---------------------------------------------------------- RV7-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/16/03: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:09 PM - Extra holes in spar? (Ryan Severance) 2. 03:59 PM - Re: Extra holes in spar? (Dan Checkoway) 3. 04:07 PM - Tools () 4. 04:45 PM - SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Re: Tools (Francis, David CMDR) 5. 05:00 PM - Re: Tools (David Taylor) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:52 PM PST US From: "Ryan Severance" Subject: RV7-List: Extra holes in spar? --> RV7-List message posted by: "Ryan Severance" RV-7 slow build wing. I am nearing completion of my 2nd wing, and I haven't seen the need for some of the pre-punched holes in the spar. In 3 locations, there is a 2 hole pattern. One hole is .28" and the other is .12". The holes are .82" apart. These numbers are very rough estimates. Are these holes used for anything? Do not archive yet. Thanks, Ryan Severance Fargo, ND RV-7 closing wings ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:59:29 PM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV7-List: Extra holes in spar? --> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" The spar is about 10' long...what location are you talkin' bout here? do not archive )_( Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Severance" Subject: RV7-List: Extra holes in spar? > --> RV7-List message posted by: "Ryan Severance" > > > RV-7 slow build wing. > > I am nearing completion of my 2nd wing, and I haven't seen the need for some > of the pre-punched holes in the spar. In 3 locations, there is a 2 hole > pattern. One hole is .28" and the other is .12". The holes are .82" apart. > These numbers are very rough estimates. Are these holes used for > anything? > > Do not archive yet. > > Thanks, > Ryan Severance > Fargo, ND > RV-7 closing wings > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:08 PM PST US From: Subject: RV7-List: Tools --> RV7-List message posted by: I checked the archives and read all there is about air drills and rivet guns. I was hoping I could pick your brains about this. Drills: Is a reversable drill just nice to have or does it really come in handy? Is there a minimum RPM that you have looked for? Rivet Guns: It seems the general concensus on the archives is that a 2X or 3X will work, especially on the Quick build type kits. Is there a reason to lean towards one type or the other? Do the Sioux type (higher end) models really make a difference? I don't want to spend a fortune on tools, but would rather get a good tool once then to buy several over time. I would appreciate any advice. Thanks in advance, John Brunke ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:28 PM PST US From: "Francis, David CMDR" Subject: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED RE: RV7-List: Tools --> RV7-List message posted by: "Francis, David CMDR" John, My advice on tools - don't try to save money, just buy the best. An RV has about 15000 hoes to drill and rivets to pound. Cheap tools are harder to use, cause damage, hurt your hands (tendonitis and repetition strain) and are not value for money. Rivet guns - a 3X is bigger and heavier and therefore more stable and easier to use than a 2X that will jump around more,, but will be acceptable. Your choice. A 4X is so big and heavy as to be unusable. Drills - for thin sheet metal a high rpm is needed for the neatest round holes, for heavier stuff like spars and 1/8 angle slower revs are needed. A teasing trigger is essential on any drill. My best is a 5000rpm Shinano with teasing trigger. Recommended. My cheap 1900rpm is good for heavy stuff but has a coarse and hard to use trigger. I should have paid more to get a teasing trigger slow drill. Reversing is not at all useful, I rarely use the feature on my slow drill. Get an electric screwdriver to deal with the many screws in the fuselage. It is wise to spend a fortune on tools, you will have a better plane and fewer hand injuries. Regards, David Francis, Canberra, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: jwbrunk@attglobal.net [mailto:jwbrunk@attglobal.net] Sent: Friday, 17 October 2003 09:07 To: rv7-list@matronics.com Subject: RV7-List: Tools --> RV7-List message posted by: I checked the archives and read all there is about air drills and rivet guns. I was hoping I could pick your brains about this. Drills: Is a reversable drill just nice to have or does it really come in handy? Is there a minimum RPM that you have looked for? Rivet Guns: It seems the general concensus on the archives is that a 2X or 3X will work, especially on the Quick build type kits. Is there a reason to lean towards one type or the other? Do the Sioux type (higher end) models really make a difference? I don't want to spend a fortune on tools, but would rather get a good tool once then to buy several over time. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:14 PM PST US From: "David Taylor" Subject: Re: RV7-List: Tools --> RV7-List message posted by: "David Taylor" John, I'm not too far into my kit but I will share my experience. I bought a reversible drill from Harbor Freight and it was working fine. I have yet to use the reversible mode so I personally think it's just nice to have. Maybe others can comment on the reversible part. I went to the Sportair workshop recently and played a little with a Sioux drill. There is a huge difference between the two. The Sioux drill is much lighter and has extremely good trigger control. The teasing trigger is awesome. Since I'm building an RV-6A and don't have all of the nice pilot holes that the -7 and -9 have I felt I needed a good drill. I then bought the Sioux 3600 rpm (model 1412) non-reversible drill from The Yard for $189.00 (retails for $225 at Avery) and have not regretted it. I need to be thrifty when it comes to buying things but I feel like I got my moneys worth. Just my 02 cents. -David Taylor Warner Robins, GA RV-6A Empennage/Wings ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: RV7-List: Tools > --> RV7-List message posted by: > > I checked the archives and read all there is about air drills and rivet guns. I was hoping I could pick your brains about this. > > Drills: Is a reversable drill just nice to have or does it really come in handy? Is there a minimum RPM that you have looked for? > > Rivet Guns: It seems the general concensus on the archives is that a 2X or 3X will work, especially on the > Quick build type kits. Is there a reason to lean towards one > type or the other? > Do the Sioux type (higher end) models really make a difference? > > I don't want to spend a fortune on tools, but would rather get a good tool once then to buy several over time. > > I would appreciate any advice. > > Thanks in advance, > John Brunke > >