---------------------------------------------------------- RV4-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/11/05: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:28 AM - Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/10/05 (Deal Fair) 2. 06:08 AM - Re: Holy Cowl (Deal Fair) 3. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/10/05 (Steve Sampson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:52 AM PST US From: "Deal Fair" Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/10/05 --> RV4-List message posted by: "Deal Fair" Steve, I confess to knowing just enough to be dangerous with this cowl. Generally though, Sam and Will James have designed it to replace a "stock" RV-4 with a fixed pitch prop. In my case, I am using an Aymar-Demuth prop and a 4" extension. Believe a CS prop would require modifying the cowl length a few inches. Don't recall if it was shortening or lengthen. May I suggest calling Will James. I found him to be most helpful and straight forward. Admittedly, he wants to sell cowls, but he can cut to some of your tech questions real quick. 850-342-9929. Wish I could be more help. Good Luck, Deal Fair > Time: 10:59:10 AM PST US > From: "Steve Sampson" > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Re: Holy Cowl > > --> RV4-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" > > > George - thanks for the reply.Tell me do you understand the length issue? > I > would want to put the cowl on an O-320 with an MT constant speed prop. Do > you know if that works, or do they still they still need this 4" spacer, > because that is clearly not a option with an MT prop on the front. I would > be very grateful if you have managed to understand this issue and can > explain. Thanks, Steve. > > PS What rebate did you get from VANS on the finish kit presumably without > a > cowl kit? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deal Fair" > Subject: RV4-List: Re: Holy Cowl > > >> --> RV4-List message posted by: "Deal Fair" >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> I just received my Holy Cowl last Thursday and should receive the plenum >> this week. Everything I have heard prior to purchase, pretty much tracks >> what Rob said. >> >> Oh well.....it sure looks good and will keep me outta beer joints for >> awhile. Will report back later >> >> Deal Fair >> (N34CB - flying) >> George West, TX >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RV4-List Digest Server" >> To: "RV4-List Digest List" >> Subject: RV4-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 10/07/05 >>> >>> 1. 11:26 AM - Holy Cowl (Steve Sampson) >>> 2. 05:12 PM - Re: Holy Cowl (rob ray) >>> 3. 10:13 PM - Re: Holy Cowl (Steve Sampson) >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ Message 1 >>> _____________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Time: 11:26:25 AM PST US >>> From: "Steve Sampson" >>> Subject: RV4-List: Holy Cowl >>> >>> --> RV4-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" >>> >>> >>> Has anyone on this group experience of the 'Holy Cowl'? See >>> http://www.jamesaircraft.com/About_Us.html >>> >>> I would be interested to hear of peoples experience. >>> >>> Thanks, Steve >>> PA18 G-BVMI >>> RV-9A G-IINI (for sale) >>> RV4 kit on order No.4478 >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ Message 2 >>> _____________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Time: 05:12:50 PM PST US >>> From: rob ray >>> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Holy Cowl >>> >>> --> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray >>> >>> Steve, I helped two friends convert RV4's from standard to the Holy >>> Cowl. >>> After >>> all was said and done I raced both airplanes with my stock RV4 before >>> and >>> after >>> and noticed very little change. Alot of work and money for the >>> conversion >>> that >>> I would have rather spent on gas.One thing I did like was the James >>> plenum >>> chamber, but you could make one out of aluminum that would work fine for >>> alot >>> less $$. The Van's cowl works just fine. >>> Keep it light and stock, install a strong 160-170HP 0-320 and >>> composite >>> prop, >>> minimum panel, odyessey battery and keep it under 950 lbs and you'll >>> love >>> it. >>> >>> I sure do... >>> >>> Rob Ray >> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System >> on behalf of the London Business School community. >> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> -- >> 09/10/2005 >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:12 AM PST US From: "Deal Fair" Subject: RV4-List: Re: Holy Cowl --> RV4-List message posted by: "Deal Fair" Steve, one more thing to consider about the holy cowl is the cost of shipping from Florida. It cost $362.61 to get it to my house in George West, TX. Shipping the plenum is prepaid. As far as this cowl being of any practical value to you, it probably will NOT. I did not factor the shipping cost into my planning. I bought this strictly for cosmetic reasons. Rob Ray is correct when he says the cost will buy a lot of fuel. You can have a solid state transponder with money to spare for the cost of one of these. Every time I look at the new cowl, I'm going to think about that. Is it worth it to sit on the ground and look pretty????? I have to stay out of beer joints now because I can't afford a beer! Deal Fair ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:04 PM PST US From: "Steve Sampson" Subject: Re: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/10/05 --> RV4-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" Deal - thanks for your very full answers. I think its probably the VANS cowls though I think they were poorly made when I built a -9. Lets hope the -4 is better. But I will call James. Thanks, Steve. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deal Fair" Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/10/05 > --> RV4-List message posted by: "Deal Fair" > > Steve, I confess to knowing just enough to be dangerous with this cowl. > Generally though, Sam and Will James have designed it to replace a "stock" > RV-4 with a fixed pitch prop. In my case, I am using an Aymar-Demuth prop > and a 4" extension. Believe a CS prop would require modifying the cowl > length a few inches. Don't recall if it was shortening or lengthen. > > May I suggest calling Will James. I found him to be most helpful and > straight forward. Admittedly, he wants to sell cowls, but he can cut to > some of your tech questions real quick. 850-342-9929. Wish I could be > more > help. > > Good Luck, > > Deal Fair >> Time: 10:59:10 AM PST US >> From: "Steve Sampson" >> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Re: Holy Cowl >> >> --> RV4-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" >> >> >> George - thanks for the reply.Tell me do you understand the length issue? >> I >> would want to put the cowl on an O-320 with an MT constant speed prop. Do >> you know if that works, or do they still they still need this 4" spacer, >> because that is clearly not a option with an MT prop on the front. I >> would >> be very grateful if you have managed to understand this issue and can >> explain. Thanks, Steve. >> >> PS What rebate did you get from VANS on the finish kit presumably without >> a >> cowl kit? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Deal Fair" >> Subject: RV4-List: Re: Holy Cowl >> >> >>> --> RV4-List message posted by: "Deal Fair" >>> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I just received my Holy Cowl last Thursday and should receive the plenum >>> this week. Everything I have heard prior to purchase, pretty much >>> tracks >>> what Rob said. >>> >>> Oh well.....it sure looks good and will keep me outta beer joints for >>> awhile. Will report back later >>> >>> Deal Fair >>> (N34CB - flying) >>> George West, TX >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "RV4-List Digest Server" >>> To: "RV4-List Digest List" >>> Subject: RV4-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 10/07/05 >>>> >>>> 1. 11:26 AM - Holy Cowl (Steve Sampson) >>>> 2. 05:12 PM - Re: Holy Cowl (rob ray) >>>> 3. 10:13 PM - Re: Holy Cowl (Steve Sampson) >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ Message 1 >>>> _____________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Time: 11:26:25 AM PST US >>>> From: "Steve Sampson" >>>> Subject: RV4-List: Holy Cowl >>>> >>>> --> RV4-List message posted by: "Steve Sampson" >>>> >>>> >>>> Has anyone on this group experience of the 'Holy Cowl'? See >>>> http://www.jamesaircraft.com/About_Us.html >>>> >>>> I would be interested to hear of peoples experience. >>>> >>>> Thanks, Steve >>>> PA18 G-BVMI >>>> RV-9A G-IINI (for sale) >>>> RV4 kit on order No.4478 >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ Message 2 >>>> _____________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Time: 05:12:50 PM PST US >>>> From: rob ray >>>> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Holy Cowl >>>> >>>> --> RV4-List message posted by: rob ray >>>> >>>> Steve, I helped two friends convert RV4's from standard to the Holy >>>> Cowl. >>>> After >>>> all was said and done I raced both airplanes with my stock RV4 before >>>> and >>>> after >>>> and noticed very little change. Alot of work and money for the >>>> conversion >>>> that >>>> I would have rather spent on gas.One thing I did like was the James >>>> plenum >>>> chamber, but you could make one out of aluminum that would work fine >>>> for >>>> alot >>>> less $$. The Van's cowl works just fine. >>>> Keep it light and stock, install a strong 160-170HP 0-320 and >>>> composite >>>> prop, >>>> minimum panel, odyessey battery and keep it under 950 lbs and you'll >>>> love >>>> it. >>>> >>>> I sure do... >>>> >>>> Rob Ray >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System >>> on behalf of the London Business School community. >>> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email >>> ______________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 09/10/2005 >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System > on behalf of the London Business School community. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > -- > 11/10/2005 > >