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1. 06:55 AM - Re: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?, which model? (FLYaDIVE)
2. 07:01 AM - Re: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?, which model? (FLYaDIVE)
3. 11:35 AM - Re: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?, which model? (HCRV6@comcast.net)
4. 04:30 PM - Re: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?, which model? (ray atkinson)
5. 06:09 PM - Re: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?, which model? (John Paul Noyes)
6. 07:26 PM - Re: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?, which model? (Dan Bergeron)
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| Subject: | Re: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?, which |
model?
Brett:
I know, I know ... Just bite the bullet and install a 360. IO-360 if it is
in the budget. Then all you have to consider is the prop. I fly both a
RV-6 and a 6A; Both have 360's the 6 has a constant speed prop. It does see
speeds about 6 Kts faster at the same RPM/Manifold Pressure. For cost, ease
of operation and maintenance go with the fixed pitch. If you fly a lot of
IFR the constant speed is very nice when maintaining an approach.
Also, with a fixed pitch ... NO AD's!
DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER THE 320. IT WILL LOWER YOUR RESALE VALUE. AND THE
COST SAVINGS UP FRONT WILL BE LOST IN MPH Vs GAS COST. <--- Well, maybe not
but you won't have the performance you would like.
Barry
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Colleen and Brett Herrick <
colleenandbrett@comcast.net> wrote:
> I am at the point in time where I need to order the Finishing Kit. But,
> in order to order the Finishing Kit I need to select which engine I am going
> to use (i.e. I would like to get further down the path before ordering the
> engine). So, I am seeking some input on which engine to select.
>
> My intention for my project is that I would like to be able to finish it
> for a reasonable cost and to minimize the ongoing operation / maintenance
> cost once it is flying. Because of this my plan is to install a fixed pitch
> propeller and desire leave the door open to running auto fuel. I am fine
> with the external scoop.
>
> When I look in Van's catalog, the carburetor version of the 0-320 and 0-360
> sell for essentially the same price. Any reason not to select the 0-360?
> The fuel injected 0-320 sells for essentially the same price as the
> carburetor version of the 0-360. Any reason to show preference for the fuel
> injected 0-320? Also, I am assuming that there is no reason to pay the
> extra cost for the certified version. Correct?
>
> Anything else that I should be considering?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Brett Herrick
> RV-6AQ Columbus, IN
>
>
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>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?, which |
model?
Brett:
One last item, I failed to address: NON-CERTIFIED - If you plan on keeping
the plane/engine for 2000 Hrs. If you plan on selling the engine separately
- You would not be doing that if you got the 360 in the first place - Then
the engine can be re-certified when being MAJOR'd by the factory. I don't
know the requirements if done else where.
Barry
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:54 AM, FLYaDIVE <flyadive@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brett:
>
> I know, I know ... Just bite the bullet and install a 360. IO-360 if it is
> in the budget. Then all you have to consider is the prop. I fly both a
> RV-6 and a 6A; Both have 360's the 6 has a constant speed prop. It does see
> speeds about 6 Kts faster at the same RPM/Manifold Pressure. For cost, ease
> of operation and maintenance go with the fixed pitch. If you fly a lot of
> IFR the constant speed is very nice when maintaining an approach.
> Also, with a fixed pitch ... NO AD's!
>
> DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER THE 320. IT WILL LOWER YOUR RESALE VALUE. AND THE
> COST SAVINGS UP FRONT WILL BE LOST IN MPH Vs GAS COST. <--- Well, maybe not
> but you won't have the performance you would like.
>
>
> Barry
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Colleen and Brett Herrick <
> colleenandbrett@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I am at the point in time where I need to order the Finishing Kit. But,
>> in order to order the Finishing Kit I need to select which engine I am going
>> to use (i.e. I would like to get further down the path before ordering the
>> engine). So, I am seeking some input on which engine to select.
>>
>> My intention for my project is that I would like to be able to finish it
>> for a reasonable cost and to minimize the ongoing operation / maintenance
>> cost once it is flying. Because of this my plan is to install a fixed pitch
>> propeller and desire leave the door open to running auto fuel. I am fine
>> with the external scoop.
>>
>> When I look in Van's catalog, the carburetor version of the 0-320 and
>> 0-360 sell for essentially the same price. Any reason not to select the
>> 0-360? The fuel injected 0-320 sells for essentially the same price as the
>> carburetor version of the 0-360. Any reason to show preference for the fuel
>> injected 0-320? Also, I am assuming that there is no reason to pay the
>> extra cost for the certified version. Correct?
>>
>> Anything else that I should be considering?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Brett Herrick
>> RV-6AQ Columbus, IN
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?, which |
model?
I decided on an O-360 A1A, carb, not fuel injection, and a Catto two blade prop
and have never regretted either decision Brett. I can keep up with any RV6/6A
or RV7/7A I have encountered so far and frequently do so with lower RPM, MAP
and fuel burn. Of course the constant speed guys out accelerate me on takeoff
and initial climb but I always catch them within a couple of miles. Sometimes
I think I would like fuel injection so I could play around with LOP operation,
but as it is I can easily cruise 160 knots at 8.0 to 8.5 gph so I can't really
justify the additional cost and complexity. My normal cross country cruise is
at 150 knots at 7.0 to 7.5 gph when leaned about 50 degrees rich of peak. Just
my $0.0005 worth .
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 655 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Colleen and Brett Herrick" <colleenandbrett@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:15:17 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: RV6-List: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?, which model?
I am at the point in time where I need to order the Finishing Kit. But, in order
to order the Finishing Kit I need to select which engine I am going to use (i.e.
I would like to get further down the path before ordering the engine). So,
I am seeking some input on which engine to select.
My intention for my project is that I would like to be able to finish it for a
reasonable cost and to minimize the ongoing operation / maintenance cost once
it is flying. Because of this my plan is to install a fixed pitch propeller and
desire leave the door open to running auto fuel. I am fine with the external
scoop.
When I look in Van's catalog, the carburetor version of the 0-320 and 0-360 sell
for essentially the same price. Any reason not to select the 0-360? The fuel
injected 0-320 sells for essentially the same price as the carburetor version
of the 0-360. Any reason to show preference for the fuel injected 0-320? Also,
I am assuming that there is no reason to pay the extra cost for the certified
version. Correct?
Anything else that I should be considering?
Thanks.
Brett Herrick
RV-6AQ Columbus, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?, which |
model?
I have some input on this I owned a 6-a with a 320 and a wood prop and
it worked great.This was the plane that Van designed.Light and fast.The
7 is van,s response to the overweight too fast for their own good planes
that everyone thought they needed.If your friend is pulling away from
you because his plane is slightly faster maybe he could throttle back a
few revs.These are really fine planes as designed but excess weight and
speed put you in the red zone when you blast through some rough air and
your heads banging on the canopy. I always took that as a message from
the plane to slow down 30 or 40 knots
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael O'Connor
To: rv6-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV6-List: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs.
0-360?, which model?
Brett,
I can only tell you from experience that I bought a 6A with an
O320E2A. The plane ran fine but I couldn't keep up with any of the RV's
that had 360's in them. It also made it harder to sell when I had to
sell it. Everyone wanted a 360. They loved my plane but didn't want the
engine. I vote for the O360.
Mike O'Connor
N811RF RV6A
From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colleen and
Brett Herrick
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:15 PM
To: rv6-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV6-List: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?,
which model?
I am at the point in time where I need to order the Finishing Kit.
But, in order to order the Finishing Kit I need to select which engine I
am going to use (i.e. I would like to get further down the path before
ordering the engine). So, I am seeking some input on which engine to
select.
My intention for my project is that I would like to be able to finish
it for a reasonable cost and to minimize the ongoing operation /
maintenance cost once it is flying. Because of this my plan is to
install a fixed pitch propeller and desire leave the door open to
running auto fuel. I am fine with the external scoop.
When I look in Van's catalog, the carburetor version of the 0-320 and
0-360 sell for essentially the same price. Any reason not to select the
0-360? The fuel injected 0-320 sells for essentially the same price as
the carburetor version of the 0-360. Any reason to show preference for
the fuel injected 0-320? Also, I am assuming that there is no reason to
pay the extra cost for the certified version. Correct?
Anything else that I should be considering?
Thanks.
Brett Herrick
RV-6AQ Columbus, IN
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| Subject: | Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?, which |
model?
Brett,
I am the proud owner of a RV6, 0360 and CS prop, I jump off the
runway and set cruse at 180 mph, this combination is great have put 200 hrs
on this plane and am glad for the 360 and CS, if I was to sacrifice either
the 360 or CS I would not give up the 360. My opinion is this is such a
huge investment for most of us, do it right, if you want less power pull the
little black knob back. For just cruising around in circles the combo I
have is more than I need and I will power back burning 5 gph but when I want
to get some where or it's hot and heavy the combo of 360 and CS is the way
to go.
JP
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[mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ray atkinson
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV6-List: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?,
which model?
I have some input on this I owned a 6-a with a 320 and a wood prop and it
worked great.This was the plane that Van designed.Light and fast.The 7 is
van,s response to the overweight too fast for their own good planes that
everyone thought they needed.If your friend is pulling away from you because
his plane is slightly faster maybe he could throttle back a few revs.These
are really fine planes as designed but excess weight and speed put you in
the red zone when you blast through some rough air and your heads banging on
the canopy. I always took that as a message from the plane to slow down 30
or 40 knots
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael <mailto:crashoconnor@aol.com> O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV6-List: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?,
which model?
Brett,
I can only tell you from experience that I bought a 6A with an O320E2A. The
plane ran fine but I couldn't keep up with any of the RV's that had 360's in
them. It also made it harder to sell when I had to sell it. Everyone wanted
a 360. They loved my plane but didn't want the engine. I vote for the O360.
Mike O'Connor
N811RF RV6A
From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colleen and Brett
Herrick
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:15 PM
Subject: RV6-List: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?, which
model?
I am at the point in time where I need to order the Finishing Kit. But, in
order to order the Finishing Kit I need to select which engine I am going to
use (i.e. I would like to get further down the path before ordering the
engine). So, I am seeking some input on which engine to select.
My intention for my project is that I would like to be able to finish it for
a reasonable cost and to minimize the ongoing operation / maintenance cost
once it is flying. Because of this my plan is to install a fixed pitch
propeller and desire leave the door open to running auto fuel. I am fine
with the external scoop.
When I look in Van's catalog, the carburetor version of the 0-320 and 0-360
sell for essentially the same price. Any reason not to select the 0-360?
The fuel injected 0-320 sells for essentially the same price as the
carburetor version of the 0-360. Any reason to show preference for the fuel
injected 0-320? Also, I am assuming that there is no reason to pay the
extra cost for the certified version. Correct?
Anything else that I should be considering?
Thanks.
Brett Herrick
RV-6AQ Columbus, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?, which |
model?
BRETT:
I HAVE AN RV-7A W/ A MATTITUCK, IO 360 (THE 180 H.P. VERSION) & A F/P
SENSENICH CRUISE PROP. MY WIFE AND I BUILT IT OURSELVES IN 6.5 YEARS. IT
FIRST FLEW ON 8/4/09 AND WE'VE PUT 90 HOURS ON IT SINCE. SO FAR - IT'S BEE
N
GREAT.
A FEW THINGS TO THINK ABOUT:
1. I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE W/ THE 320 BUT KNOW SEVERAL RV-6 BUILDERS WHO FLY
BEHIND A 320, AND THEY'RE FINE W/ IT. THE "7: WILL ALSO FLY OK W/ A 320,
AND SOME 7 BUILDERS HAVE USED THEM, BUT I'D GO W/ THE 360. I KNOW THE 320
WILL BURN MOGAS (AUTO FUEL) - BUT ONLY THE NON ETHANOL VARIETY - AND YOU
CAN'T HARDLY FIND ANY IN THIS AREA OF NEW ENGLAND. THE HANDWRITING IS ON
THE WALL RE NON-ETHANOL MOGAS AND 100LL AVGAS: IN NOT TOO MANY YEARS WE'LL
ALL BE BURNING 94 OCTANE UNLEADED AVGAS BECAUSE NON-ETHANOL MOGAS AND 100LL
AVGAS WILL BE EXTINCT. (GASOLINE BURNING GA AIRPLANES ARE THE ONLY
TRANSPORTATION MACHINES IN THE COUNTRY STILL PUMPING LEAD INTO THE
ATMOSPHERE - POLITICALLY (AMONG OTHER REASONS) THIS IS BECOMING
INCREASINGLY UNSUSTAINABLE.)
2. ON A RECENT (ADMITTEDLY COLD) MORNING (+10F) I WENT FROM 383' MSL TO
4500' MSL IN TWO MINUTES AND A BIT, AND THAT WAS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO A MAX
PERFORMANCE CLIMB. IN CRUISE FLIGHT AT 2300 RPM AND LEANED TO 50 DEGREES
L.O.P. I'M SEEING 141 KTS TAS AND BURNING 7.4 GPH. DROP THE RPM TO 2200 AN
D
50 DEGREES LOP AND YOU'LL STILL BE DOING 130 KTS AND A BIT AND BURNING
AROUND 6.5 GPH. THESE SPEEDS ARE WITH ALL GEAR LEG AND INTERSECTION
FAIRINGS AND WHEEL PANTS INSTALLED. REMEMBER - YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION
OF THROTTLING BACK A BIT TO SAVE FUEL - THE 180 HORSES ARE THERE IF YOU NEE
D
THEM, VERY USEFUL IN A CLIMB AND IF YOU NEED TO KEEP UP W/ SOMEONE.
3. I'D GO WITH A F/P PROP, UNLESS YOU'RE GONG TO OPERATE ROUTINELY OUT OF
HIGH ELEVATION AIRPORTS. THE C/P PROP ADDS WEIGHT, COMPLEXITY AND EXPENSE.
SOME FOLKS CLAIM THE F/P SENSENICH CRUISE PROP IS A TAD MORE EFFICIENT IN
CRUISE THAN THE C/P PROP. (I WOULDN'T KNOW - HAVING HAD NO EXPERIENCE W/
C/P PROPS IN RVS.) YOU ALSO WANT TO REMEMBER THAT WOODEN PROPS DON'T DO
WELL FLYING IN THE RAIN. THEY ERODE.
4. RESALE VALUE OF AN RV-7 IS USUALLY GOING TO BE BETTER W/ A 360 THAN A
320.
5. RE 6 VS 7: THE 6 IS A FINE AIRPLANE, AND I HAVE NOTHING BUT ADMIRATION
FOR FOLKS WHO'VE BUILT THEM, BUT THE 7 IS JUST A LOT EASIER TO BUILD - IT'S
ALL MATCHED HOLE CONSTRUCTION - YOU DON'T NEED A JIG AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO
SPEND HOURS AND HOURS LINING UP AND SPACING RIVET HOLES. BRING THE PIECES
TOGETHER, PUT IN SOME CLECOS, AND MOVE ON - NOT ONCE DID WE HAVE HOLES THAT
FAILED TO LINE UP. THE 7 IS ALSO A TINY BIT WIDER THAN THE 6, IT HAS A
BIGGER RUDDER, IT STANDS TALLER ON THE GEAR, CARRIES MORE, AND OF COURSE
IT'LL EASILY TAKE THE BIGGER ENGINE.
6. IT'S ALL UP TO YOU - YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT KIND OF FLYING YOU WANT TO
DO, AND OPTIMIZE YOUR AIRPLANE ACCORDINGLY. IN OUR CASE WE TRICKED IT OUT
FOR LONG X/C FLIGHTS, VFR OR IFR, DAY OR NIGHT (COM & NAV SYSTEMS, SLAVED
TWO-AXIS A/P, FUEL CAPACITY) AND HAVE FOUND IT TO BE A GREAT TRAVELLING
MACHINE. IT'S VERSATILE, FAST, HANDLES WELL IN THE PATTERN, IS RESPONSIVE,
STABLE, CLIMBS WELL, CLIMBS HIGH, HAS GREAT RANGE CAPABILITY AND TAKES THE
BUMPS WELL.
THE ONE THING I'D TELL YOU FOR CERTAIN - IF YOU INTEND TO DO A LOT OF X/C
FLYING - PUT IN AN A/P. I'VE FLOWN IT X/C W/ AND W/O THE A/P AND IT'S JUST
ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE EASIER, MORE RELAXING, MORE ENJOYABLE, AND SAFER W/ THE
A/P.
HOPE THIS HELPS,
DAN BERGERON
RV-7A, N307TB, SPERO II
90 HOURS SINCE FIRST FLIGHT 8/4/09
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 7:29 PM, ray atkinson <raybot@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have some input on this I owned a 6-a with a 320 and a wood prop and i
t
> worked great.This was the plane that Van designed.Light and fast.The 7 is
> van,s response to the overweight too fast for their own good planes that
> everyone thought they needed.If your friend is pulling away from you beca
use
> his plane is slightly faster maybe he could throttle back a few revs.Thes
e
> are really fine planes as designed but excess weight and speed put you in
> the red zone when you blast through some rough air and your heads banging
on
> the canopy. I always took that as a message from the plane to slow down 3
0
> or 40 knots
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Michael O'Connor <crashoconnor@aol.com>
> *To:* rv6-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:26 PM
> *Subject:* RE: RV6-List: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs.
> 0-360?, which model?
>
> Brett,
>
> I can only tell you from experience that I bought a 6A with an O320E2A. T
he
> plane ran fine but I couldn=92t keep up with any of the RV=92s that had 3
60=92s in
> them. It also made it harder to sell when I had to sell it. Everyone want
ed
> a 360. They loved my plane but didn=92t want the engine. I vote for the O
360.
>
> Mike O=92Connor
>
> N811RF RV6A
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Colleen and Brett
> Herrick
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:15 PM
> *To:* rv6-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV6-List: Input Needed on Engine Selection: 0-320 vs. 0-360?,
> which model?
>
>
> I am at the point in time where I need to order the Finishing Kit. But,
in
> order to order the Finishing Kit I need to select which engine I am going
to
> use (i.e. I would like to get further down the path before ordering the
> engine). So, I am seeking some input on which engine to select.
>
>
> My intention for my project is that I would like to be able to finish it
> for a reasonable cost and to minimize the ongoing operation / maintenance
> cost once it is flying. Because of this my plan is to install a fixed pi
tch
> propeller and desire leave the door open to running auto fuel. I am fine
> with the external scoop.
>
>
> When I look in Van's catalog, the carburetor version of the 0-320 and 0-3
60
> sell for essentially the same price. Any reason not to select the 0-360?
> The fuel injected 0-320 sells for essentially the same price as the
> carburetor version of the 0-360. Any reason to show preference for the f
uel
> injected 0-320? Also, I am assuming that there is no reason to pay the
> extra cost for the certified version. Correct?
>
>
> Anything else that I should be considering?
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Brett Herrick
>
> RV-6AQ Columbus, IN
>
>
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