---------------------------------------------------------- RV6-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/03/08: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:07 AM - Aerobatic ability (MnwPeeps@aol.com) 2. 11:17 AM - Re: Aerobatic ability (houndsfour@comcast.net) 3. 12:44 PM - Re: Aerobatic ability (MnwPeeps@aol.com) 4. 12:53 PM - Re: Aerobatic ability (D1GCC@aol.com) 5. 08:22 PM - Re: Aerobatic ability (David Leonard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:55 AM PST US From: MnwPeeps@aol.com Subject: RV6-List: Aerobatic ability Hello, all - I've had my 6A for a while, but have not been successful determining what the aircraft can safely do - or not do, aerobatically. Without a 'chute, I don't want to be up there, experimenting. Can anyone with experience advise: 1. Am I correct in assuming snaps are ok, as to airframe stress? What might be the best entry speed? I'm guessing around 90 to 110 mph. 2. I gather Vans has suggested rather firmly that we not engage in recreational spins. Why not? Do some of you spin, anyway? What is the risk factor? Aren't just two or three turns ok? 3. What about hammerheads? If the a/c allows them, safely, what are the control movements? With my previous military trainer, it was full pwr, straight up to just below stall, then full right rudder and simultaneous full left aileron, followed by immediate full-forward stick, maintaining the left bias. The trainer would then slowly pitch over, do a gentle half-roll, and proceed straight down. I'm kind of missing that! 4. Is a tailslide (as in "a failed hammerhead") dangerous for the 6A - - over-stressing? I'm getting a tad bored with rolls and loops. Any sage advice would be appreciated. thanks - Mark **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:16 AM PST US From: houndsfour@comcast.net Subject: Re: RV6-List: Aerobatic ability Without a chute, you shouldn't be doing any munuvers with a bank angle greater than 60 degrees by faa regs. Rich But dosen't she do a great roll. -------------- Original message -------------- From: MnwPeeps@aol.com Hello, all - I've had my 6A for a while, but have not been successful determining what the aircraft can safely do - or not do, aerobatically. Without a 'chute, I don't want to be up there, experimenting. Can anyone with experience advise: 1. Am I correct in assuming snaps are ok, as to airframe stress? What might be the best entry speed? I'm guessing around 90 to 110 mph. 2. I gather Vans has suggested rather firmly that we not engage in recreational spins. Why not? Do some of you spin, anyway? What is the risk factor? Aren't just two or three turns ok? 3. What about hammerheads? If the a/c allows them, safely, what are the control movements? With my previous military trainer, it was full pwr, straight up to just below stall, then full right rudder and simultaneous full left aileron, followed by immediate full-forward stick, maintaining the left bias. The trainer would then slowly pitch over, do a gentle half-roll, and proceed straight down. I'm kind of missing that! 4. Is a tailslide (as in "a failed hammerhead") dangerous for the 6A - - over-stressing? I'm getting a tad bored with rolls and loops. Any sage advice would be appreciated. thanks - Mark New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out!
Without a chute, you shouldn't be doing any munuvers with a bank angle greater than 60 degrees
by faa regs.
Rich
But dosen't she do a great roll.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: MnwPeeps@aol.com
Hello, all   - 
 
I've had my 6A for a while, but have not been successful determining what the aircraft can safely do - or not do, aerobatically. Without a 'chute, I don't want to be up there, experimenting.
 
Can anyone with experience advise:
 
1.  Am I correct in assuming snaps are ok, as to airframe stress? What might be the best entry speed? I'm guessing around 90 to 110 mph.
 
2.  I gather Vans has suggested rather firmly that we not engage in recreational spins. Why not? Do some of you spin, anyway? What is the risk factor? Aren't just two or three turns ok?
 
3.  What about hammerheads? If the a/c allows them, safely, what are the control movements? With my previous military trainer, it was full pwr, straight up to just below stall, then full right rudder and simultaneous full left aileron, followed by immediate full-forward stick, maintaining the left bias. The trainer would then slowly pitch over, do a gentle half-roll, and proceed straight down. I'm kind of missing that!
 
4.  Is a tailslide (as in "a failed hammerhead") dangerous for the 6A -  - over-stressing? 
 
                            I'm getting a tad bored with rolls and loops. Any sage advice would be appreciated.
 
                                                                                      thanks   -     Mark  



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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:02 PM PST US From: MnwPeeps@aol.com Subject: Re: RV6-List: Aerobatic ability In a message dated 10/3/2008 2:17:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, houndsfour@comcast.net writes: Without a chute, you shouldn't be doing any munuvers with a bank angle greater than 60 degrees by faa regs. Well, that's constructive! "Munuvers?" How about maneuvers?? Back to your cave, laddie! **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:21 PM PST US From: D1GCC@aol.com Subject: Re: RV6-List: Aerobatic ability In a message dated 03/10/2008 20:44:38 GMT Daylight Time, MnwPeeps@aol.com writes: maneuvers?? or in the Queen's English "manoeuvres" ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:47 PM PST US From: "David Leonard" Subject: Re: RV6-List: Aerobatic ability Mark, Lots of stuff about that in the archives. Don't listen to me, check there I have done snap rolls but they are a little a little sketchy because the entry speed window is rather narrow, closer to 75-80 kts as I recall. Work it out by doing accelerated stalls. Make sure your entry speed is less than the speed for a 4G accelerated stall, preferably even slower. It is a supper fun maneuver, but I snapped a rudder chain and also tweaked my rudder doing them, so I have not done any in a while. I also do multi turn spins (even 10 or more turns). I loose oil pressure at around 8 turns (because the lateral forces build up and empty the oil sump). Also supper fun and relatively benign, at least in my plane. I think Vans recommends avioiding them because you never know if one aircraft will behave differently than the next. Also, it is only a matter of time until someone makes an error and burns in. I don't do hammer heads because I never got training in them and it just seems to me that a backslide would be very hard on the rudder. JMHO, -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:07 AM, wrote: > Hello, all - > > I've had my 6A for a while, but have not been successful determining what > the aircraft can safely do - or not do, aerobatically. Without a 'chute, I > don't want to be up there, experimenting. > > Can anyone with experience advise: > > 1. Am I correct in assuming snaps are ok, as to airframe stress? What > might be the best entry speed? I'm guessing around 90 to 110 mph. > > 2. I gather Vans has suggested rather firmly that we not engage in > recreational spins. Why not? Do some of you spin, anyway? What is the risk > factor? Aren't just two or three turns ok? > > 3. What about hammerheads? If the a/c allows them, safely, what are the > control movements? With my previous military trainer, it was full pwr, > straight up to just below stall, then full right rudder and simultaneous > full left aileron, followed by immediate full-forward stick, maintaining the > left bias. The trainer would then slowly pitch over, do a gentle half-roll, > and proceed straight down. I'm kind of missing that! > > 4. Is a tailslide (as in "a failed hammerhead") dangerous for the 6A - - > over-stressing? > > I'm getting a tad bored with rolls and loops. > Any sage advice would be appreciated. > > > thanks - Mark > > > ------------------------------ > New *MapQuest Local* shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, > Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > ! > > * > > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv6-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV6-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv6-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv6-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.