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2. 11:17 AM - Re: Aerobatic ability (houndsfour@comcast.net)
3. 12:44 PM - Re: Aerobatic ability (MnwPeeps@aol.com)
4. 12:53 PM - Re: Aerobatic ability (D1GCC@aol.com)
5. 08:22 PM - Re: Aerobatic ability (David Leonard)
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| Subject: | Aerobatic ability |
Hello, all -
I've had my 6A for a while, but have not been successful determining what
the aircraft can safely do - or not do, aerobatically. Without a 'chute, I don't
want to be up there, experimenting.
Can anyone with experience advise:
1. Am I correct in assuming snaps are ok, as to airframe stress? What might
be the best entry speed? I'm guessing around 90 to 110 mph.
2. I gather Vans has suggested rather firmly that we not engage in
recreational spins. Why not? Do some of you spin, anyway? What is the risk factor?
Aren't just two or three turns ok?
3. What about hammerheads? If the a/c allows them, safely, what are the
control movements? With my previous military trainer, it was full pwr, straight
up to just below stall, then full right rudder and simultaneous full left
aileron, followed by immediate full-forward stick, maintaining the left bias.
The trainer would then slowly pitch over, do a gentle half-roll, and proceed
straight down. I'm kind of missing that!
4. Is a tailslide (as in "a failed hammerhead") dangerous for the 6A - -
over-stressing?
I'm getting a tad bored with rolls and loops.
Any sage advice would be appreciated.
thanks - Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatic ability |
Without a chute, you shouldn't be doing any munuvers with a bank angle greater
than 60 degrees
by faa regs.
Rich
But dosen't she do a great roll.
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From: MnwPeeps@aol.com
Hello, all -
I've had my 6A for a while, but have not been successful determining what the aircraft
can safely do - or not do, aerobatically. Without a 'chute, I don't want
to be up there, experimenting.
Can anyone with experience advise:
1. Am I correct in assuming snaps are ok, as to airframe stress? What might be
the best entry speed? I'm guessing around 90 to 110 mph.
2. I gather Vans has suggested rather firmly that we not engage in recreational
spins. Why not? Do some of you spin, anyway? What is the risk factor? Aren't
just two or three turns ok?
3. What about hammerheads? If the a/c allows them, safely, what are the control
movements? With my previous military trainer, it was full pwr, straight up to
just below stall, then full right rudder and simultaneous full left aileron,
followed by immediate full-forward stick, maintaining the left bias. The trainer
would then slowly pitch over, do a gentle half-roll, and proceed straight
down. I'm kind of missing that!
4. Is a tailslide (as in "a failed hammerhead") dangerous for the 6A - - over-stressing?
I'm getting a tad bored with rolls and loops. Any sage
advice would be appreciated.
thanks - Mark
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<DIV>Without a chute, you shouldn't be doing any munuvers with a bank angle greater
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<DIV>by faa regs.</DIV>
<DIV>Rich</DIV>
<DIV>But dosen't she do a great roll.</DIV>
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<DIV>Hello, all - </DIV>
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<DIV>I've had my 6A for a while, but have not been successful determining what
the aircraft can safely do - or not do, aerobatically. Without a 'chute, I don't
want to be up there, experimenting. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Can anyone with experience advise: </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1. Am I correct in assuming snaps are ok, as to airframe stress? What
might be the best entry speed? I'm guessing around 90 to 110 mph.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>2. I gather Vans has suggested rather firmly that we not engage in recreational
spins. Why not? Do some of you spin, anyway? What is the risk
factor? Aren't just two or three turns ok?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>3. What about hammerheads? If the a/c allows them, safely, what are
the control movements? With my previous military trainer, it was full pwr, straight
up to just below stall, then full right rudder and simultaneous full
left aileron, followed by immediate full-forward stick, maintaining the left
bias. The trainer would then slowly pitch over, do a gentle half-roll, and
proceed straight down. I'm kind of missing that! </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>4. Is a tailslide (as in "a failed hammerhead") dangerous for the
6A - - over-stressing? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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I'm getting a tad bored with rolls and loops. Any sage advice would
be appreciated. </DIV>
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<DIV>
thanks -
Mark </DIV></FONT><BR><BR><BR>
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatic ability |
In a message dated 10/3/2008 2:17:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
houndsfour@comcast.net writes:
Without a chute, you shouldn't be doing any munuvers with a bank angle
greater than 60 degrees
by faa regs.
Well, that's constructive!
"Munuvers?" How about maneuvers??
Back to your cave, laddie!
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatic ability |
In a message dated 03/10/2008 20:44:38 GMT Daylight Time, MnwPeeps@aol.com
writes:
maneuvers??
or in the Queen's English "manoeuvres"
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatic ability |
Mark,
Lots of stuff about that in the archives. Don't listen to me, check there
I have done snap rolls but they are a little a little sketchy because the
entry speed window is rather narrow, closer to 75-80 kts as I recall. Work
it out by doing accelerated stalls. Make sure your entry speed is less than
the speed for a 4G accelerated stall, preferably even slower. It is a
supper fun maneuver, but I snapped a rudder chain and also tweaked my rudder
doing them, so I have not done any in a while.
I also do multi turn spins (even 10 or more turns). I loose oil pressure at
around 8 turns (because the lateral forces build up and empty the oil
sump). Also supper fun and relatively benign, at least in my plane. I
think Vans recommends avioiding them because you never know if one aircraft
will behave differently than the next. Also, it is only a matter of time
until someone makes an error and burns in.
I don't do hammer heads because I never got training in them and it just
seems to me that a backslide would be very hard on the rudder.
JMHO,
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:07 AM, <MnwPeeps@aol.com> wrote:
> Hello, all -
>
> I've had my 6A for a while, but have not been successful determining what
> the aircraft can safely do - or not do, aerobatically. Without a 'chute, I
> don't want to be up there, experimenting.
>
> Can anyone with experience advise:
>
> 1. Am I correct in assuming snaps are ok, as to airframe stress? What
> might be the best entry speed? I'm guessing around 90 to 110 mph.
>
> 2. I gather Vans has suggested rather firmly that we not engage in
> recreational spins. Why not? Do some of you spin, anyway? What is the risk
> factor? Aren't just two or three turns ok?
>
> 3. What about hammerheads? If the a/c allows them, safely, what are the
> control movements? With my previous military trainer, it was full pwr,
> straight up to just below stall, then full right rudder and simultaneous
> full left aileron, followed by immediate full-forward stick, maintaining the
> left bias. The trainer would then slowly pitch over, do a gentle half-roll,
> and proceed straight down. I'm kind of missing that!
>
> 4. Is a tailslide (as in "a failed hammerhead") dangerous for the 6A - -
> over-stressing?
>
> I'm getting a tad bored with rolls and loops.
> Any sage advice would be appreciated.
>
>
> thanks - Mark
>
>
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