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1. 01:26 AM - Re: EFIS (jgburns)
2. 05:40 AM - Re: EFIS (Jerry Carter)
3. 06:21 AM - Re: EFIS & IFR (Dana Overall)
4. 01:20 PM - [ Henry Hore ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
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--> RV7-List message posted by: "jgburns" <jgburns@comcast.net>
It appears that Jerry may be legally flying under IFRs, while Bret might be "doing
the right thing" - seeking a DAR's permission (no doubt he'll be armed with
all of the great input from this discussion!).
"To each their own."
My point is that when it comes to doubts about government regulations, there are
two options: seek permission up front, or forgiveness if you're challenged by
authorities. I have significant (career) experience trying both. IMO, there's
no right or wrong answer to the question, "should I push the system or comply
to questionable interpretation to the 'rules'?" Just assess the consequences
of both and pick a path.
For those that are considering Jerry's position (I'm leaning that way):
I imagine that one could get into an ugly legal battle if they're "caught" in the
wrong place/time. Remember Bob Hoover's medical revocation and subsequent legal
mess? It was eventually decided in his favor, but what did it take? He had
Phil Boyer and Tom Poberezny and the full weight of their respective organizations
in his corner. We probably wouldn't be that fortunate.
If you get caught/challenged, it may require more than a copy of the FARs to defend
your position. If a DAR challenges you on the ramp, the appropriate mix of
knowledge, assertiveness and respect will go a long way to peacefully resolving
such a confrontation (which is really unlikely unless you wreck the plane).
Unsolicited advice: If that should happen, don't hand over the ignition key,
airworthiness certificate, or your license/medical unless someone has a gun
pointed at your head!
I think this discussion thread has been interesting - thanks!
John Burns, Albuquerque
7A QB (presently going slow)
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--> RV7-List message posted by: Jerry Carter <jcarter8@midsouth.rr.com>
As long as we live in a country governed by the rule of law (as opposed
to the Taliban or something similar), I will take my chances doing what
is legal. I don't believe that it is "pushing the system" if one simply
complies with what is written in black and white for all of us.
Jerry Carter
On Saturday, September 27, 2003, at 03:25 AM, jgburns wrote:
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "jgburns" <jgburns@comcast.net>
>
> It appears that Jerry may be legally flying under IFRs, while Bret
> might be "doing the right thing" - seeking a DAR's permission (no
> doubt he'll be armed with all of the great input from this
> discussion!).
>
> "To each their own."
>
> My point is that when it comes to doubts about government regulations,
> there are two options: seek permission up front, or forgiveness if
> you're challenged by authorities. I have significant (career)
> experience trying both. IMO, there's no right or wrong answer to the
> question, "should I push the system or comply to questionable
> interpretation to the 'rules'?" Just assess the consequences of both
> and pick a path.
>
> For those that are considering Jerry's position (I'm leaning that way):
> I imagine that one could get into an ugly legal battle if they're
> "caught" in the wrong place/time. Remember Bob Hoover's medical
> revocation and subsequent legal mess? It was eventually decided in
> his favor, but what did it take? He had Phil Boyer and Tom Poberezny
> and the full weight of their respective organizations in his corner.
> We probably wouldn't be that fortunate.
>
> If you get caught/challenged, it may require more than a copy of the
> FARs to defend your position. If a DAR challenges you on the ramp, the
> appropriate mix of knowledge, assertiveness and respect will go a long
> way to peacefully resolving such a confrontation (which is really
> unlikely unless you wreck the plane). Unsolicited advice: If that
> should happen, don't hand over the ignition key, airworthiness
> certificate, or your license/medical unless someone has a gun pointed
> at your head!
>
> I think this discussion thread has been interesting - thanks!
>
> John Burns, Albuquerque
> 7A QB (presently going slow)
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--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>The DAR's I've talked to say that they will not let a experimental glass
>cockpit go for IFR...But maybe in the next year or so I can convince them
>of the errors in their way....
>
>
>Bret
>N997RV
>
Other than the non issue of a Dynon satisfying the required equipment regs.,
the "issue" of the DAR signing off your RV IFR is another misnomer. You
will only initially be signed off for VFR flight no matter how extensive
your panel is equipped. The airplane must be flown to perform the required
testing of the installed IFR equipment, such as my Garmin 430. No minor or
major alterations need to be performed and as I have said before, I can
legally install, test and sign off the install for IFR operations. Don't
make such a big deal out of a non issue, your DAR is not going to sign you
off for IFR anyway, that will be the responsibility of you the builder.
I won't be trying to hide anything on my inspection but I'll not even bring
up the subject of IFR as that does not fall into the scope of the DARs
inspection. It is not his business personnally, by regs or by law. He may
state his personal opinions, but that is all they are opinions. Give me the
VFR ticket, then I am responsible personnally, by regs and by law.
Put the stuff in and bring on the ramp check.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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