---------------------------------------------------------- RV6-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/06/09: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:53 AM - Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a (Apik) 2. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a (David Leonard) 3. 08:44 AM - Re: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a (Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)) 4. 09:56 AM - Re: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a (Robin Marks) 5. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a (David Leonard) 6. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a (David Cudney) 7. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a (Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)) 8. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a (Ron Lee) 9. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a (Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)) 10. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a (Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)) 11. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a (Charles Hohos) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:26 AM PST US Subject: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a From: "Apik" The RV-6 made its first flight in 1985. When all the flight testing was done, Van was delighted to find that despite the wide fuselage, it was only three miles per hour slower than the RV-4! The handling qualities and STOL characteristics were so close that a pilot who could not see the altered visual picture caused by sitting off the centerline probably could not tell the RV-4 and RV-6 apart. ...here is my info about RV 6A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228827#228827 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a From: David Leonard In light of the rash of bent nose gear and flipped-over aircraft I just cant understand any reason for wanting to switch to tri-gear. [suspend tailwheel bravado] The RV-aircraft have got to be some of the tamest tail-wheel aircraft ever made. IMHO, the only detractor is the reduced visibility during taxi which is not a big deal. Benifits include better looks, better rough field performance, and a slight edge in speed. [resume tailwheel bravado] Why would you ruin a perfictly good airplane with a training wheel? :-) -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Apik wrote: > > The RV-6 made its first flight in 1985. When all the flight testing was > done, Van was delighted to find that despite the wide fuselage, it was only > three miles per hour slower than the RV-4! The handling qualities and STOL > characteristics were so close that a pilot who could not see the altered > visual picture caused by sitting off the centerline probably could not tell > the RV-4 and RV-6 apart. ...here is my info about RV 6A > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228827#228827 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:22 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a From: "Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)" Too funny! However many bent nose gears there have been, there are only 2 kinds of tail wheel pilots. Those that have and those that will. (you know what I'm talking about) we have a local pilot that has 2 tail wheel aircraft and a tricycle gear bird. He ground looped one last fall and did the same with the other one a couple of weeks ago. So I think that I will continue my tricycle gear 6. Thank you very much. lol From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: Re: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a In light of the rash of bent nose gear and flipped-over aircraft I just cant understand any reason for wanting to switch to tri-gear. [suspend tailwheel bravado] The RV-aircraft have got to be some of the tamest tail-wheel aircraft ever made. IMHO, the only detractor is the reduced visibility during taxi which is not a big deal. Benifits include better looks, better rough field performance, and a slight edge in speed. [resume tailwheel bravado] Why would you ruin a perfictly good airplane with a training wheel? :-) -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Apik wrote: The RV-6 made its first flight in 1985. When all the flight testing was done, Van was delighted to find that despite the wide fuselage, it was only three miles per hour slower than the RV-4! The handling qualities and STOL characteristics were so close that a pilot who could not see the altered visual picture caused by sitting off the centerline probably could not tell the RV-4 and RV-6 apart. ...here is my info about RV 6A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228827#228827 Subscription, ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List ref="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com p; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:09 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a From: "Robin Marks" Bob, You will probably love the A version. I moved from a 4 to a 6A because I regularly fly into commercial airports and the thought of looping the plane and causing a commercial flight to have to go around regardless of zero damage to my aircraft was enough to make me look at the A's. Yes the TW models look cooler and are SLIGHTLY faster and cost more to insure (whoops) but landing an A even in difficult conditions is a dream. I often look like a genius laying down my 6A as clean as can be imagined. I never had that feeling in my TW. If you feel comfortable with a nose wheel (and your manhood) enjoy you're A model. Robin www.painttheweb.com/rv-4 (sold) www.painttheweb.com/RV-6A (500 hours) www.painttheweb.com/RV-10 (in Paint Now) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a From: David Leonard Yes, but how many *RV* aircraft do you know of that have groundlooped? Although I am sure there are many, I personally only know of 1. While I know of many flipped planes and bent nose forks. Perhaps it is because groundloops are usually relatively minor incidents that often don't make the RV news, but that is part of my point as well. Either way, Good luck David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk) < BSchroeder@rideuta.com> wrote: > Too funny! However many bent nose gears there have been, there are only 2 > kinds of tail wheel pilots. Those that have and those that will. (you know > what I'm talking about) we have a local pilot that has 2 tail wheel aircraft > and a tricycle gear bird. He ground looped one last fall and did the same > with the other one a couple of weeks ago. So I think that I will continue my > tricycle gear 6. Thank you very much. lol > > > *From:* owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *David Leonard > *Sent:* Friday, February 06, 2009 9:15 AM > *To:* rv6-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a > > > In light of the rash of bent nose gear and flipped-over aircraft I just > cant understand any reason for wanting to switch to tri-gear. [suspend > tailwheel bravado] The RV-aircraft have got to be some of the tamest > tail-wheel aircraft ever made. IMHO, the only detractor is the reduced > visibility during taxi which is not a big deal. Benifits include better > looks, better rough field performance, and a slight edge in speed. [resume > tailwheel bravado] > > > Why would you ruin a perfictly good airplane with a training wheel? :-) > > -- > David Leonard > > Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY > http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net > http://RotaryRoster.net > > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Apik wrote: > > > The RV-6 made its first flight in 1985. When all the flight testing was > done, Van was delighted to find that despite the wide fuselage, it was only > three miles per hour slower than the RV-4! The handling qualities and STOL > characteristics were so close that a pilot who could not see the altered > visual picture caused by sitting off the centerline probably could not tell > the RV-4 and RV-6 apart. ...here is my info about RV 6A > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228827#228827 > > > Subscription, > ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List" target="_blank"> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List > ref="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank"> > http://forums.matronics.com > p; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ==== > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > * > > -- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:24 AM PST US From: David Cudney Subject: Re: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a Have you checked the insurance rates for tail vs nose draggers???? Set aside the testosterone issue; let it drop. best wishes dave--(bet you guessed it) -RV7A, 55 hours and no ground loops or flip overs so far------------ On Feb 6, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk) wrote: > Too funny! However many bent nose gears there have been, there are > only 2 kinds of tail wheel pilots. Those that have and those that > will. (you know what I=92m talking about) we have a local pilot that > has 2 tail wheel aircraft and a tricycle gear bird. He ground looped > one last fall and did the same with the other one a couple of weeks > ago. So I think that I will continue my tricycle gear 6. Thank you > very much. lol > > From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of David Leonard > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:15 AM > To: rv6-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a > > In light of the rash of bent nose gear and flipped-over aircraft I > just cant understand any reason for wanting to switch to tri-gear. > [suspend tailwheel bravado] The RV-aircraft have got to be some of > the tamest tail-wheel aircraft ever made. IMHO, the only detractor > is the reduced visibility during taxi which is not a big deal. > Benifits include better looks, better rough field performance, and a > slight edge in speed. [resume tailwheel bravado] > > Why would you ruin a perfictly good airplane with a training > wheel? :-) > > -- > David Leonard > > Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY > http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net > http://RotaryRoster.net > > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Apik wrote: > > The RV-6 made its first flight in 1985. When all the flight testing > was done, Van was delighted to find that despite the wide fuselage, > it was only three miles per hour slower than the RV-4! The handling > qualities and STOL characteristics were so close that a pilot who > could not see the altered visual picture caused by sitting off the > centerline probably could not tell the RV-4 and RV-6 apart. ...here > is my info about RV 6A > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228827#228827 > > > Subscription, > ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List > ref="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > p; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ==== > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:25 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a From: "Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)" I will. I'm currently allowed to fly my buddy's 9a. it's a dream to fly and I've never had that good of landings in a piper or Cessna. It's just not fast enough compared to the 6 From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:55 AM Subject: RE: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a Bob, You will probably love the A version. I moved from a 4 to a 6A because I regularly fly into commercial airports and the thought of looping the plane and causing a commercial flight to have to go around regardless of zero damage to my aircraft was enough to make me look at the A's. Yes the TW models look cooler and are SLIGHTLY faster and cost more to insure (whoops) but landing an A even in difficult conditions is a dream. I often look like a genius laying down my 6A as clean as can be imagined. I never had that feeling in my TW. If you feel comfortable with a nose wheel (and your manhood) enjoy you're A model. Robin www.painttheweb.com/rv-4 (sold) www.painttheweb.com/RV-6A (500 hours) www.painttheweb.com/RV-10 (in Paint Now) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:09 AM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a Exactly, insurance rates will tell the truth. I know of one RV groundloop with damage at my airport but ZERO RV tri-gear incidents. I suspect that the fact is that the nose-overs are on unimproved landing areas. So stay off of them. Ron Lee Have you checked the insurance rates for tail vs nose draggers???? ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:37 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a From: "Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)" None. But one of the 2 was a harmon rocket. I did see the picture of a 7A that was caught mid fall standing on its nose in the grass. From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:04 AM Subject: Re: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a Yes, but how many RV aircraft do you know of that have groundlooped? Although I am sure there are many, I personally only know of 1. While I know of many flipped planes and bent nose forks. Perhaps it is because groundloops are usually relatively minor incidents that often don't make the RV news, but that is part of my point as well. Either way, Good luck David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk) wrote: Too funny! However many bent nose gears there have been, there are only 2 kinds of tail wheel pilots. Those that have and those that will. (you know what I'm talking about) we have a local pilot that has 2 tail wheel aircraft and a tricycle gear bird. He ground looped one last fall and did the same with the other one a couple of weeks ago. So I think that I will continue my tricycle gear 6. Thank you very much. lol From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: Re: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a In light of the rash of bent nose gear and flipped-over aircraft I just cant understand any reason for wanting to switch to tri-gear. [suspend tailwheel bravado] The RV-aircraft have got to be some of the tamest tail-wheel aircraft ever made. IMHO, the only detractor is the reduced visibility during taxi which is not a big deal. Benifits include better looks, better rough field performance, and a slight edge in speed. [resume tailwheel bravado] Why would you ruin a perfictly good airplane with a training wheel? :-) -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Apik wrote: The RV-6 made its first flight in 1985. When all the flight testing was done, Van was delighted to find that despite the wide fuselage, it was only three miles per hour slower than the RV-4! The handling qualities and STOL characteristics were so close that a pilot who could not see the altered visual picture caused by sitting off the centerline probably could not tell the RV-4 and RV-6 apart. ...here is my info about RV 6A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228827#228827 Subscription, ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List ref="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com p; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List a href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:15 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a From: "Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk)" The 9 that I have about 70 hours in is close to 200 total time and just a solid flyer. From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Cudney Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: Re: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a Have you checked the insurance rates for tail vs nose draggers???? Set aside the testosterone issue; let it drop. best wishes dave--(bet you guessed it) -RV7A, 55 hours and no ground loops or flip overs so far------------ On Feb 6, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk) wrote: Too funny! However many bent nose gears there have been, there are only 2 kinds of tail wheel pilots. Those that have and those that will. (you know what I'm talking about) we have a local pilot that has 2 tail wheel aircraft and a tricycle gear bird. He ground looped one last fall and did the same with the other one a couple of weeks ago. So I think that I will continue my tricycle gear 6. Thank you very much. lol From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: Re: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a In light of the rash of bent nose gear and flipped-over aircraft I just cant understand any reason for wanting to switch to tri-gear. [suspend tailwheel bravado] The RV-aircraft have got to be some of the tamest tail-wheel aircraft ever made. IMHO, the only detractor is the reduced visibility during taxi which is not a big deal. Benifits include better looks, better rough field performance, and a slight edge in speed. [resume tailwheel bravado] Why would you ruin a perfictly good airplane with a training wheel? :-) -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Apik wrote: The RV-6 made its first flight in 1985. When all the flight testing was done, Van was delighted to find that despite the wide fuselage, it was only three miles per hour slower than the RV-4! The handling qualities and STOL characteristics were so close that a pilot who could not see the altered visual picture caused by sitting off the centerline probably could not tell the RV-4 and RV-6 apart. ...here is my info about RV 6A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228827#228827 Subscription, ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List ref="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com p; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:45 AM PST US From: "Charles Hohos" Subject: Re: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a Please do not send these emails to the entire RV6-list. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk) To: rv6-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:34 Subject: RE: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a None. But one of the 2 was a harmon rocket. I did see the picture of a 7A that was caught mid fall standing on its nose in the grass. From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:04 AM To: rv6-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a Yes, but how many RV aircraft do you know of that have groundlooped? Although I am sure there are many, I personally only know of 1. While I know of many flipped planes and bent nose forks. Perhaps it is because groundloops are usually relatively minor incidents that often don't make the RV news, but that is part of my point as well. Either way, Good luck David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Schroeder, Bob (Parts Clerk) > wrote: Too funny! However many bent nose gears there have been, there are only 2 kinds of tail wheel pilots. Those that have and those that will. (you know what I'm talking about) we have a local pilot that has 2 tail wheel aircraft and a tricycle gear bird. He ground looped one last fall and did the same with the other one a couple of weeks ago. So I think that I will continue my tricycle gear 6. Thank you very much. lol From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:15 AM To: rv6-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV6-List: Re: Converting a 6 to a 6a In light of the rash of bent nose gear and flipped-over aircraft I just cant understand any reason for wanting to switch to tri-gear. [suspend tailwheel bravado] The RV-aircraft have got to be some of the tamest tail-wheel aircraft ever made. IMHO, the only detractor is the reduced visibility during taxi which is not a big deal. Benifits include better looks, better rough field performance, and a slight edge in speed. [resume tailwheel bravado] Why would you ruin a perfictly good airplane with a training wheel? :-) -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Apik > wrote: > The RV-6 made its first flight in 1985. When all the flight testing was done, Van was delighted to find that despite the wide fuselage, it was only three miles per hour slower than the RV-4! The handling qualities and STOL characteristics were so close that a pilot who could not see the altered visual picture caused by sitting off the centerline probably could not tell the RV-4 and RV-6 apart. ...here is my info about RV 6A Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228827#228827 Subscription, ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List ref="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com p; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comh ttp://www.matronics.com/contribution et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-Lista href="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com_blank">http://www.matronics .com/contribution -- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhtt p://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv6-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV6-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv6-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv6-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.