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1. 04:43 AM - Re: Any substitute for RTV on rudder stiffners (Jim Brown)
2. 05:34 AM - Re: Any substitute for RTV on rudder stiffners (Charles Becker)
3. 10:51 AM - Re: Any substitute for RTV on rudder stiffners (Stein Bruch)
4. 10:54 AM - Re: Any substitute for RTV on rudder stiffners ()
5. 01:30 PM - 2003 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Any substitute for RTV on rudder stiffners |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
I have been following this thread about Silicone to use on the rudder. Silicone
is flexible, how is that going to hold the rudder rigid so that it can be back
riveted?
Jim Brown
RV 7A
"Charles L. Cotton" wrote:
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Charles L. Cotton" <charles@cottonfamily.com>
>
> Allen:
> I'm not sure about substitutes, but most all auto parts stores
> carry Permatex "Blue RTV Silicone" in tubes that are about the perfect size
> for the stiffners.
>
> Chas.
>
> At 07:08 PM 10/30/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >--> RV7-List message posted by: "Allen Fulmer" <afulmer@charter.net>
> >
> >About to close up the rudder skin and don't have any proseal or RTV. Is
> >there an acceptable substitute available at the local hardware store or
> >Walmart?
> >
> >RV7
> >N808AF reserved
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any substitute for RTV on rudder stiffners |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Charles Becker" <ctbecker@charter.net>
I understand that the silicone is to prevent vibration while flying and has
nothing to do with the riveting as it is not used until the rudder about to
be closed.
I must admit that I did read somewhere else about putting a small amount of
proseal/RTV between the stiffener and the skin to reduce vibration.
Charles Becker
N474CB - RV8A
Empennage
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Brown" <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Any substitute for RTV on rudder stiffners
> --> RV7-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>
> I have been following this thread about Silicone to use on the rudder.
Silicone
> is flexible, how is that going to hold the rudder rigid so that it can be
back
> riveted?
>
> Jim Brown
> RV 7A
>
> "Charles L. Cotton" wrote:
>
> > --> RV7-List message posted by: "Charles L. Cotton"
<charles@cottonfamily.com>
> >
> > Allen:
> > I'm not sure about substitutes, but most all auto parts stores
> > carry Permatex "Blue RTV Silicone" in tubes that are about the perfect
size
> > for the stiffners.
> >
> > Chas.
> >
> > At 07:08 PM 10/30/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > >--> RV7-List message posted by: "Allen Fulmer" <afulmer@charter.net>
> > >
> > >About to close up the rudder skin and don't have any proseal or RTV.
Is
> > >there an acceptable substitute available at the local hardware store or
> > >Walmart?
> > >
> > >RV7
> > >N808AF reserved
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Any substitute for RTV on rudder stiffners |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
The RTV/Silicone WAS for vibration on the rudders/elevators/ailerons with
the closed Trailing Edges. This is not the purpose on the rudders and
elevators with the riveted T/E's. In the flight controls with the closed
T/E's, vibration many times resulted in a crack in the last hole of the
stiffner. With the new T/E's, the "gunk" is used to assist the builder in
keeping the edge straight for riveting.
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6's, Minneapolis
http://www.steinair.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charles Becker
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Any substitute for RTV on rudder stiffners
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Charles Becker" <ctbecker@charter.net>
I understand that the silicone is to prevent vibration while flying and has
nothing to do with the riveting as it is not used until the rudder about to
be closed.
I must admit that I did read somewhere else about putting a small amount of
proseal/RTV between the stiffener and the skin to reduce vibration.
Charles Becker
N474CB - RV8A
Empennage
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Brown" <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Any substitute for RTV on rudder stiffners
> --> RV7-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
>
> I have been following this thread about Silicone to use on the rudder.
Silicone
> is flexible, how is that going to hold the rudder rigid so that it can be
back
> riveted?
>
> Jim Brown
> RV 7A
>
> "Charles L. Cotton" wrote:
>
> > --> RV7-List message posted by: "Charles L. Cotton"
<charles@cottonfamily.com>
> >
> > Allen:
> > I'm not sure about substitutes, but most all auto parts stores
> > carry Permatex "Blue RTV Silicone" in tubes that are about the perfect
size
> > for the stiffners.
> >
> > Chas.
> >
> > At 07:08 PM 10/30/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > >--> RV7-List message posted by: "Allen Fulmer" <afulmer@charter.net>
> > >
> > >About to close up the rudder skin and don't have any proseal or RTV.
Is
> > >there an acceptable substitute available at the local hardware store or
> > >Walmart?
> > >
> > >RV7
> > >N808AF reserved
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any substitute for RTV on rudder stiffners |
--> RV7-List message posted by: <tgreene5@cinci.rr.com>
Is not, is too, is not. :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Subject: RE: RV7-List: Any substitute for RTV on rudder stiffners
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
>
> The RTV/Silicone WAS for vibration on the rudders/elevators/ailerons with
> the closed Trailing Edges. This is not the purpose on the rudders and
> elevators with the riveted T/E's. In the flight controls with the closed
> T/E's, vibration many times resulted in a crack in the last hole of the
> stiffner. With the new T/E's, the "gunk" is used to assist the builder in
> keeping the edge straight for riveting.
>
> Cheers,
> Stein Bruch
> RV6's, Minneapolis
>
> http://www.steinair.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charles Becker
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Any substitute for RTV on rudder stiffners
>
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Charles Becker" <ctbecker@charter.net>
>
> I understand that the silicone is to prevent vibration while flying and
has
> nothing to do with the riveting as it is not used until the rudder about
to
> be closed.
> I must admit that I did read somewhere else about putting a small amount
of
> proseal/RTV between the stiffener and the skin to reduce vibration.
>
> Charles Becker
> N474CB - RV8A
> Empennage
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Brown" <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
> To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Any substitute for RTV on rudder stiffners
>
>
> > --> RV7-List message posted by: Jim Brown <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>
> >
> > I have been following this thread about Silicone to use on the rudder.
> Silicone
> > is flexible, how is that going to hold the rudder rigid so that it can
be
> back
> > riveted?
> >
> > Jim Brown
> > RV 7A
> >
> > "Charles L. Cotton" wrote:
> >
> > > --> RV7-List message posted by: "Charles L. Cotton"
> <charles@cottonfamily.com>
> > >
> > > Allen:
> > > I'm not sure about substitutes, but most all auto parts
stores
> > > carry Permatex "Blue RTV Silicone" in tubes that are about the perfect
> size
> > > for the stiffners.
> > >
> > > Chas.
> > >
> > > At 07:08 PM 10/30/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> > > >--> RV7-List message posted by: "Allen Fulmer" <afulmer@charter.net>
> > > >
> > > >About to close up the rudder skin and don't have any proseal or RTV.
> Is
> > > >there an acceptable substitute available at the local hardware store
or
> > > >Walmart?
> > > >
> > > >RV7
> > > >N808AF reserved
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | 2003 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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