---------------------------------------------------------- RV4-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/03/07: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:02 PM - Re: RV4-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 04/02/07 (geospring@comcast.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:52 PM PST US From: geospring@comcast.net Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 04/02/07 Steve, I just checked mine and I have a half inch lip all around that makes full contact with the bulkhead all the way around and is hinged on the bottom for access. The weight of the seatback cushion holds it in place. I,ve rolled it many times and it has never moved. If I had a digital camera I could take a photo of it for you. It,s on my list. George RV-4 4375J Chester, Ct. 3B9 -------------- Original message -------------- From: RV4-List Digest Server > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete RV4-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 0 > 7-04-02&Archive=RV4 > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 07 > -04-02&Archive=RV4 > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > RV4-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Mon 04/02/07: 7 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 01:05 AM - Rear seat back (S Sampson) > 2. 04:55 AM - Re: Rear seat back (Derrick Aubuchon) > 3. 05:26 AM - Re: Rear seat back (Rob Ray) > 4. 10:29 AM - Re: Rear seat back (S Sampson) > 5. 11:16 AM - Re: Rear seat back (halbenjamin@optonline.net) > 6. 11:29 AM - Re: Rear seat back (DFCPAC@aol.com) > 7. 02:02 PM - Re: Rear seat back (Derrick Aubuchon) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:05:47 AM PST US > From: "S Sampson" > Subject: RV4-List: Rear seat back > > I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight > of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the > intent that the point contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is > the mechanism? It appears a bit crude! > > Thanks, Steve. > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:55:04 AM PST US > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back > From: "Derrick Aubuchon" > > > Check Van's website. > There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very issue. > The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the rear > seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons. > > > I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight > > of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the > > intent that the point contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is > > the mechanism? It appears a bit crude! > > > > Thanks, Steve. > > > -- > Derrick Aubuchon > daubuchon@volcano.net > RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs > Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA) > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:26:53 AM PST US > From: Rob Ray > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back > > Steve, > > If you restrict your back seat usage to petite, cute girls, you will never have > a problem... :) > > RR > > > > Check Van's website. > There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very issue. > The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the rear > seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons. > > > I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight > > of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the > > intent that the point contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is > > the mechanism? It appears a bit crude! > > > > Thanks, Steve. > > > -- > Derrick Aubuchon > daubuchon@volcano.net > RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs > Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA) > > > --------------------------------- > TV dinner still cooling? > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. > > ________________________________ Message 4 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:29:29 AM PST US > From: "S Sampson" > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back > > > Derek - Thanks. Yes, I have read the SB but think that relates to the steel > bracket supporting the bulkhead itself. I have those installed.What I am > puzzling about is the fact that on the front side of the bulkhead the > contact is with the sharp edge of the seat frame. I have put a couple of > pictures > http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/2007/04/rear-seat-installation.html#links > on my blog to try and make my concern clearer. Am I misunderstanding > something? > > Cheers, Steve > > Smokey, A portfolio of cute girls are largly out for me, (I would probably > find half my spar bolts missing) but I trust a cute wife at 112lbs is OK? > Still would like to build the thing right though! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derrick Aubuchon" > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:54 PM > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back > > > > > > Check Van's website. > > There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very issue. > > The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the rear > > seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons. > > > >> I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight > >> of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the > >> intent that the point contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is > >> the mechanism? It appears a bit crude! > >> > >> Thanks, Steve. > > > > > > -- > > Derrick Aubuchon > > daubuchon@volcano.net > > RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs > > Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA) > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System > > on behalf of the London Business School community. > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________ Message 5 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:16:35 AM PST US > From: halbenjamin@optonline.net > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back > > Hi Steve, > > You have it right. I trimmed the side rails to match the angle they at witch > they > meet the bulkhead. I'm thinking about adding a "wedge" of plastic as well > to distribute the load. > > Hal Benjamin > Finish Kit > RV4 - Long Island, NY > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: S Sampson > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back > > > > > Derek - Thanks. Yes, I have read the SB but think that relates > > to the steel > > bracket supporting the bulkhead itself. I have those > > installed.What I am > > puzzling about is the fact that on the front side of the > > bulkhead the > > contact is with the sharp edge of the seat frame. I have put a > > couple of > > pictures > > http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/2007/04/rear-seat- > > installation.html#linkson my blog to try and make my concern > > clearer. Am I misunderstanding > > something? > > > > Cheers, Steve > > > > Smokey, A portfolio of cute girls are largly out for me, (I > > would probably > > find half my spar bolts missing) but I trust a cute wife at > > 112lbs is OK? > > Still would like to build the thing right though! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Derrick Aubuchon" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:54 PM > > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back > > > > > > > > > > Check Van's website. > > > There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this > > very issue. > > > The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the rear > > > seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons. > > > > > >> I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how > > the weight > > >> of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. > > Is the > > >> intent that the point contact of the side channels to the > > bulkhead is > > >> the mechanism? It appears a bit crude! > > >> > > >> Thanks, Steve. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Derrick Aubuchon > > > daubuchon@volcano.net > > > RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs > > > Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________> > > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System > > > on behalf of the London Business School community. > > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:29:36 AM PST US > From: DFCPAC@aol.com > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back > > hi hal, > > i just read about the rear seat. i'm located on long island with a flying > rv-4. located 1n2 spardo's. where are you on long island? > > danny > rv4 > N2275S > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ________________________________ Message 7 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:02:37 PM PST US > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back > From: "Derrick Aubuchon" > > > Steve, > > As another builder mentioned, trim the side channel to match the bulkhead. > However, keep this in mind, most of the load and contact surface is borne > by the to half of the seat back, the fiberglass portioned,, and should be > drilled in assembly to match the correct seatback to bulkhead angle. > > If drilled properly, the entire fiberglass flange should rest against the > bulkhead, and only the top portion of the side angle should make contact, > below the fiberglass. > > It's would be best to "dry fit" the fiberglass to the seat back, and place > in against the bulkhead in order to eyeball the correct angle on the side > rail. > > Derrick Aubuchon > daubuchon@volcano.net > RV4: N184DA 500+ hours > Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA) > > > > > Derek - Thanks. Yes, I have read the SB but think that relates to the > > steel bracket supporting the bulkhead itself. I have those > > installed.What I am puzzling about is the fact that on the front side > > of the bulkhead the contact is with the sharp edge of the seat frame. I > > have put a couple of pictures > > http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/2007/04/rear-seat-installation.html#links > > on my blog to try and make my concern clearer. Am I misunderstanding > > something? > > > > Cheers, Steve > > > > Smokey, A portfolio of cute girls are largly out for me, (I would > > probably find half my spar bolts missing) but I trust a cute wife at > > 112lbs is OK? Still would like to build the thing right though! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Derrick Aubuchon" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:54 PM > > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back > > > > > >> > >> > >> Check Van's website. > >> There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very > >> issue. The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the > >> rear seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons. > >> > >>> I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the > >>> weight of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. > >>> Is the intent that the point contact of the side channels to the > >>> bulkhead is the mechanism? It appears a bit crude! > >>> > >>> Thanks, Steve. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Derrick Aubuchon > >> daubuchon@volcano.net > >> RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs > >> Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System > >> on behalf of the London Business School community. > >> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> > > > > > > > -- > daubuchon@volcano.net > > > > > > > > >
  Steve,  I just checked mine and I have a half inch lip all around that makes full contact with the bulkhead all the way around and is hinged on the bottom for access.  The weight of the seatback cushion holds it in place. I,ve rolled it many times and it has never moved. If I had a digital camera I could take a photo of it for you. It,s on my list.
    George  RV-4 4375J    Chester, Ct.  3B9
 
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> 1. 01:05 AM - Rear seat back (S Sampson)
> 2. 04:55 AM - Re: Rear seat back (Derrick Aubuchon)
> 3. 05:26 AM - Re: Rear seat back (Rob Ray)
> 4. 10:29 AM - Re: Rear seat back (S Sampson)
> 5. 11:16 AM - Re: Re ar sea t back (halbenjamin@optonline.net)
> 6. 11:29 AM - Re: Rear seat back (DFCPAC@aol.com)
> 7. 02:02 PM - Re: Rear seat back (Derrick Aubuchon)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:05:47 AM PST US
> From: "S Sampson"
> Subject: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
> I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight
> of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the
> intent that the point contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is
> the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
>
> Thanks, Steve.
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:55:04 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
> From: "Derrick Au buchon "
>
>
> Check Van's website.
> There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very issue.
> The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the rear
> seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons.
>
> > I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight
> > of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the
> > intent that the point contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is
> > the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
> >
> > Thanks, Steve.
>
>
> --
> Derrick Aubuchon
> daubuchon@volcano.net
> RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
> Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:26:53 AM PST US
> From: Rob Ray
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
> Steve,
>
> If you restrict your back seat usage to petite, cute girls, you will never have
> a problem... :)
>
> RR
>
>
>
> Check Van's website.
> There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very issue.
> The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the rear
> seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons.
>
> > I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight
> > of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the
> > intent that the point contact of the side channels to the bulkhead is
> > the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
> >
> > Thanks, Steve.
>
>
> --
> Derrick Aubuchon
> daubuchon@volcano.net
> RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
> Based @ O70 (Jac kson, CA)
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> TV dinner still cooling?
> Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:29:29 AM PST US
> From: "S Sampson"
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
>
> Derek - Thanks. Yes, I have read the SB but think that relates to the steel
> bracket supporting the bulkhead itself. I have those installed.What I am
> puzzling about is the fact that on the front side of the bulkhead the
> contact is with the sharp edge of the seat frame. I have put a couple of
> pictures
> http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/2007/04/rear-seat-installation.html#links
> on my blog to try and make my concern clearer. Am I misunderstanding
> something?
>
> Cheers, Steve
> < BR>> Smokey, A portfolio of cute girls are largly out for me, (I would probably
> find half my spar bolts missing) but I trust a cute wife at 112lbs is OK?
> Still would like to build the thing right though!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derrick Aubuchon"
> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:54 PM
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
>
> >
> > Check Van's website.
> > There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very issue.
> > The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the rear
> > seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons.
> >
> >> I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the weight
> >> of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead. Is the
> >> intent that the point contact of the side channels to the b ulkhea d is
> >> the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
> >>
> >> Thanks, Steve.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Derrick Aubuchon
> > daubuchon@volcano.net
> > RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
> > Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________________
> >
> > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System
> > on behalf of the London Business School community.
> > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email
> > ______________________________________________________________________
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:16:35 AM PST US
> From: halbenjamin@optonline.net
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear s eat ba ck
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> You have it right. I trimmed the side rails to match the angle they at witch
> they
> meet the bulkhead. I'm thinking about adding a "wedge" of plastic as well
> to distribute the load.
>
> Hal Benjamin
> Finish Kit
> RV4 - Long Island, NY
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: S Sampson
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
> >
> > Derek - Thanks. Yes, I have read the SB but think that relates
> > to the steel
> > bracket supporting the bulkhead itself. I have those
> > installed.What I am
> > puzzling about is the fact that on the front side of the
> > bulkhead the
> > contact is with the sharp edge of the seat frame. I have put a
> > couple of
> > pictures
> > http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/2007/04/rear-seat-
> > instal lation .html#linkson my blog to try and make my concern
> > clearer. Am I misunderstanding
> > something?
> >
> > Cheers, Steve
> >
> > Smokey, A portfolio of cute girls are largly out for me, (I
> > would probably
> > find half my spar bolts missing) but I trust a cute wife at
> > 112lbs is OK?
> > Still would like to build the thing right though!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Derrick Aubuchon"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Check Van's website.
> > > There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this
> > very issue.
> > > The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the rear
> > > seat/baggage bul khead, and the longerons.
> > >
> > >> I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how
> > the weight
> > >> of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead.
> > Is the
> > >> intent that the point contact of the side channels to the
> > bulkhead is
> > >> the mechanism? It appears a bit crude!
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, Steve.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Derrick Aubuchon
> > > daubuchon@volcano.net
> > > RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
> > > Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ______________________________________________________________________>
> > > This email has been scan ned by the MessageLabs Email Security System
> > > on behalf of the London Business School community.
> > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email
> > >
> > ______________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:29:36 AM PST US
> From: DFCPAC@aol.com
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
>
> hi hal,
>
> i just read about the rear seat. i'm located on long island with a flying
> rv-4. located 1n2 spardo's. where are you on long island?
>
> danny
> rv4
> N2275S
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
>
> _________ ______ _________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:02:37 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
> From: "Derrick Aubuchon"
>
>
> Steve,
>
> As another builder mentioned, trim the side channel to match the bulkhead.
> However, keep this in mind, most of the load and contact surface is borne
> by the to half of the seat back, the fiberglass portioned,, and should be
> drilled in assembly to match the correct seatback to bulkhead angle.
>
> If drilled properly, the entire fiberglass flange should rest against the
> bulkhead, and only the top portion of the side angle should make contact,
> below the fiberglass.
>
> It's would be best to "dry fit" the fiberglass to the seat back, and place
> in against the bulkhead in order to eyeball the correct angle on the side
&g t; rai l.
>
> Derrick Aubuchon
> daubuchon@volcano.net
> RV4: N184DA 500+ hours
> Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
>
> >
> > Derek - Thanks. Yes, I have read the SB but think that relates to the
> > steel bracket supporting the bulkhead itself. I have those
> > installed.What I am puzzling about is the fact that on the front side
> > of the bulkhead the contact is with the sharp edge of the seat frame. I
> > have put a couple of pictures
> > http://gikonfuse.blogspot.com/2007/04/rear-seat-installation.html#links
> > on my blog to try and make my concern clearer. Am I misunderstanding
> > something?
> >
> > Cheers, Steve
> >
> > Smokey, A portfolio of cute girls are largly out for me, (I would
> > probably find half my spar bolts missing) but I trust a cute wife at
> > 112lbs is OK? Still would like to build the thing right though!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Derrick Aubuchon"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Rear seat back
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Check Van's website.
> >> There is a Service Bulletin (SB 97-05-1), which addresses this very
> >> issue. The SB entails installing angles, (or gussets), between the
> >> rear seat/baggage bulkhead, and the longerons.
> >>
> >>> I am putting the rear seat frame together, and puzzling how the
> >>> weight of the pax leaning back in it is to be taken by the bulkhead.
> >>> Is the intent that the point contact of the side channels to the
> >>> bulkhead is the mech anism? It appears a bit crude!
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Steve.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Derrick Aubuchon
> >> daubuchon@volcano.net
> >> RV 4 N184DA, 500+ hrs
> >> Based @ O70 (Jackson, CA)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System
> >> on behalf of the London Business School community.
> >> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email
> >> ______________________________________________________________________
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> daubuchon@volcano.net
>
> >
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