---------------------------------------------------------- RV4-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/07/04: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:00 PM - Speaking of Beautiful fixed pitched Props... (Rabaut, Chuck) 2. 08:37 PM - Re: Re: RV-4 Electric vs. Manual trim & Flaps (Scott Vanartsdalen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:49 PM PST US Subject: RV4-List: Speaking of Beautiful fixed pitched Props... From: "Rabaut, Chuck" "rv4-list@matronics. com \(E-mail\)" , "rv6-list@matronics. com \(E-mail\)" , "rv7-list@matronics. com \(E-mail\)" , "rv8-list@matronics. com \(E-mail\)" , "rv-list@matronics. com \(E-mail\)" 2.6 SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS Similar addresses in recipient list --> RV4-List message posted by: "Rabaut, Chuck" Hi guys & Gals, I just received my new Prop from "CloudCars". It looks BEAUTIFUL. This prop reminds me of the high quality & low price we use to get from Pacesetter Props. Pacesetter is no longer in business but man did I love my old Pacesetter prop. The guy who made my new prop is Jay Anderson. He is very knowledgeable and willing to work with you to get a custom Prop that you will love. His prices are extremely fair (I got mine for about $500.oo including s your price may vary depending on what you want) and the delivery time was only about 6 weeks. For a custom made, quality Prop you can't beat that price with a stick. You can contact Jay at cloudcars99@yahoo.com or (325) 356-2810. His motto/slogan is "Quality Wood Propellers at Reasonable Prices". I'm a satisfied customer. **note: I get no discount, nor do I have any financial interest in this business.** We experimental builders & flyers should support small businesses that provide quality products & service at reasonable prices. That's why I'm sharing this hot tip with all the RV folks. If you call him, tell 'em Chuck says "Hi". Chuck ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:42 PM PST US From: Scott Vanartsdalen Subject: Re: RV4-List: Re: RV-4 Electric vs. Manual trim & Flaps --> RV4-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen Beautiful! Thanks Arvil. I'm completely with you on the manual flaps and trim. My electric flap motor decided to make smoke one day, luckily I was on the ground watching it rather than smelling it on final! All manual for me from now on. Arvil wrote:--> RV4-List message posted by: Arvil Scott, The RV-4 will fly at 50 miles an hour with full flaps and a little power to matain your decent, this may be a little high or a little low depending on the prop and the weight of the plane and how well it is riged, but it will be perty close , I have a 900 foot strip in north west fla. that is down hill 3 drgees with 60 foot trees at the end of the runnway , using a 50mph. approch speed again with a little power an RV-4 using manual flaps can land in 450 feet with only a little braking and the flaps dumped at tuch down are just after Rob Ray, yes the F-16 hot rod known as < Smokey > flys in my strip on a monthly bases and rarely uses half of it, I flew a 1960 210 in and out of my strip for severl years with no problem , There is no magic to short field landings I learnd to fly in 1964 and have aways practices short field landings , over the years I have had 5 inflight problems that caused me to make a force landing they were uneventful do to plenty of practices ,at slow landings, Rob,s Dad also had a force landing that tour up his plane but do to his slow flight experance he survived the crash ! The main thing Bob, and Rob, were trying to point out is you are 4 times more likly to have problems with Elec/ Mechanical, flaps, and trim, then just Mechanical flaps, and trim , even tho a lot of people havent had eney problems, I prefer to reduce the ods as much as I can, Arvil Porter Scott Vanartsdalen wrote: > --> RV4-List message posted by: Scott Vanartsdalen > > Bob/Ray/others, > What speed do you use for short field approach? I did all kinds of short field work in my Champ and doggone one of these days I'm going to learn to slow my RV-4 down. I'd like a target airspeed to start with (at altitude) and see how it works then adjust it up or down for my plane. > > Thanks! > > Oldsfolks@aol.com wrote: > --> RV4-List message posted by: Oldsfolks@aol.com > > I have to agree with Rob Ray on the Manual flaps and trim. If you are flying > into short and rough strips you need to be able to get positive results, NOW > !! > If all your flying is from long paved runways , then the electric may be > okay,if you like that - I don't. > My grass strip is 1100 feet long ,with approach between trees, and I have to > be pretty precise with touchdown point and flap retract in order to get > braking,if needed. > Van's says 100 MPH for flaps and I find that is quite sastisfactory. Forcing > the flaps at higher speed puts extra stress on structures which don't need > it. If you fly a decent approach you don't need the flaps at higher speeds. > I always use full flaps for landings for the slowest touchdown speed so I'm > not adding unecessary stress and loads on the plane. I can land diagonally > across most runways with less crosswind component,when I am as slow as possible. > This has worked well for me for 8,000 + hours of bush type flying,with 760 > of that in our RV-4's. > My preference for your consideration, > > Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X > A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor > Charleston,Arkansas > Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers > > -- > Scott VanArtsdalen > RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!! > > When a man does all he can > though it succeeds not well, > blame not him that did it." > -- George Washington > -- Scott VanArtsdalen RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!! When a man does all he can though it succeeds not well, blame not him that did it." -- George Washington