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1. 02:41 AM - [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? (Matt Dralle)
2. 03:10 PM - Looking for an RV-4, Boulder, CO (David J. Mittelstadt)
3. 03:47 PM - Re: Looking for an RV-4, Boulder, CO (rob ray)
4. 05:13 PM - Home sweet Home... (rob ray)
5. 05:21 PM - Re: Home sweet Home... (Cory Emberson)
6. 06:50 PM - Re: Home sweet Home... (Scott VanArtsdalen)
7. 10:49 PM - Re: Looking for an RV-4, Boulder, CO (David J. Mittelstadt)
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| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
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| Subject: | Looking for an RV-4, Boulder, CO |
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--> RV4-List message posted by: "David J. Mittelstadt" <djmittelstadt@qwest.net>
I am interested in finding an RV-4 within flying/driving distance of
Boulder, CO (1V5) that I could touch and feel. I would like to take a
close look, and sit in the seats to get a feel for what it is. I'd also
love to take a flight if that would be possible, but that is not a requirement.
I am interested in buying a plane and believe the RV-4 might be the one for me.
I am also interested in building, but suspect I would build one of the
other RVs. With a family of 4, the RV-10 might be a better long-term plane
for the whole gang.
At the moment I have time to fly, not build and fly, so I think buying a
completed RV-4 would be best. I am thinking primarily 180hp RV-4, but am
open to considering the 160hp versions.
Any comments about the RV-4 would also be appreciated.
I am in love with the Citabria. I very much enjoy the tailwheel. I would
like to own something a bit faster, and a bit more aerobatically capable
(especially at this altitude). Aerobatics are not my main focus, but I
expect to spend some time learning and practicing in this way. I will
spend a lot of time drilling holes in the sky, and making $100 hamburger
runs. I will(may) also periodically take cross-country flights from Denver
to Wisconsin, San Diego, CA, Portland, OR, and Salt Lake City, UT. While I
don't expect to fly long IFR flights I think an IFR platform would be nice
to get me out of the first 50nm of bad weather in northern Wisconsin.
If anyone would be willing to show me their RV-4, I'd love to find a time.
Thanks,
David Mittelstadt
David J.
Mittelstadt
email: djmittelstadt@qwest.net
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for an RV-4, Boulder, CO |
--> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
Dave,
Anything else I could get you while I'm up? You don't want much do ya...ha! Seriously, your requests could all probably be handled by a visit to your local EAA chapter or finding the local RV builders group. They can be found on Links in www.vansairforce.net
I saw my first RV in a magazine, bought it piece by piece while living overseas
and like most RVers finished it after many years of sweat equity and help from
friends. Also, my first RV flight was me doing the test flight on my own airplane.
I felt comfortable doing it based on my own experience, would you? Alot
has changed since then in the RV world. so, before you get too far along here
are some things you should know. The RV4 is by far the most incredible compromise
civilian lightplane on the market. Bonanza speed on a Cherokee budget,
Super cub climb, C172 approach speeds Pitts S1C control feel. However, it ain't
for beginners. I just helped recover a wrecked "store-bought" RV4 damaged during
landing buffoonery by an inexperienced pilot. He's lucky to be alive. The
NTSB files are full of similar RV4 stories. What is your flying experience?
Flying/driving distance from Boulder could be Florida in an RV4, I made Pueblo
for lunch from FL last summer. Have you ever built a
nything
before?
Some friendly advice: Seek out the afforementioned RV guys up your way, get a
tour and talk and then maybe go to a fly-in or two and look there, you'll see
a bunch of them. If you still feel the same way, then by all means press ahead.
If nobody up there will take you up, give me a call.
Good Luck!
Rob Ray
"David J. Mittelstadt" <djmittelstadt@qwest.net> wrote:
--> RV4-List message posted by: "David J. Mittelstadt"
I am interested in finding an RV-4 within flying/driving distance of
Boulder, CO (1V5) that I could touch and feel. I would like to take a
close look, and sit in the seats to get a feel for what it is. I'd also
love to take a flight if that would be possible, but that is not a requirement.
I am interested in buying a plane and believe the RV-4 might be the one for me.
I am also interested in building, but suspect I would build one of the
other RVs. With a family of 4, the RV-10 might be a better long-term plane
for the whole gang.
At the moment I have time to fly, not build and fly, so I think buying a
completed RV-4 would be best. I am thinking primarily 180hp RV-4, but am
open to considering the 160hp versions.
Any comments about the RV-4 would also be appreciated.
I am in love with the Citabria. I very much enjoy the tailwheel. I would
like to own something a bit faster, and a bit more aerobatically capable
(especially at this altitude). Aerobatics are not my main focus, but I
expect to spend some time learning and practicing in this way. I will
spend a lot of time drilling holes in the sky, and making $100 hamburger
runs. I will(may) also periodically take cross-country flights from Denver
to Wisconsin, San Diego, CA, Portland, OR, and Salt Lake City, UT. While I
don't expect to fly long IFR flights I think an IFR platform would be nice
to get me out of the first 50nm of bad weather in northern Wisconsin.
If anyone would be willing to show me their RV-4, I'd love to find a time.
Thanks,
David Mittelstadt
David J.
Mittelstadt
email: djmittelstadt@qwest.net
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| Subject: | Home sweet Home... |
--> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
Dear Listers,
This is vaguely RV4 related so I will be as brief . I recently returned from
Iraq where I was flying combat missions in the F16C, Alabama ANG, my second deployment
there in as many years. I had the priviledge to support the brave young
soldiers and Marines in the two "bad neighborhoods" (Fallujah and Baghdad).
24/7 Night and day missions. Our taskings were long, Six hour missions (occasionally
10 hours) with 4 or 5 refuelings. Our missions were mainly patrols over
the entire country of Iraq performing "On-Call Close Air Support" when the kids
on the ground got in a bind. We dropped bombs where needed, with amazing precision,
thanks to modern GPS technology. We carried A-A missilies just in case
they needed us for Air Defense. I was proud of our guys, six of them RV owners
and pilots. My wingman flies B-17's in his other job...Overall, I am still
thankful I get to fly such a wonderful jet fighter at my age..ha!
Mainly I wanted to say thanks to all the listers and RV folks who took time to
write me encouraging emails, posts and thoughts. It is good to be home...and flying
my RV4...
Rob Ray
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| Subject: | Home sweet Home... |
--> RV4-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Dear Rob,
Thank for you posting that, and most of all, THANK YOU for your service.
There are so many Stateside that appreciate what you do for us. Welcome
home!
best, Cory
-----Original Message-----
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Subject: RV4-List: Home sweet Home...
--> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
Dear Listers,
This is vaguely RV4 related so I will be as brief . I recently returned
from Iraq where I was flying combat missions in the F16C, Alabama ANG, my
second deployment there in as many years. I had the priviledge to support
the brave young soldiers and Marines in the two "bad neighborhoods"
(Fallujah and Baghdad). 24/7 Night and day missions. Our taskings were long,
Six hour missions (occasionally 10 hours) with 4 or 5 refuelings. Our
missions were mainly patrols over the entire country of Iraq performing
"On-Call Close Air Support" when the kids on the ground got in a bind. We
dropped bombs where needed, with amazing precision, thanks to modern GPS
technology. We carried A-A missilies just in case they needed us for Air
Defense. I was proud of our guys, six of them RV owners and pilots. My
wingman flies B-17's in his other job...Overall, I am still thankful I get
to fly such a wonderful jet fighter at my age..ha!
Mainly I wanted to say thanks to all the listers and RV folks who took time
to write me encouraging emails, posts and thoughts. It is good to be
home...and flying my RV4...
Rob Ray
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| Subject: | Re: Home sweet Home... |
--> RV4-List message posted by: Scott VanArtsdalen <svanarts@yahoo.com>
Amen Brother Smokey. Glad to have you home safe. Thank you for your
service to our country.
-- From a civilian who's never had to fight because of men like you.
rob ray wrote:
>--> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
>
>Dear Listers,
>
> This is vaguely RV4 related so I will be as brief . I recently returned from
Iraq where I was flying combat missions in the F16C, Alabama ANG, my second deployment
there in as many years. I had the priviledge to support the brave young
soldiers and Marines in the two "bad neighborhoods" (Fallujah and Baghdad).
24/7 Night and day missions. Our taskings were long, Six hour missions (occasionally
10 hours) with 4 or 5 refuelings. Our missions were mainly patrols over
the entire country of Iraq performing "On-Call Close Air Support" when the
kids on the ground got in a bind. We dropped bombs where needed, with amazing
precision, thanks to modern GPS technology. We carried A-A missilies just in case
they needed us for Air Defense. I was proud of our guys, six of them RV owners
and pilots. My wingman flies B-17's in his other job...Overall, I am still
thankful I get to fly such a wonderful jet fighter at my age..ha!
>Mainly I wanted to say thanks to all the listers and RV folks who took time to
write me encouraging emails, posts and thoughts. It is good to be home...and
flying my RV4...
>
>Rob Ray
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
>
>
--
Scott VanArtsdalen
Van Arts Consulting Services
3848 McHenry Ave
Suite #155-184
Modesto, CA 95356
209-986-4647
Ps 34:4,6
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for an RV-4, Boulder, CO |
--> RV4-List message posted by: "David J. Mittelstadt" <djmittelstadt@qwest.net>
Rob,
Thanks for the Van's Airforce pointer. I just found a number of RV-4s in
the general vicinity. Hopefully I can connect with one.
My experience is nothing like yours. Welcome home!!!
I am a pilot with 200 hours (that's very little) going on 50 hours in a
Citabria.
I am still learning to fly, and expect I always will be learning...
I am capable but conservative, and far from expert. I know that I will not
solo an RV-4, or any other plane, before becoming comfortable in that plane
with an instructor teaching me the ropes. Insurance requires 10+ hours in
type before insuring me in the RVs. I wouldn't solo before that, and not
at all until I felt comfortable (or perhaps until my CFI felt comfortable)
that I could safely fly. Then I would continue to practice a lot and fly
with an instructor on less favorable days.
I will work hard to keep myself, and my plane safe and happy and off of the
NTSB lists.
From the building side I'd consider myself mechanically inclined. I've
spent time taking cars apart and putting them back together, similar
experiences with radios, TVs and such. I am also fortunate to have friends
in the area building RV-7As. I realize that with time requirements
building my own would be a very long-term project. Someday I will start,
and plan for slow progress. Today I'll help my friends and learn the ropes
before starting my own.
I'd like to learn to fly the RV-4 and work at becoming a proficient RV-4 pilot.
I'd like to make trips to Florida to visit you for lunch! ;-)
Thanks for your advice, more is definitely appreciated!
DaveM
At 04:34 PM 11/17/2004, you wrote:
>--> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray <smokyray@yahoo.com>
>
>Dave,
>
> Anything else I could get you while I'm up? You don't want much do
> ya...ha! Seriously, your requests could all probably be handled by a
> visit to your local EAA chapter or finding the local RV builders group.
> They can be found on Links in www.vansairforce.net
> I saw my first RV in a magazine, bought it piece by piece while living
> overseas and like most RVers finished it after many years of sweat equity
> and help from friends. Also, my first RV flight was me doing the test
> flight on my own airplane. I felt comfortable doing it based on my own
> experience, would you? Alot has changed since then in the RV world. so,
> before you get too far along here are some things you should know. The
> RV4 is by far the most incredible compromise civilian lightplane on the
> market. Bonanza speed on a Cherokee budget, Super cub climb, C172
> approach speeds Pitts S1C control feel. However, it ain't for beginners.
> I just helped recover a wrecked "store-bought" RV4 damaged during landing
> buffoonery by an inexperienced pilot. He's lucky to be alive. The NTSB
> files are full of similar RV4 stories. What is your flying experience?
> Flying/driving distance from Boulder could be Florida in an RV4, I made
> Pueblo for lunch from FL last summer. Have you ever built a
> nything
> before?
> Some friendly advice: Seek out the afforementioned RV guys up your way,
> get a tour and talk and then maybe go to a fly-in or two and look there,
> you'll see a bunch of them. If you still feel the same way, then by all
> means press ahead. If nobody up there will take you up, give me a call.
>Good Luck!
>
>Rob Ray
>
>"David J. Mittelstadt" <djmittelstadt@qwest.net> wrote:
>--> RV4-List message posted by: "David J. Mittelstadt"
>
>
>I am interested in finding an RV-4 within flying/driving distance of
>Boulder, CO (1V5) that I could touch and feel. I would like to take a
>close look, and sit in the seats to get a feel for what it is. I'd also
>love to take a flight if that would be possible, but that is not a
>requirement.
>
>I am interested in buying a plane and believe the RV-4 might be the one
>for me.
>I am also interested in building, but suspect I would build one of the
>other RVs. With a family of 4, the RV-10 might be a better long-term plane
>for the whole gang.
>At the moment I have time to fly, not build and fly, so I think buying a
>completed RV-4 would be best. I am thinking primarily 180hp RV-4, but am
>open to considering the 160hp versions.
>
>Any comments about the RV-4 would also be appreciated.
>I am in love with the Citabria. I very much enjoy the tailwheel. I would
>like to own something a bit faster, and a bit more aerobatically capable
>(especially at this altitude). Aerobatics are not my main focus, but I
>expect to spend some time learning and practicing in this way. I will
>spend a lot of time drilling holes in the sky, and making $100 hamburger
>runs. I will(may) also periodically take cross-country flights from Denver
>to Wisconsin, San Diego, CA, Portland, OR, and Salt Lake City, UT. While I
>don't expect to fly long IFR flights I think an IFR platform would be nice
>to get me out of the first 50nm of bad weather in northern Wisconsin.
>
>If anyone would be willing to show me their RV-4, I'd love to find a time.
>
>Thanks,
>David Mittelstadt
>
>David J.
>Mittelstadt
>email: djmittelstadt@qwest.net
>
>
David J.
Mittelstadt
email: djmittelstadt@qwest.net
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