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1. 05:55 AM - Re: Seats and belts -Drain holes (Scott Trask)
2. 06:23 AM - Fuel Senders (Skykingjfg@AOL.com)
3. 06:25 AM - Re: Seats and belts -Drain holes (Stein Bruch)
4. 06:59 AM - Re: inch pound torque wrench (ARJames@comcast.net)
5. 08:02 AM - Re: inch pound torque wrench (Wayne Halbsgut)
6. 08:58 AM - Resistance Fuel Gauge Sender (flyseaplane)
7. 09:05 AM - Lightweight Carpet (flyseaplane)
8. 09:07 AM - Re: inch pound torque wrench (ARJames@comcast.net)
9. 06:24 PM - N555JN Pics! (Stein Bruch)
10. 08:24 PM - Trim servo clearance problem (Wayne Halbsgut)
11. 09:05 PM - Re: Resistance Fuel Gauge Sender (Cliff Lotter)
12. 09:22 PM - Re: Trim servo clearance problem (Cliff Lotter)
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| Subject: | Re: Seats and belts -Drain holes |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Scott Trask <sctrask@diisd.org>
on 12/29/02 9:49 PM, Stein Bruch at stein@steinair.com wrote:
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Regarding seats/seat belts, the archives should be full of info, since these
> issues comes up about every couple of months.
>
> About your floors, Personally I see no need to put skins over the floor.
> Just lots of extra work, extra weight, and overall a pain. I've seen people
> do it, but haven't seen a good benefit by doing it. I (along with a large
> majority) have some insulation the thickness of the stiffners with a nice
> layer of carpet over everything. Works great, easy to remove for
> inspections, and fuel resistant.
>
> Not to sound fecicous, but if you end up with a leak bad enough to erode the
> styrofoam, you've got bigger problems than that. Believe me, even the
> tiniest seep will give off enough odor to make you fix it ASAP. As usual,
> just my opinion.
>
> Cheers,
> Stein Bruch, Minneapolis
> RV6/N664SB-flying.
> RV7/N2YU-Empennage.
>
> Do Not Archive.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Trask
> To: RV7 List
> Subject: RV7-List: Seats and belts -Drain holes
>
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: Scott Trask <sctrask@diisd.org>
>
> Hi
> What's out there for seats and seat belts? Just started to look.
>
> Have an idea for those who are assembling the belly skins. I have placed a
> number of fuel fittings down the center inside on my set up. Chances are
> that a small leak may occur. I'm placing Styrofoam on the floor with skins
> on top of that. Styrofoam and gas do not get along. So I'm making a seal
> around the stiffeners with drain holes. You may want to think about putting
> a little permatex seal between the stiffeners and the belly skins.
> Scott 7A at IMT
Hi Stein
Thanks for the info. I did my floor already it turned ok I'm pleased with
it. Will be flying in the winter looking to keeping the feet warm. For
what I have in it for weight a piece of carpet would weigh more. Do you fly
in the winter much? Does the floor get real cold in your RV6?
Scott Trask IMT
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--> RV7-List message posted by: Skykingjfg@aol.com
I just bought 2 of the resistive type from Van's for my RV7. I picked the
cheap way out because I will be installing a fuel flow meter/totalizer.
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| Subject: | Seats and belts -Drain holes |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Hi Scott,
Well....Let's see. I live in the "frozen tundra" of the great nort
(Minneapolis, Minnesota), although not quite as far north as you "YUPERS"!
Several weeks ago the air temp at altitude was -13oF and -9oF on the ground.
Today our high is supposed to be in the 20's with snow later in the week.
My plane is parked on a grass strip that is still covered with snow.
Anyway, my point is I fly whenever practical although it's just not fun when
it's below zero. I have to tape off at least half of the air inlets, and my
oil cooler plate has been installed since October. I only have one heat
muff, and except for the coldest days, I can fly in a sweatshirt. My floor
seems fine, there's two layers of insulation under carpet and my entire
cockpit area is insulated from the firewall to the back of the baggage
compartment bulkhead. I guess the only thing I might do is add another heat
muff for the "really" cold days. Also have a sump heater to keep the oil
moving, and try to heat my hangar up a few degrees when I go flying.
Overall these are fine planes, and if you seal all the leaks on the canopy
you'll be ok. I've flown in RV's up here with no interior and they can get
kind of cold, as long as heat is blasting in there it's not too awful bad!
FYI, my carpet isn't household carpet, but VERY lightweight 1/4" automotive
carpet. I can guarantee you it weighs less than a piece of .032", as I
checked before I installed it. I do have two "kick plates" riveted onto it
under the rudder pedals though. The thing about the carpet is it seems to
help cut the noise and vibration in that area.
Good luck and happy building!
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
Do Not Archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Trask
Hi Stein
Thanks for the info. I did my floor already it turned ok I'm pleased with
it. Will be flying in the winter looking to keeping the feet warm. For
what I have in it for weight a piece of carpet would weigh more. Do you fly
in the winter much? Does the floor get real cold in your RV6?
Scott Trask IMT
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| Subject: | Re: inch pound torque wrench |
--> RV7-List message posted by: ARJames@comcast.net
Hi Cliff,
I tried the Avery torque wrench, but I had problems detecting the
click and ended up snapping my bolts in half. I was concerned about over
torgueing the bolts, to the point where they were stretched and failing at a
later, not so convenient time. Not feeling comfortable with the wrench, I
returned it and bought an adjustable torque-limiting screwdriver having a
range from 2 to 36 in/lbs, which I really like. With it I bought a 1/4" Hex
Male x 1/4"sq male insert adapter so I can use it with a socket set. The
screwdriver (some call it a nutdriver) is on the expensive side $170, but
I'm just starting and wanted a good tool I could trust, and figure I will
get a lot of use out of it. I found mine at http://www.mcmaster.com/.
Good luck,
Allan James
Michigan RV-7A Emp
----- Original Message -----
From: "rv8driver" <rv8tor@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV7-List: inch pound torque wrench
> --> RV7-List message posted by: rv8driver <rv8tor@comcast.net>
>
> I found an inch/pound 1/4" torque wrench that goes from 5-50 in/lbs at
Enco (http://www.use-enco.com search for "torque wrench"). It's expensive
though...$99.
>
> I too have had trouble finding a torque wrench that go low enough for us.
>
> Cheers,
> Kevin
>
>
> On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:52:06 +0200, Cliff Lotter wrote:
> >-->RV7-List message posted by: "Cliff Lotter" <exodus@gds.co.za>
> >
> >I suppose I could do that but having the right tool leaves no margin for
> >error--11 pm and not realising that your concentration levels are not
what
> >they should be. By the way, I have automotive torque wrenches but they
dont
> >go that low. Now finished empenage and moving on to wings.
> >Cliff Lotter
> >South Africa
> >Do not archive
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> >To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: RV7-List: inch pound torque wrench
> >
> >
> >>-->RV7-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> >>
> >>Why not convert the numbers to what you need for your metric wrench?
> >>
> >>Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
> >>
> >>Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> >>cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
> >>
> >>Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Cliff Lotter" <exodus@gds.co.za>
> >>To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
> >>Subject: RV7-List: inch pound torque wrench
> >>
> >>
> >>>-->RV7-List message posted by: "Cliff Lotter" <exodus@gds.co.za>
> >>>
> >>>Nearly finished emp. I need to buy an inch pound torque and as our
> >country
> >>is metricated I will have to import. does anybody have an opinion on the
> >>torque wrench supplied by Avery - the picture does not look to good and
I
> >>have had my share of junk tools.
> >>>Cliff Lotter
> >>>South Africa
> >>>do not archive
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: inch pound torque wrench |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Wayne Halbsgut <halbsgut@comcast.net>
Allan,
I purchased the same torque wrench shown in the Avery catalog #2432, only I
paid $35 at a local tool store. I'm surprised you couldn't feel the click.
My wrench gives a good solid click, much more definitive than my FT-LB
wrench. I find it hard to believe that Avery would offer something that is
not suitable for aircraft use (all of their other tools are top notch).
Maybe you had a defective wrench.
Wayne
Perkasie, PA
RV-7A
----- Original Message -----
From: <ARJames@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV7-List: inch pound torque wrench
> --> RV7-List message posted by: ARJames@comcast.net
>
> Hi Cliff,
>
> I tried the Avery torque wrench, but I had problems detecting the
> click and ended up snapping my bolts in half. I was concerned about over
> torgueing the bolts, to the point where they were stretched and failing at
a
> later, not so convenient time. Not feeling comfortable with the wrench, I
> returned it and bought an adjustable torque-limiting screwdriver having a
> range from 2 to 36 in/lbs, which I really like. With it I bought a 1/4"
Hex
> Male x 1/4"sq male insert adapter so I can use it with a socket set. The
> screwdriver (some call it a nutdriver) is on the expensive side $170, but
> I'm just starting and wanted a good tool I could trust, and figure I will
> get a lot of use out of it. I found mine at http://www.mcmaster.com/.
>
> Good luck,
> Allan James
> Michigan RV-7A Emp
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rv8driver" <rv8tor@comcast.net>
> To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: inch pound torque wrench
>
>
> > --> RV7-List message posted by: rv8driver <rv8tor@comcast.net>
> >
> > I found an inch/pound 1/4" torque wrench that goes from 5-50 in/lbs at
> Enco (http://www.use-enco.com search for "torque wrench"). It's
expensive
> though...$99.
> >
> > I too have had trouble finding a torque wrench that go low enough for
us.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:52:06 +0200, Cliff Lotter wrote:
> > >-->RV7-List message posted by: "Cliff Lotter" <exodus@gds.co.za>
> > >
> > >I suppose I could do that but having the right tool leaves no margin
for
> > >error--11 pm and not realising that your concentration levels are not
> what
> > >they should be. By the way, I have automotive torque wrenches but they
> dont
> > >go that low. Now finished empenage and moving on to wings.
> > >Cliff Lotter
> > >South Africa
> > >Do not archive
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> > >To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Re: RV7-List: inch pound torque wrench
> > >
> > >
> > >>-->RV7-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> > >>
> > >>Why not convert the numbers to what you need for your metric wrench?
> > >>
> > >>Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
> > >>
> > >>Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> > >>cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
> > >>
> > >>Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Cliff Lotter" <exodus@gds.co.za>
> > >>To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
> > >>Subject: RV7-List: inch pound torque wrench
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>-->RV7-List message posted by: "Cliff Lotter" <exodus@gds.co.za>
> > >>>
> > >>>Nearly finished emp. I need to buy an inch pound torque and as our
> > >country
> > >>is metricated I will have to import. does anybody have an opinion on
the
> > >>torque wrench supplied by Avery - the picture does not look to good
and
> I
> > >>have had my share of junk tools.
> > >>>Cliff Lotter
> > >>>South Africa
> > >>>do not archive
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Resistance Fuel Gauge Sender |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "flyseaplane" <flyseaplane@netzero.net>
Cliff - make a mock up of the fuel tank (cardboard box) and mount the sender
on it. Use an ohmmeter to measure resistance as you move the float up and
down inside your mock fuel tank. Will that work?????
> They mention the exact resistance for full and empty in the builders
manual,
> unfortunately I dont have the manual in front of me to advise.
> Cliff
---------------------------------------------
1st month Free!
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| Subject: | Lightweight Carpet |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "flyseaplane" <flyseaplane@netzero.net>
Stein Bruch,
Thanks for the heads up on the lightweight carpet. Where did you source
yours from? Is it very thick at all, something more like heavy felt??
Happy Building all,
Lincoln Schlecht
---------------------------------------------
1st month Free!
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| Subject: | Re: inch pound torque wrench |
--> RV7-List message posted by: ARJames@comcast.net
Wayne,
I've also found all of their other tools to be great. I've bought most
of them from Avery. Maybe my torque wrench was defective, but I had heard
of others with the same problem, and didn't want to wait for a replacement
just to find out I might have the same problem.
Do not archive
Allan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Halbsgut" <halbsgut@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV7-List: inch pound torque wrench
> --> RV7-List message posted by: Wayne Halbsgut <halbsgut@comcast.net>
>
> Allan,
> I purchased the same torque wrench shown in the Avery catalog #2432, only
I
> paid $35 at a local tool store. I'm surprised you couldn't feel the
click.
> My wrench gives a good solid click, much more definitive than my FT-LB
> wrench. I find it hard to believe that Avery would offer something that
is
> not suitable for aircraft use (all of their other tools are top notch).
> Maybe you had a defective wrench.
>
> Wayne
> Perkasie, PA
> RV-7A
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ARJames@comcast.net>
> To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: inch pound torque wrench
>
>
> > --> RV7-List message posted by: ARJames@comcast.net
> >
> > Hi Cliff,
> >
> > I tried the Avery torque wrench, but I had problems detecting the
> > click and ended up snapping my bolts in half. I was concerned about
over
> > torgueing the bolts, to the point where they were stretched and failing
at
> a
> > later, not so convenient time. Not feeling comfortable with the wrench,
I
> > returned it and bought an adjustable torque-limiting screwdriver having
a
> > range from 2 to 36 in/lbs, which I really like. With it I bought a 1/4"
> Hex
> > Male x 1/4"sq male insert adapter so I can use it with a socket set.
The
> > screwdriver (some call it a nutdriver) is on the expensive side $170,
but
> > I'm just starting and wanted a good tool I could trust, and figure I
will
> > get a lot of use out of it. I found mine at http://www.mcmaster.com/.
> >
> > Good luck,
> > Allan James
> > Michigan RV-7A Emp
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rv8driver" <rv8tor@comcast.net>
> > To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV7-List: inch pound torque wrench
> >
> >
> > > --> RV7-List message posted by: rv8driver <rv8tor@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > I found an inch/pound 1/4" torque wrench that goes from 5-50 in/lbs at
> > Enco (http://www.use-enco.com search for "torque wrench"). It's
> expensive
> > though...$99.
> > >
> > > I too have had trouble finding a torque wrench that go low enough for
> us.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:52:06 +0200, Cliff Lotter wrote:
> > > >-->RV7-List message posted by: "Cliff Lotter" <exodus@gds.co.za>
> > > >
> > > >I suppose I could do that but having the right tool leaves no margin
> for
> > > >error--11 pm and not realising that your concentration levels are not
> > what
> > > >they should be. By the way, I have automotive torque wrenches but
they
> > dont
> > > >go that low. Now finished empenage and moving on to wings.
> > > >Cliff Lotter
> > > >South Africa
> > > >Do not archive
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> > > >To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: RV7-List: inch pound torque wrench
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>-->RV7-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> > > >>
> > > >>Why not convert the numbers to what you need for your metric wrench?
> > > >>
> > > >>Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh
> > > >>
> > > >>Editor, EAA Safety Programs
> > > >>cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
> > > >>
> > > >>Always looking for articles for the Experimenter
> > > >>
> > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>From: "Cliff Lotter" <exodus@gds.co.za>
> > > >>To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
> > > >>Subject: RV7-List: inch pound torque wrench
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>-->RV7-List message posted by: "Cliff Lotter" <exodus@gds.co.za>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Nearly finished emp. I need to buy an inch pound torque and as our
> > > >country
> > > >>is metricated I will have to import. does anybody have an opinion on
> the
> > > >>torque wrench supplied by Avery - the picture does not look to good
> and
> > I
> > > >>have had my share of junk tools.
> > > >>>Cliff Lotter
> > > >>>South Africa
> > > >>>do not archive
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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"Rv-List" <rv-list@matronics.com>
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Hi Guys,
Just received a couple of photos from Jim Norman of his completed (and
recently flying) airplane.
Take a look at a beautiful airplane.
Pics at: http://www.steinair.com/jn
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Trim servo clearance problem |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Wayne Halbsgut <halbsgut@comcast.net>
I am installing the electric elevator trim servo in the elevator and have run into
the following problem. I riveted the two brackets that hold the servo, to
the cover plate. When I attempt to install the servo, the bottom edge of the
servo hits the rivets before the servo flange mates to the brackets.
Has anyone else had this problem and what have you done about it?
Thanks
Wayne Halbsgut
Perkasie, PA
RV-7A Empennage 90%
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| Subject: | Re: Resistance Fuel Gauge Sender |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Cliff Lotter" <exodus@gds.co.za>
I would rather do the test on the actual tanks before I close them up.
Regards
Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: "flyseaplane" <flyseaplane@netzero.net>
Subject: RV7-List: Resistance Fuel Gauge Sender
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "flyseaplane" <flyseaplane@netzero.net>
>
> Cliff - make a mock up of the fuel tank (cardboard box) and mount the
sender
> on it. Use an ohmmeter to measure resistance as you move the float up and
> down inside your mock fuel tank. Will that work?????
>
>
> > They mention the exact resistance for full and empty in the builders
> manual,
> > unfortunately I dont have the manual in front of me to advise.
> > Cliff
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> 1st month Free!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim servo clearance problem |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Cliff Lotter" <exodus@gds.co.za>
I have just finished mine and had a similar problem. All I did was sqeeze
the rivets more, the servo just touches the rivets but the servo is flush on
the bracket.
Regards Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Halbsgut" <halbsgut@comcast.net>
Subject: RV7-List: Trim servo clearance problem
> --> RV7-List message posted by: Wayne Halbsgut <halbsgut@comcast.net>
>
> I am installing the electric elevator trim servo in the elevator and have
run into the following problem. I riveted the two brackets that hold the
servo, to the cover plate. When I attempt to install the servo, the bottom
edge of the servo hits the rivets before the servo flange mates to the
brackets.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem and what have you done about it?
>
>
> Thanks
> Wayne Halbsgut
> Perkasie, PA
> RV-7A Empennage 90%
>
>
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