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1. 07:44 AM - RV6a tanks (jolly dawson)
2. 01:21 PM - Re:New Tail (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
3. 01:35 PM - Re: Re:New Tail (Docstevew1@aol.com)
4. 02:08 PM - Re: Re:New Tail (SteinAir, Inc.)
5. 02:11 PM - Re: Re:New Tail (Del Schneider)
6. 02:24 PM - Re: Re:New Tail (Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk))
7. 02:30 PM - Re: Re:New Tail (Docstevew1@aol.com)
8. 05:33 PM - Re: Re:New Tail (Tedd McHenry)
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0.12 X_PRIORITY_HIGH Sent with 'X-Priority' set to high
looking for un-sloshed tanks..(2)..someone painted the inside of mine with epoxy
paint and it's chipping off..mek and aceatone won't work..have put 3" holes
in the back bulkhead to get at the "mess", was wondering if a radiator shop could
take the stuff out, so I could re-pro-seal?..thanks in advance, and to the
kind people who have answered my questions on "the other" web site...jolly in
dallas, ore
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Larry,
The last batch of 6-6a's that went out had the -7 tail. I have one but
haven't flown it yet. Apparently it's not a W&B issue, or I don't think Van's
would have done it this way.
I doubt if it's more than a half pound heavier. I also am partners in a -6a
with the small tail, and first thing I noticed when I started flying it was
the tail wag in turb. Over time, I learned to ignore it, but then got to fly
a
-7a with the tall tail and immediately noticed the lack of wag. Also hard to
slip with the short tail, although I don't know about the tall one in that
regard.
Cheers,
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
In a message dated 12/16/2005 12:09:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rv6-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
From: Larry Rush <k9hxt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RV6-List: New tail
Has anyone replaced the standard vertical tail on the RV-6 or 6A with the
RV-7
design? I flew a RV-7A and was amazed at the difference I believe the vert.
tail makes. Anybody ??????
Thanks and Merry Christmas,
Larry, RV-6A N939LT
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How about spin entry and recovery? Is there anyone who has a comparison
between the two different tails on the 6? Due to varying opinions, especially
Van's, I've yet to enter a spin in my 6, but if it is significantly more
predictable/less violent with the 7 tail feathers, I will purchase the 7 tail
feathers.
Thanks!
Steve Weidler
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Hi Guys,
I'm one of the only few I know about that have the new very large RV7/9 tail
on an RV6. You can see some pictures that compare them at
http://www.steinair.com/tails.htm. There are people who've changed the
vertical stab and rudder...I think Jerry Springer had to do that because of
some "unfortuneate incident"...maybe he'll join in here.
It's a complete RV-7 Tail kit that I built and installed on the RV-6.
Indeed it does weight quite a lot more than the -6 tail/empennage. On the
white airplane I originally had a -320 with a FP sensenich. Well....it was
wayyyyy to tail heavy so I'm in the process of installing a -360 and C/S
Hartzell.
I didn't weigh all the parts, but the lead on the elevators is different,
the lead in the rudder is several added pounds, along with that huge rudder
being nearly twice the surface area. That being said, it does make quite a
difference in Xwinds, and now you can really slip the thing in. Also gone
is the tail wag on my other RV.
Anyway, if you're thinking of using that huge tail with a -320 and FP prop,
you'll have basically no baggage use. With the -360 and C/S prop you'll be
back to having some usable baggage.
Just my 2 cents as usual!
Cheers,
Stein.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry2DT@aol.com
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 3:21 PM
To: rv6-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV6-List: Re:New Tail
Larry,
The last batch of 6-6a's that went out had the -7 tail. I have one but
haven't flown it yet. Apparently it's not a W&B issue, or I don't think
Van's would have done it this way.
I doubt if it's more than a half pound heavier. I also am partners in
a -6a with the small tail, and first thing I noticed when I started flying
it was the tail wag in turb. Over time, I learned to ignore it, but then
got to fly a -7a with the tall tail and immediately noticed the lack of wag.
Also hard to slip with the short tail, although I don't know about the tall
one in that regard.
Cheers,
Jerry Cochran
Wilsonville, OR
In a message dated 12/16/2005 12:09:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rv6-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
From: Larry Rush <k9hxt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RV6-List: New tail
Has anyone replaced the standard vertical tail on the RV-6 or 6A with
the RV-7
design? I flew a RV-7A and was amazed at the difference I believe the
vert.
tail makes. Anybody ??????
Thanks and Merry Christmas,
Larry, RV-6A N939LT
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I don't believe that Van's recomends spins. My 6A with the counterbalance
tail certainly flys different than small tail. I have a partially assembled
counterbalance tail (empennage) for sale real cheap. I ended up with 2 when
I built.
Del Schneider
C-GZVD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Docstevew1@aol.com
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 1:35 PM
To: rv6-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV6-List: Re:New Tail
How about spin entry and recovery? Is there anyone who has a comparison
between the two different tails on the 6? Due to varying opinions,
especially Van's, I've yet to enter a spin in my 6, but if it is
significantly more predictable/less violent with the 7 tail feathers, I will
purchase the 7 tail feathers.
Thanks!
Steve Weidler
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How much?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Del Schneider
Subject: RE: RV6-List: Re:New Tail
I don't believe that Van's recomends spins. My 6A with the
counterbalance tail certainly flys different than small tail. I have a
partially assembled counterbalance tail (empennage) for sale real cheap.
I ended up with 2 when I built.
Del Schneider
C-GZVD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Docstevew1@aol.com
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 1:35 PM
To: rv6-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV6-List: Re:New Tail
How about spin entry and recovery? Is there anyone who has a
comparison between the two different tails on the 6? Due to varying
opinions, especially Van's, I've yet to enter a spin in my 6, but if it
is significantly more predictable/less violent with the 7 tail feathers,
I will purchase the 7 tail feathers.
Thanks!
Steve Weidler
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Del,
Is that the 7 tail kit? I so, please email me off the list with the details
and price.
_docstevew1@aol.com_ (mailto:docstevew1@aol.com)
Thanks!
Steve
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--> RV6-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
I appreciate the desire for caution, but the question of -6 and -7 spin
characteristics is probably getting a lot more attention than it deserves.
Van's latest word on the subject is Service Bulletin 02-6-1, which is available
at http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb02-6-1.pdf. In it he says,
"We chose to recommend that RV-6 pilots concentrate on learning spin
recognition, immediate recovery, and spin avoidance rather than encouraging
them to explore the limits of spin recoverability. We also recommended that the
RV-6 not be used for recreational spins. Section 15 of the RV-6 Construction
Manual details spin testing, spin recovery techniques, and spin limitation
recommendations for pilots."
Section 15 of the RV-6 construction manual says,
"For the pilot anticipating aerobatic use of his RV-6, this will include stall
entries from steep pitch angles and banks, and accelerated stalls from similar
attidudes. Similarly, spins should be practiced from various entry attitudes
and power settings. Obviously, initial spin testing should be done with the
airplane loaded to a forward C.G. and entry attitudes should be moderate. With
satisfactory recovery, loading and entry attidudes can be increased to
anticipated limits."
Clearly, Van is not recommending never spinning the RV-6. To the contrary, he
specifically recommends spin testing for builders who plan on aerobatics, and
provides some detail on how to accomplish it. Van also says that, with the
larger tail, "RV-7 spin recovery qualities are equal to or better than those of
the standard RV-6/6A, which have been service proven through fleet experience."
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
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