---------------------------------------------------------- RV7-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/06/03: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:27 AM - Contemplating Rv-7 Build.. (Jeff Williams) 2. 03:49 AM - Re: Contemplating Rv-7 Build.. (Curt Hoffman) 3. 05:06 AM - Re: Contemplating Rv-7 Build.. (Jim Nolan) 4. 05:33 AM - Re: Contemplating Rv-7 Build.. (Burton Loewen) 5. 08:55 AM - Re: RV7-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/05/03 (JoBobSC@AOL.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:12 AM PST US From: Jeff Williams Subject: RV7-List: Contemplating Rv-7 Build.. --> RV7-List message posted by: Jeff Williams Hey guys- My father and I are thinking about taking on an RV-7 quick build.. I am going to continue to train in our 172 then move to the RV after it is built.. I was just wondering if any of you could point me to a few websites that would tell me where we might go to take a few classes or whatever is needed to build the quick build kit.. Also, the Van's site states a quick build kit can be built in 500-800 hours, how realistic is this quote? I know alot will depend on how often we can work on it.. This will be our first homebuilt aircraft. I've been told by many who have built them that it is VERY similar to building an R/C airplane, which I do for some "side money." Anyhow, we'd like to know where to "start." Also, one question we do have is on the spar, do many of you reccomend doing it yourself or buying the prefabbed spar offered on the van's website? My dad isn't so sure he wants to rivet the spar together since he's never really rivetted anything in his life. :D I think from what I've heard we should have no problems with the build, but just thought I'd ask you guys!! Thanks alot!! Jeff ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:34 AM PST US From: "Curt Hoffman" Subject: Re: RV7-List: Contemplating Rv-7 Build.. --> RV7-List message posted by: "Curt Hoffman" The spars are all prebuilt. The option to rivet your own spar is not an option for the 7/7A. It was for the 4 and 6, maybe for the 8 (I'm not sure) but is not for the 7 and 9. This is true whether you get the quick build or not. If you read the web site for the 7 you will see that the prebuilt spar is standard. There are several classes on riveting including the EAA Sportair classes and several listed on Vans site. Most of us have learned by doing and having some other builders around to guide. If you do as many do, get the tail first and work on that. Get some scrap aluminum and practice making holes and riveting and then work on the smaller pieces. You'll ruin a couple and order new ones and then be on your way. The classes can certainly speed up the process and boost confidence though I'm sure. They have the classes where you can go and build the tail in a week and take it home. That combined with the quickbuild would get you in the air in a hurry. Curt Hoffman RV-9A wings done for now- working on tail Quick build fuselage now in basement Piper Cherokee N5320W 1974 TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Williams" Subject: RV7-List: Contemplating Rv-7 Build.. > --> RV7-List message posted by: Jeff Williams > > Hey guys- > > My father and I are thinking about taking on an RV-7 quick build.. I am > going to continue to train in our 172 then move to the RV after it is > built.. I was just wondering if any of you could point me to a few websites > that would tell me where we might go to take a few classes or whatever is > needed to build the quick build kit.. Also, the Van's site states a quick > build kit can be built in 500-800 hours, how realistic is this quote? I know > alot will depend on how often we can work on it.. > > This will be our first homebuilt aircraft. I've been told by many who have > built them that it is VERY similar to building an R/C airplane, which I do > for some "side money." Anyhow, we'd like to know where to "start." > > Also, one question we do have is on the spar, do many of you reccomend doing > it yourself or buying the prefabbed spar offered on the van's website? My > dad isn't so sure he wants to rivet the spar together since he's never > really rivetted anything in his life. :D > > I think from what I've heard we should have no problems with the build, but > just thought I'd ask you guys!! > > Thanks alot!! > > Jeff > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:05 AM PST US From: "Jim Nolan" Subject: Re: RV7-List: Contemplating Rv-7 Build.. --> RV7-List message posted by: "Jim Nolan" Jeff, Night and day wouldn't represent the difference between an RV and a 172. You've picked the most advanced kit Van's Aircraft has. I am starting an RV7 now. After building my RV4 twelve years ago and being very proud of the fact I did build it, I've decided to get a quickbuild even if I have to borrow the money. Time flying is paramount to time building. By the way, I don't think you have to worry about building the spar. It's done for you. Enjoy building and flying. Jim Nolan N444JN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Williams" Subject: RV7-List: Contemplating Rv-7 Build.. > --> RV7-List message posted by: Jeff Williams > > Hey guys- > > My father and I are thinking about taking on an RV-7 quick build.. I am > going to continue to train in our 172 then move to the RV after it is > built.. I was just wondering if any of you could point me to a few websites > that would tell me where we might go to take a few classes or whatever is > needed to build the quick build kit.. Also, the Van's site states a quick > build kit can be built in 500-800 hours, how realistic is this quote? I know > alot will depend on how often we can work on it.. > > This will be our first homebuilt aircraft. I've been told by many who have > built them that it is VERY similar to building an R/C airplane, which I do > for some "side money." Anyhow, we'd like to know where to "start." > > Also, one question we do have is on the spar, do many of you reccomend doing > it yourself or buying the prefabbed spar offered on the van's website? My > dad isn't so sure he wants to rivet the spar together since he's never > really rivetted anything in his life. :D > > I think from what I've heard we should have no problems with the build, but > just thought I'd ask you guys!! > > Thanks alot!! > > Jeff > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:13 AM PST US From: "Burton Loewen" Subject: Re: RV7-List: Contemplating Rv-7 Build.. --> RV7-List message posted by: "Burton Loewen" A common misunderstanding by people starting to or thinking of building any RV is that the quoted hours, 600-900, or whatever, will get you into the air. Realistically, before you get authorization to fly the airplane, 3000 hrs or more will probably be invested. Van's only count the hours that it will take an average or quicker builder to assemble the pieces which they supply. The extra hours are accumulated in the little extras, like engine and prop installation, painting, upholstering, instrument panel and it goes on and on. I have decided for myself that my Rv-7 is a 5 year project, dedicating approx 20 hrs per week, and I think that this realistic. Just starting finishing kit and loving every challenging minute of it. Burt Loewen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Hoffman" Subject: Re: RV7-List: Contemplating Rv-7 Build.. > --> RV7-List message posted by: "Curt Hoffman" > > The spars are all prebuilt. The option to rivet your own spar is not an > option for the 7/7A. It was for the 4 and 6, maybe for the 8 (I'm not sure) > but is not for the 7 and 9. This is true whether you get the quick build or > not. If you read the web site for the 7 you will see that the prebuilt spar > is standard. > > There are several classes on riveting including the EAA Sportair classes and > several listed on Vans site. Most of us have learned by doing and having > some other builders around to guide. If you do as many do, get the tail > first and work on that. Get some scrap aluminum and practice making holes > and riveting and then work on the smaller pieces. You'll ruin a couple and > order new ones and then be on your way. The classes can certainly speed up > the process and boost confidence though I'm sure. They have the classes > where you can go and build the tail in a week and take it home. That > combined with the quickbuild would get you in the air in a hurry. > > Curt Hoffman > RV-9A wings done for now- working on tail > Quick build fuselage now in basement > Piper Cherokee N5320W > 1974 TR6 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Williams" > To: > Subject: RV7-List: Contemplating Rv-7 Build.. > > > > --> RV7-List message posted by: Jeff Williams > > > > Hey guys- > > > > My father and I are thinking about taking on an RV-7 quick build.. I am > > going to continue to train in our 172 then move to the RV after it is > > built.. I was just wondering if any of you could point me to a few > websites > > that would tell me where we might go to take a few classes or whatever is > > needed to build the quick build kit.. Also, the Van's site states a quick > > build kit can be built in 500-800 hours, how realistic is this quote? I > know > > alot will depend on how often we can work on it.. > > > > This will be our first homebuilt aircraft. I've been told by many who have > > built them that it is VERY similar to building an R/C airplane, which I do > > for some "side money." Anyhow, we'd like to know where to "start." > > > > Also, one question we do have is on the spar, do many of you reccomend > doing > > it yourself or buying the prefabbed spar offered on the van's website? My > > dad isn't so sure he wants to rivet the spar together since he's never > > really rivetted anything in his life. :D > > > > I think from what I've heard we should have no problems with the build, > but > > just thought I'd ask you guys!! > > > > Thanks alot!! > > > > Jeff > > > > > > --- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:25 AM PST US From: JoBobSC@AOL.com Subject: RV7-List: Re: RV7-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/05/03 --> RV7-List message posted by: JoBobSC@aol.com please unsubscribe