the response time. >> >>Greg Hunsicker >> >>Scott Vanartsdalen wrote: >> >> >> >>>--> RV4-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen >>> >>>Don't know about the trim but electric flaps was the biggest mistake I made >>> >>> >>on my RV-4. It took two flap motor failures, one of which included smoke to >>make me rip that monstrocity out and replace all that monkey motion with a >>simple lever. Should have done that in the first place. >> >> >>>Arvil wrote:--> RV4-List message posted by: Arvil >>> >>>Rob, >>>Ill' second that If the RV-4 is set up with the throttle quadrant and >>>trim lever as per Van's drawings >>>it will work just fine the elec. trim and flaps are just somthing else >>>to worry about not working when you need them too ! Also if you make >>>very short filed landings it nice to be able to dump the flaps at tuch >>>down if you need too ! >>> >>>Arvil >>> >>>rob ray wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>--> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray >>>> >>>>Take it from me, I would leave the manual trim setup with a lever in the >>>> >>>> >>RV4. This coming from someone spoiled by electric trim all his life in the >>F16 and 737. The RV's just don't need electric trim and the manual trim is >>trouble free....the same goes for the manual flaps...just my humble opinion. >> >> >>>>Rob Ray >>>> >>>>1400 hours RV4 >>>>"manual pilot" >>>> >>>>RV4-List Digest Server wrote: >>>>* >>>> >>>>================================================== >>>>Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive >>>>================================================== >>>> >>>>Today's complete RV4-List Digest can be also be found in either >>>>of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest >>>>formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked >>>>Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII >>>>version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic >>>>text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. >>>> >>>>HTML Version: >>>> >>>> >>>>Text Version: >>>> >>>> >>>>================================================ >>>>EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive >>>>================================================ >>>> >>>>RV4-List Digest Archive >>>>--- >>>>Total Messages Posted Sun 05/30/04: 2 >>>> >>>>Today's Message Index: >>>>---------------------- >>>> >>>>1. 04:52 PM - Electric Manual Trim? (Dave Durakovich) >>>>2. 05:33 PM - Re: Electric Manual Trim? (CBRxxDRV@aol.com) >>>> >>>>________________________________ Message 1 >>>> >>>> >>_____________________________________ >> >> >>>>Time: 04:52:51 PM PST US >>>>From: Dave Durakovich >>>> >>>>Subject: RV4-List: Electric Manual Trim? >>>> >>>>--> RV4-List message posted by: Dave Durakovich >>>> >>>> >>>>Been lurking for awhile, and decided it's time to come out of the closet! >>>> >>>>As a new builder of a -4: >>>> >>>>Old airplane, started in 1989, >>>>I'm the 5th owner, and probably only the 2nd owner to actually do >>>> >>>> >>anything, >> >> >>>>This bird probably has more miles on it than my Cherokee, >>>>Nearly done and I still have more pieces than I know what to do with! >>>> >>>>I'm at the stage of installing cockpit controls. As acquired this bird was >>>> >>>> >>set >> >> >>>>up with the manual elevator trim. And while I have nothing against the >>>> >>>> >>manual >> >> >>>>trim, I'm not thrilled about the location of the control. Hence, my >>>> >>>> >>question. >> >> >>>>I realize I can pull the existing manual push/pull cable out and go with a >>>> >>>> >>servo. >> >> >>>>However, since it's already there, what about just mounting a servo in >>>> >>>> >>place >> >> >>>>of the manual lever? There seems to be minimal drag on the cable alone, >>>> >>>> >>and >> >> >>>>I may need to fab a bracket to get the correct travel. I suspect there will >>>> >>>> >>be >> >> >>>>little weight penalty, if any, but I'm just not sure of the additional >>>> >>>> >>force >> >> >>>>required. >>>> >>>>Has anyone tried this? Any of you guys out there want to venture a guess? >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>> >>>>Dave Durakovich >>>> >>>>--------------------------------- >>>> >>>>________________________________ Message 2 >>>> >>>> >>_____________________________________ >> >> >>>>Time: 05:33:16 PM PST US >>>>From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com >>>>Subject: Re: RV4-List: Electric Manual Trim? >>>> >>>>--> RV4-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com >>>> >>>>In a message dated 5/30/04 7:53:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >>>>ddurakovich@yahoo.com writes: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I realize I can pull the existing manual push/pull cable out and go with >>>>> >>>>> >>a >> >> >>>>>servo. However, since it's already there, what about just mounting a servo >>>>> >>>>> >>in >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>place of the manual lever? There seems to be minimal drag on the cable >>>>>alone, and I may need to fab a bracket to get the correct travel. I >>>>> >>>>> >>suspect there >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>will be little weight penalty, if any, but I'm just not sure of the >>>>>additional force required. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>My -4 has the trim servo mounted at the end of the trim cable. >>>>I figure it was done the same time the owner added electric flaps. >>>>There is no trim handle, makes service easy I would guess. It seems to >>>>work just fine. (mounted below throttle on left side of cockpit) >>>> >>>>Sal Capra >>>>Lakeland, FL >>>>My Home Page >>>>http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>>--------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>Scott VanArtsdalen >>>RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!! >>> >>>When a man does all he can >>> though it succeeds not well, >>> blame not him that did it." >>> -- George Washington >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:16 AM PST US From: rob ray Subject: Re: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/30/04 --> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray Dave; If you are considering electric flaps, I have flown my RV4 without them and really like the flexibility of short field work, dumping the flaps on touchdown and short takeoffs into ground effect ala the Cessna 140 trick. I use it alot when my strip is muddy, I simply pop full flaps at about 40 knots and it lifts the RV4 off into ground effect while I accelerate to climb speed above the mud. I have alot of Cessna 180, Maule and Scout time and really like manual flaps for the same reasons on those airplanes. I have flown RV4's and 8's with electric flaps and frankly didn't like them. Since the RV7 through 10 all are electric, the RV4 is the last bastion of manual flaps...ha! One plus, you don't have foot interference from a back seater to actuate flaps with electric flaps, although I kind of like to grab my backseaters foot, especially when she isn't expecting it! Rob Ray RV4-ever Greg Hunsicker wrote: --> RV4-List message posted by: Greg Hunsicker My 4 has 950 trouble free hours with electric flaps and I would not trade that for a manual lever. I do have manual trim and agree that electric trim on a 4 would not be a as good due to the response time. Greg Hunsicker Scott Vanartsdalen wrote: >--> RV4-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen > >Don't know about the trim but electric flaps was the biggest mistake I made on my RV-4. It took two flap motor failures, one of which included smoke to make me rip that monstrocity out and replace all that monkey motion with a simple lever. Should have done that in the first place. > >Arvil wrote:--> RV4-List message posted by: Arvil > >Rob, >Ill' second that If the RV-4 is set up with the throttle quadrant and >trim lever as per Van's drawings >it will work just fine the elec. trim and flaps are just somthing else >to worry about not working when you need them too ! Also if you make >very short filed landings it nice to be able to dump the flaps at tuch >down if you need too ! > >Arvil > >rob ray wrote: > > > >>--> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray >> >>Take it from me, I would leave the manual trim setup with a lever in the RV4. This coming from someone spoiled by electric trim all his life in the F16 and 737. The RV's just don't need electric trim and the manual trim is trouble free....the same goes for the manual flaps...just my humble opinion. >> >>Rob Ray >> >>1400 hours RV4 >>"manual pilot" >> >>RV4-List Digest Server wrote: >>* >> >>================================================== >>Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive >>================================================== >> >>Today's complete RV4-List Digest can be also be found in either >>of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest >>formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked >>Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII >>version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic >>text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. >> >>HTML Version: >> >> >>Text Version: >> >> >>================================================ >>EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive >>================================================ >> >>RV4-List Digest Archive >>--- >>Total Messages Posted Sun 05/30/04: 2 >> >>Today's Message Index: >>---------------------- >> >>1. 04:52 PM - Electric Manual Trim? (Dave Durakovich) >>2. 05:33 PM - Re: Electric Manual Trim? (CBRxxDRV@aol.com) >> >>________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ >> >>Time: 04:52:51 PM PST US >>From: Dave Durakovich >> >>Subject: RV4-List: Electric Manual Trim? >> >>--> RV4-List message posted by: Dave Durakovich >> >> >>Been lurking for awhile, and decided it's time to come out of the closet! >> >>As a new builder of a -4: >> >>Old airplane, started in 1989, >>I'm the 5th owner, and probably only the 2nd owner to actually do anything, >>This bird probably has more miles on it than my Cherokee, >>Nearly done and I still have more pieces than I know what to do with! >> >>I'm at the stage of installing cockpit controls. As acquired this bird was set >>up with the manual elevator trim. And while I have nothing against the manual >>trim, I'm not thrilled about the location of the control. Hence, my question. >> >>I realize I can pull the existing manual push/pull cable out and go with a servo. >>However, since it's already there, what about just mounting a servo in place >>of the manual lever? There seems to be minimal drag on the cable alone, and >>I may need to fab a bracket to get the correct travel. I suspect there will be >>little weight penalty, if any, but I'm just not sure of the additional force >>required. >> >>Has anyone tried this? Any of you guys out there want to venture a guess? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Dave Durakovich >> >>--------------------------------- >> >>________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ >> >>Time: 05:33:16 PM PST US >>From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com >>Subject: Re: RV4-List: Electric Manual Trim? >> >>--> RV4-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com >> >>In a message dated 5/30/04 7:53:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >>ddurakovich@yahoo.com writes: >> >> >> >>>I realize I can pull the existing manual push/pull cable out and go with a >>>servo. However, since it's already there, what about just mounting a servo in >>> >>> >>>place of the manual lever? There seems to be minimal drag on the cable >>>alone, and I may need to fab a bracket to get the correct travel. I suspect there >>> >>> >>>will be little weight penalty, if any, but I'm just not sure of the >>>additional force required. >>> >>> >>> >>My -4 has the trim servo mounted at the end of the trim cable. >>I figure it was done the same time the owner added electric flaps. >>There is no trim handle, makes service easy I would guess. It seems to >>work just fine. (mounted below throttle on left side of cockpit) >> >>Sal Capra >>Lakeland, FL >>My Home Page >>http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> >> >> > > >-- >Scott VanArtsdalen >RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!! > > When a man does all he can > though it succeeds not well, > blame not him that did it." > -- George Washington > > > > --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:04 PM PST US From: Arvil Subject: Re: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/30/04 --> RV4-List message posted by: Arvil Greg, It is sure hard to disagree' with that ! Arvil Greg Hunsicker wrote: > --> RV4-List message posted by: Greg Hunsicker > > Point here to be considered. These RV's are such a wonderful airplane > that no matter how they are configured their pilots adapt and swear by > them. No need to discuss this topic further in my opinion. I think it > is time to go fly now! > > Greg > > tomrv8@gvtc.com wrote: > > >--> RV4-List message posted by: tomrv8@gvtc.com > > > >Each to their own... > > > >I have manual flaps, and electric trim...1,105 hours later, and no problems > >with either one. The trim works plenty fast, or slow (with the matronics speed > >governor) as I need. I also like to be able to quickly dump the flaps with > >short field or windy conditions to 'plant' the plane on touchdown. > > > >Tom > >RV-4 > > > > > >Quoting Greg Hunsicker : > > > > > > > >>--> RV4-List message posted by: Greg Hunsicker > >> > >> > >>My 4 has 950 trouble free hours with electric flaps and I would not > >>trade that for a manual lever. I do have manual trim and agree that > >>electric trim on a 4 would not be a as good due to the response time. > >> > >>Greg Hunsicker > >> > >>Scott Vanartsdalen wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>--> RV4-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen > >>> > >>>Don't know about the trim but electric flaps was the biggest mistake I made > >>> > >>> > >>on my RV-4. It took two flap motor failures, one of which included smoke to > >>make me rip that monstrocity out and replace all that monkey motion with a > >>simple lever. Should have done that in the first place. > >> > >> > >>>Arvil wrote:--> RV4-List message posted by: Arvil > >>> > >>>Rob, > >>>Ill' second that If the RV-4 is set up with the throttle quadrant and > >>>trim lever as per Van's drawings > >>>it will work just fine the elec. trim and flaps are just somthing else > >>>to worry about not working when you need them too ! Also if you make > >>>very short filed landings it nice to be able to dump the flaps at tuch > >>>down if you need too ! > >>> > >>>Arvil > >>> > >>>rob ray wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>--> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray > >>>> > >>>>Take it from me, I would leave the manual trim setup with a lever in the > >>>> > >>>> > >>RV4. This coming from someone spoiled by electric trim all his life in the > >>F16 and 737. The RV's just don't need electric trim and the manual trim is > >>trouble free....the same goes for the manual flaps...just my humble opinion. > >> > >> > >>>>Rob Ray > >>>> > >>>>1400 hours RV4 > >>>>"manual pilot" > >>>> > >>>>RV4-List Digest Server wrote: > >>>>* > >>>> > >>>>================================================== > >>>>Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > >>>>================================================== > >>>> > >>>>Today's complete RV4-List Digest can be also be found in either > >>>>of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > >>>>formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked > >>>>Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII > >>>>version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic > >>>>text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. > >>>> > >>>>HTML Version: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Text Version: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>================================================ > >>>>EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > >>>>================================================ > >>>> > >>>>RV4-List Digest Archive > >>>>--- > >>>>Total Messages Posted Sun 05/30/04: 2 > >>>> > >>>>Today's Message Index: > >>>>---------------------- > >>>> > >>>>1. 04:52 PM - Electric Manual Trim? (Dave Durakovich) > >>>>2. 05:33 PM - Re: Electric Manual Trim? (CBRxxDRV@aol.com) > >>>> > >>>>________________________________ Message 1 > >>>> > >>>> > >>_____________________________________ > >> > >> > >>>>Time: 04:52:51 PM PST US > >>>>From: Dave Durakovich > >>>> > >>>>Subject: RV4-List: Electric Manual Trim? > >>>> > >>>>--> RV4-List message posted by: Dave Durakovich > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Been lurking for awhile, and decided it's time to come out of the closet! > >>>> > >>>>As a new builder of a -4: > >>>> > >>>>Old airplane, started in 1989, > >>>>I'm the 5th owner, and probably only the 2nd owner to actually do > >>>> > >>>> > >>anything, > >> > >> > >>>>This bird probably has more miles on it than my Cherokee, > >>>>Nearly done and I still have more pieces than I know what to do with! > >>>> > >>>>I'm at the stage of installing cockpit controls. As acquired this bird was > >>>> > >>>> > >>set > >> > >> > >>>>up with the manual elevator trim. And while I have nothing against the > >>>> > >>>> > >>manual > >> > >> > >>>>trim, I'm not thrilled about the location of the control. Hence, my > >>>> > >>>> > >>question. > >> > >> > >>>>I realize I can pull the existing manual push/pull cable out and go with a > >>>> > >>>> > >>servo. > >> > >> > >>>>However, since it's already there, what about just mounting a servo in > >>>> > >>>> > >>place > >> > >> > >>>>of the manual lever? There seems to be minimal drag on the cable alone, > >>>> > >>>> > >>and > >> > >> > >>>>I may need to fab a bracket to get the correct travel. I suspect there will > >>>> > >>>> > >>be > >> > >> > >>>>little weight penalty, if any, but I'm just not sure of the additional > >>>> > >>>> > >>force > >> > >> > >>>>required. > >>>> > >>>>Has anyone tried this? Any of you guys out there want to venture a guess? > >>>> > >>>>Thanks, > >>>> > >>>>Dave Durakovich > >>>> > >>>>--------------------------------- > >>>> > >>>>________________________________ Message 2 > >>>> > >>>> > >>_____________________________________ > >> > >> > >>>>Time: 05:33:16 PM PST US > >>>>From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com > >>>>Subject: Re: RV4-List: Electric Manual Trim? > >>>> > >>>>--> RV4-List message posted by: CBRxxDRV@aol.com > >>>> > >>>>In a message dated 5/30/04 7:53:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >>>>ddurakovich@yahoo.com writes: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I realize I can pull the existing manual push/pull cable out and go with > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>a > >> > >> > >>>>>servo. However, since it's already there, what about just mounting a servo > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>in > >> > >> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>place of the manual lever? There seems to be minimal drag on the cable > >>>>>alone, and I may need to fab a bracket to get the correct travel. I > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>suspect there > >> > >> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>will be little weight penalty, if any, but I'm just not sure of the > >>>>>additional force required. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>My -4 has the trim servo mounted at the end of the trim cable. > >>>>I figure it was done the same time the owner added electric flaps. > >>>>There is no trim handle, makes service easy I would guess. It seems to > >>>>work just fine. (mounted below throttle on left side of cockpit) > >>>> > >>>>Sal Capra > >>>>Lakeland, FL > >>>>My Home Page > >>>>http://hometown.aol.com/cbrxxdrv/index.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>--------------------------------- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>-- > >>>Scott VanArtsdalen > >>>RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!! > >>> > >>>When a man does all he can > >>> though it succeeds not well, > >>> blame not him that did it." > >>> -- George Washington > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >