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1. 09:48 AM - Re: Anyone here? (HCRV6@comcast.net)
2. 10:04 AM - PMag (Robin Marks)
3. 10:36 AM - Re: (now) P-Mags (Konrad/Conny)
4. 10:41 AM - Re: PMag (Phil N)
5. 10:41 AM - Re: PMag (Konrad/Conny)
6. 10:59 AM - Re: PMag (Matt Dralle)
7. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: (now) P-Mags (Phil N)
8. 11:28 AM - Re: PMag (Konrad/Conny)
9. 11:39 AM - Re: Re: PMag (Konrad/Conny)
10. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: (now) P-Mags (Konrad/Conny)
11. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: (now) P-Mags (Phil N)
12. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: (now) P-Mags (Konrad/Conny)
13. 12:52 PM - Re: PMag (Phil N)
14. 01:04 PM - Re: PMag (Konrad/Conny)
15. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: (now) P-Mags (HCRV6@comcast.net)
16. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: (now) P-Mags (Robin Marks)
17. 10:40 PM - Re: Re: (now) P-Mags (Konrad/Conny)
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HI Konrad,
Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More and more of them
are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks like they may have
worked through those early problems . I remain somewhat cautious but thinking
about starting with one and see how it goes.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
Hi Harry,
Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething problems in
the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all?
Konrad
do not archive
On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours and counting)
but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply if a question comes
up that I can help with.
BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about putting together
group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested when I saw it but
I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me who it was
and how to get in touch with him, Thanks.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad/Conny" < klwerner@comcast.net >
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 10:41:32 AM
Subject: RV6-List: Anyone here?
Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I
rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus...
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I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A based on
some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in years
of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6
cylinder version.
Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags but I
would never run two Light speed either.
Robin
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owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *HCRV6@comcast.net
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*To:* rv6-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
HI Konrad,
Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More and more
of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks like they
may have worked through those early problems. I remain somewhat cautious
but thinking about starting with one and see how it goes.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
Hi Harry,
Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all?
Konrad
do not archive
On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours and
counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply if a
question comes up that I can help with.
BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about putting
together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested when I
saw it but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone could tell
me who it was and how to get in touch with him, Thanks.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 10:41:32 AM
Subject: RV6-List: Anyone here?
Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I
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Hi Harry,
I think running a P-Mag or one LSE in addition to one Magneto would be
a conservative solution. However, I would feel pretty darn safe behind
DUAL LSE's or P-Mags, as long as they are powered individually...
Electronics have been around for a while, and they can be made nearly
fail safe. Magneto's are certainly not fail safe either. Use
whatever lets you sleep at night ;-)
Konrad
On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:44 AM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
> HI Konrad,
>
> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More
> and more of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it
> looks like they may have worked through those early problems. I
> remain somewhat cautious but thinking about starting with one and
> see how it goes.
>
> Harry Crosby
> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
> To: rv6-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>
> Hi Harry,
>
> Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
> problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it
> all?
>
> Konrad
>
>
> do not archive
>
> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
>
> I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours
> and counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and
> reply if a question comes up that I can help with.
>
> BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about
> putting together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was
> interested when I saw it but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate
> it if anyone could tell me who it was and how to get in touch with
> him, Thanks.
>
> Harry Crosby
> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
> To: rv6-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 10:41:32 AM
> Subject: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>
>
> Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I
> rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus...
>
>
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My -4 had a Pmag and an Emag when I bought it. I recently had the Pmag rebuilt
and the the Emag converted to a Pmag. Hope to have it back in the air in a few
weeks.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
To:<rv6-list@matronics.com>
Cc:
Subject: RV6-List: PMag
I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A based on some recommendations
of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in years of use. I
plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6 cylinder version.
Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags but I would
never run two Light speed either.
Robin
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Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
To:rv6-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
HI Konrad,
Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More and more of them
are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks like they may have
worked through those early problems. I remain somewhat cautious but thinking
about starting with one and see how it goes.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
Hi Harry,
Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething problems in
the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all?
Konrad
do not archive
On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours and counting)
but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply if a question comes
up that I can help with.
BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about putting together
group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested when I saw it
but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me who it
was and how to get in touch with him, Thanks.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
To:rv6-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 10:41:32 AM
Subject: RV6-List: Anyone here?
Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I
rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus...
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Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?
I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and the
competing LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well as
fuel savings?
I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with not a
Magneto, but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic
ignitions?
Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI
systems would be mixed on one engine??? Hmm...?
Konrad
On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
> I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A
> based on some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no
> issues in years of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they
> finally release the 6 cylinder version.
> Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags
> but I would never run two Light speed either.
>
> Robin
>
> From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of HCRV6@comcast.net
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
> To: rv6-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>
> HI Konrad,
>
> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More
> and more of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it
> looks like they may have worked through those early problems. I
> remain somewhat cautious but thinking about starting with one and
> see how it goes.
>
> Harry Crosby
> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
> To: rv6-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>
> Hi Harry,
>
> Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
> problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it
> all?
>
> Konrad
>
>
> do not archive
>
> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
>
> I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours
> and counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and
> reply if a question comes up that I can help with.
>
> BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about
> putting together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was
> interested when I saw it but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate
> it if anyone could tell me who it was and how to get in touch with
> him, Thanks.
>
> Harry Crosby
> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
> To: rv6-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 10:41:32 AM
> Subject: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>
>
> Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I
> rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus...
>
>
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I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week. They look pretty cool, but the web
site really makes no mention of whether there's any real performance/economy
benefit to them. Does anyone have any real world experience along these lines?
I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390. If I dumped $2200 on a pair of
P-Mags, would I really notice any difference? The IO-390 already starts and runs
great. More power and better economy are always welcome, though...
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?
>
>I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and the competing
LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well as fuel savings?
>
>I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with not a Magneto,
but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic ignitions?
>
>Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI systems
would be mixed on one engine??? Hmm...?
>
>Konrad
>
>
>On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
>>I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A based on some
recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in years of use.
I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6 cylinder version.
>>Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags but I would
never run two Light speed either.
>>
>>
>>Robin
>>
>>
>>From: <mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of <mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
>>To: <mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>
>>
>>HI Konrad,
>>
>>Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More and more of
them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks like they may have
worked through those early problems. I remain somewhat cautious but thinking
about starting with one and see how it goes.
>>
>>Harry Crosby
>>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Konrad/Conny" <<mailto:klwerner@comcast.net>klwerner@comcast.net>
>>To: <mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>
>>Hi Harry,
>>
>>
>>Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething problems
in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all?
>>
>>
>>Konrad
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, <mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours and counting)
but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply if a question
comes up that I can help with.
>>
>>BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about putting together
group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested when I saw it
but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me who it
was and how to get in touch with him, Thanks.
>>
>>Harry Crosby
>>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
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FWIW - I learned something by reading the EmagAir manual. The Pmag, with the built-in alternator, self-powers at all times unless the RPM of the engine falls below the threshold where it can do so. Thus, instead of being concerned about a continuous 1A drain from the power source (battery in the case of an alternator out condition), as long as you are in cruise condition the mags are not a factor. I agree with the 'individually powered' statement, and am adding a small 7AH battery to my system, will power one mag from the main battery and the other from the backup. (see AEC diagrams http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/Z10-8A1.pdfhttp://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/Z10-8A2.pdf ) Unfortunately in my case I can't fit a backup alternator/dynamo so will have two batteries and a single alternator.
----- Original Message -----
From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner@comcast.net>
To:<rv6-list@matronics.com>
Cc:
Subject: RV6-List: Re: (now) P-Mags
Hi Harry,
I think running a P-Mag or one LSE in addition to one Magneto would be a conservative
solution. However, I would feel pretty darn safe behind DUAL LSE's or P-Mags,
as long as they are powered individually... Electronics have been around
for a while, and they can be made nearly fail safe. Magneto's are certainly
not fail safe either. Use whatever lets you sleep at night ;-)
Konrad
On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:44 AM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
HI Konrad,
Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More and more of them
are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks like they may have
worked through those early problems. I remain somewhat cautious but thinking
about starting with one and see how it goes.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
To:rv6-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
Hi Harry,
Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething problems in
the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all?
Konrad
do not archive
On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM,HCRV6@comcast.netwrote:
I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours and counting)
but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply if a question comes
up that I can help with.
BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about putting together
group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested when I saw it
but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me who it
was and how to get in touch with him, Thanks.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
To:rv6-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 10:41:32 AM
Subject: RV6-List: Anyone here?
Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I
rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus...
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Well, I guess that speaks for itself about your happiness with the E/P-
Mags... How much time was on your P-mag before the rebuild?
Konrad
On Mar 9, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Phil N wrote:
> My -4 had a Pmag and an Emag when I bought it. I recently had the
> Pmag rebuilt and the the Emag converted to a Pmag. Hope to have it
> back in the air in a few weeks.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robin Marks <Robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
> To: <rv6-list@matronics.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Wednesday, March 9 2011 01:12 PM
> Subject: RV6-List: PMag
> I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A
> based on some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no
> issues in years of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they
> finally release the 6 cylinder version.
> Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags
> but I would never run two Light speed either.
>
> Robin
>
> From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of HCRV6@comcast.net
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
> To: rv6-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>
> HI Konrad,
>
> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More and
> more of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it
> looks like they may have worked through those early problems. I
> remain somewhat cautious but thinking about starting with one and
> see how it goes.
>
> Harry Crosby
> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
> To: rv6-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>
> Hi Harry,
>
> Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
> problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it
> all?
>
> Konrad
>
>
> do not archive
>
> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
>
> I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours
> and counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and
> reply if a question comes up that I can help with.
>
> BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about
> putting together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was
> interested when I saw it but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate
> it if anyone could tell me who it was and how to get in touch with
> him, Thanks.
>
> Harry Crosby
> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
> To: rv6-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 10:41:32 AM
> Subject: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>
>
> Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I
> rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus...
>
>
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Well Matt,
If you want more performance by adding Dual EI's, then you can't
really go wrong with Klaus Savier's LSE-II or -III's, but I do not
know if the P-Mags are performing equally as well in that department.
Konrad
On Mar 9, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week. They look pretty cool,
> but the web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real
> performance/economy benefit to them. Does anyone have any real
> world experience along these lines?
>
> I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390. If I dumped $2200 on
> a pair of P-Mags, would I really notice any difference? The IO-390
> already starts and runs great. More power and better economy are
> always welcome, though...
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do...
>
>
> At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011 Wednesday, you wrote:
>> Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version?
>>
>> I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and
>> the competing LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as
>> well as fuel savings?
>>
>> I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with
>> not a Magneto, but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant
>> electronic ignitions?
>>
>> Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing
>> EI systems would be mixed on one engine??? Hmm...?
>>
>> Konrad
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>>> I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A
>>> based on some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had
>>> no issues in years of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they
>>> finally release the 6 cylinder version.
>>> Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two
>>> PMags but I would never run two Light speed either.
>>>
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>> From: <mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:<mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com>owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com
>>> ] On Behalf Of <mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM
>>> To: <mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>>
>>> HI Konrad,
>>>
>>> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More
>>> and more of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far
>>> it looks like they may have worked through those early problems.
>>> I remain somewhat cautious but thinking about starting with one
>>> and see how it goes.
>>>
>>> Harry Crosby
>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Konrad/Conny" <<mailto:klwerner@comcast.net>klwerner@comcast.net
>>> >
>>> To: <mailto:rv6-list@matronics.com>rv6-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>>
>>> Hi Harry,
>>>
>>>
>>> Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/
>>> teething problems in the few years that I was not paying much
>>> attention to it all?
>>>
>>>
>>> Konrad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, <mailto:HCRV6@comcast.net>HCRV6@comcast.net
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours
>>> and counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time
>>> and reply if a question comes up that I can help with.
>>>
>>> BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about
>>> putting together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was
>>> interested when I saw it but I am rethinking it. I would
>>> appreciate it if anyone could tell me who it was and how to get in
>>> touch with him, Thanks.
>>>
>>> Harry Crosby
>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
>
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Phil,
You can't add the little SD-8 alternator (by B&C) on your vacuum pad?
I think that little alternator is just perfect either as a back up.
But then, the SD-8 is actully all that I am planning on using on my
future airplane (which will not have much electric drain either)...
But then, I also plan on a small 5-7AH (Ignition only!) battery just
in case. That should do the trick and is light weight too.
Konrad
On Mar 9, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Phil N wrote:
> FWIW - I learned something by reading the EmagAir manual. The Pmag,
> with the built-in alternator, self-powers at all times unless the
> RPM of the engine falls below the threshold where it can do so.
> Thus, instead of being concerned about a continuous 1A drain from
> the power source (battery in the case of an alternator out
> condition), as long as you are in cruise condition the mags are not
> a factor. I agree with the 'individually powered' statement, and am
> adding a small 7AH battery to my system, will power one mag from the
> main battery and the other from the backup. (see AEC diagrams http://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/Z10-8A1.pdfhttp://www.aeroelectric.com/PPS/Adobe_Architecture_Pdfs/Z10-8A2.pdf
> ) Unfortunately in my case I can't fit a backup alternator/dynamo
> so will have two batteries and a single alternator.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Konrad/Conny <klwerner@comcast.net>
> To: <rv6-list@matronics.com>
> Cc:
> Date: Wednesday, March 9 2011 01:47 PM
> Subject: RV6-List: Re: (now) P-Mags
> Hi Harry,
>
> I think running a P-Mag or one LSE in addition to one Magneto would
> be a conservative solution. However, I would feel pretty darn safe
> behind DUAL LSE's or P-Mags, as long as they are powered
> individually... Electronics have been around for a while, and they
> can be made nearly fail safe. Magneto's are certainly not fail safe
> either. Use whatever lets you sleep at night ;-)
>
> Konrad
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:44 AM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
>
>> HI Konrad,
>>
>> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More
>> and more of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it
>> looks like they may have worked through those early problems. I
>> remain somewhat cautious but thinking about starting with one and
>> see how it goes.
>>
>> Harry Crosby
>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
>> To: rv6-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>
>> Hi Harry,
>>
>> Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
>> problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to
>> it all?
>>
>> Konrad
>>
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours
>> and counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time
>> and reply if a question comes up that I can help with.
>>
>> BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about
>> putting together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was
>> interested when I saw it but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate
>> it if anyone could tell me who it was and how to get in touch with
>> him, Thanks.
>>
>> Harry Crosby
>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
>> To: rv6-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 10:41:32 AM
>> Subject: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>>
>>
>> Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I
>> rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV6-List
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Tried, it won't fit - bumps engine mount. I have an O320 narrow deck (conical
mount). It will fit on the O360 wide deck for certain as I talked to several
people that have that config and are running the SD8
> You can't add the little SD-8 alternator (by B&C) on your vacuum pad? I think
that little alternator is just perfect either as a back up. But then, the SD-8
is actully all that I am planning on using on my future airplane (which will
not have much electric drain either)... But then, I also plan on a small 5-7AH
(Ignition only!) battery just in case. That should do the trick and is light
weight too.
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Bummer... but then a small dedicated backup battery will do the trick
to provide enough ignition energy to find a suitable landing spot in
case of a total electrical failure (?). Unless things go really
wrong, remember that you still have the main battery too for that same
purpose ;-)
Konrad
On Mar 9, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Phil N wrote:
> Tried, it won't fit - bumps engine mount. I have an O320 narrow deck
> (conical mount). It will fit on the O360 wide deck for certain as I
> talked to several people that have that config and are running the SD8
>
>
> > You can't add the little SD-8 alternator (by B&C) on your vacuum
> pad? I think that little alternator is just perfect either as a back
> up. But then, the SD-8 is actully all that I am planning on using on
> my future airplane (which will not have much electric drain
> either)... But then, I also plan on a small 5-7AH (Ignition only!)
> battery just in case. That should do the trick and is light weight
> too.
>
>
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I will have to check the logs, not absolutely certain. Since I was already sending
the emag for an upgrade to pmag, I decided to send the pmag for a cleaning
and inspection. Good thing I did, Brad found an issue with it that needed
to be addressed (user induced, not a defect). I can't say enough about how nice
he has been to deal with.
I am also switching from aircraft plugs to auto (NGK) plugs, and installing EmagAir's
harness.
> Well, I guess that speaks for itself about your happiness with the E/P-Mags...
How much time was on your P-mag before the rebuild?
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Thank you for the info... Sounds like a good product with great
customer support after all is said and done!
On Mar 9, 2011, at 1:50 PM, Phil N wrote:
> I will have to check the logs, not absolutely certain. Since I was
> already sending the emag for an upgrade to pmag, I decided to send
> the pmag for a cleaning and inspection. Good thing I did, Brad found
> an issue with it that needed to be addressed (user induced, not a
> defect). I can't say enough about how nice he has been to deal with.
>
> I am also switching from aircraft plugs to auto (NGK) plugs, and
> installing EmagAir's harness.
>
>
> > Well, I guess that speaks for itself about your happiness with the
> E/P-Mags... How much time was on your P-mag before the rebuild?
>
>
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Konrad,
I agree with you about electronics but my understanding is that most if not all
of the P-Mag/E-Mag early teething problems were actually mechanical in nature.
I may be wrong.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 10:30:36 AM
Subject: RV6-List: Re: (now) P-Mags
Hi Harry,
I think running a P-Mag or one LSE in addition to one Magneto would be a conservative
solution. However, I would feel pretty darn safe behind DUAL LSE's or P-Mags,
as long as they are powered individually... Electronics have been around
for a while, and they can be made nearly fail safe. Magneto's are certainly
not fail safe either. Use whatever lets you sleep at night ;-)
Konrad
On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:44 AM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
HI Konrad,
Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More and more of them
are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks like they may have
worked through those early problems. I remain somewhat cautious but thinking
about starting with one and see how it goes.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad/Conny" < klwerner@comcast.net >
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
Hi Harry,
Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething problems in
the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all?
Konrad
do not archive
On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours and counting)
but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply if a question comes
up that I can help with.
BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about putting together
group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested when I saw it but
I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me who it was
and how to get in touch with him, Thanks.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad/Conny" < klwerner@comcast.net >
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 10:41:32 AM
Subject: RV6-List: Anyone here?
Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I
rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus...
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As described to me there was a magnet or something held with epoxy that when
the unit became hot moved, shifted or in some way changed the function of
the unit to then fire something like 180 degrees out of phase.
This is how it was described to me.
Robin
Do Not Archive
*From:* owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *HCRV6@comcast.net
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:07 PM
*To:* rv6-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV6-List: Re: (now) P-Mags
Konrad,
I agree with you about electronics but my understanding is that most if not
all of the P-Mag/E-Mag early teething problems were actually mechanical in
nature. I may be wrong.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 10:30:36 AM
Subject: RV6-List: Re: (now) P-Mags
Hi Harry,
I think running a P-Mag or one LSE in addition to one Magneto would be a
conservative solution. However, I would feel pretty darn safe behind DUAL
LSE's or P-Mags, as long as they are powered individually... Electronics
have been around for a while, and they can be made nearly fail safe.
Magneto's are certainly not fail safe either. Use whatever lets you sleep
at night ;-)
Konrad
On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:44 AM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
HI Konrad,
Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More and more
of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks like they
may have worked through those early problems. I remain somewhat cautious
but thinking about starting with one and see how it goes.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
Hi Harry,
Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all?
Konrad
do not archive
On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours and
counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply if a
question comes up that I can help with.
BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about putting
together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested when I
saw it but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone could tell
me who it was and how to get in touch with him, Thanks.
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 10:41:32 AM
Subject: RV6-List: Anyone here?
Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I
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Dear Harry,
I don't remember anymore what kind of problems they had back then, but
I think they took care of whatever it was by now... There won't be
any progress in life unless there are risk takers who'd go the extra
mile to come up with something new :-)
Konrad
do not archive
On Mar 9, 2011, at 7:06 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
> Konrad,
>
> I agree with you about electronics but my understanding is that most
> if not all of the P-Mag/E-Mag early teething problems were actually
> mechanical in nature. I may be wrong.
>
> Harry Crosby
> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
> To: rv6-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 10:30:36 AM
> Subject: RV6-List: Re: (now) P-Mags
>
> Hi Harry,
>
> I think running a P-Mag or one LSE in addition to one Magneto would
> be a conservative solution. However, I would feel pretty darn safe
> behind DUAL LSE's or P-Mags, as long as they are powered
> individually... Electronics have been around for a while, and they
> can be made nearly fail safe. Magneto's are certainly not fail safe
> either. Use whatever lets you sleep at night ;-)
>
> Konrad
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:44 AM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
>
> HI Konrad,
>
> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More
> and more of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it
> looks like they may have worked through those early problems. I
> remain somewhat cautious but thinking about starting with one and
> see how it goes.
>
> Harry Crosby
> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
> To: rv6-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM
> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>
> Hi Harry,
>
> Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething
> problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it
> all?
>
> Konrad
>
>
> do not archive
>
> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote:
>
> I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours
> and counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and
> reply if a question comes up that I can help with.
>
> BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about
> putting together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was
> interested when I saw it but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate
> it if anyone could tell me who it was and how to get in touch with
> him, Thanks.
>
> Harry Crosby
> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net>
> To: rv6-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 10:41:32 AM
> Subject: RV6-List: Anyone here?
>
>
> Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I
> rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus...
>
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