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1. 11:47 AM - Amazing video (Darwin N. Barrie)
2. 03:40 PM - Re: RV-List: Amazing video (C. Rabaut)
3. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: RV-List: Amazing video (Darwin N. Barrie)
4. 04:12 PM - Re: RV-List: Amazing video (Jeff Dowling)
5. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: RV-List: Amazing video (Brian Meyette)
6. 05:19 PM - Re: Re: RV-List: Amazing video (James E. Clark)
7. 05:44 PM - Re: Re: RV-List: Amazing video (Brian Meyette)
8. 06:46 PM - Re: Re: RV-List: Amazing video (Kent Sorensen)
9. 07:10 PM - Re: Re: RV-List: Amazing video (Cammie Patch)
10. 07:36 PM - Re: Re: RV-List: Amazing video [NOT RV RELATED] (James E. Clark)
11. 08:18 PM - TBird crash-what happened (Darwin N. Barrie)
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<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
I thought everyone might want to see this piece of video of the recent Thunderbirds
crash. Fortunately the pilot ejected with only minor injuries.
http://www.wedda.demon.nl/eject.mpg
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Amazing video |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Darwin,
I could not get my system to show this video; it registered as a virus
and would not let me accept/play it. Did anyone else get to view this clip?
Thanks,
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Darwin N. Barrie <ktlkrn@cox.net>
<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: Amazing video
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
>
> I thought everyone might want to see this piece of video of the recent
Thunderbirds crash. Fortunately the pilot ejected with only minor injuries.
>
> http://www.wedda.demon.nl/eject.mpg
>
> Darwin N. Barrie
> Chandler AZ
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Amazing video |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
It is clean on mine, maybe just your system rejecting it.
Darwin
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV7-List: Re: RV-List: Amazing video
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Darwin,
>
> I could not get my system to show this video; it registered as a virus
> and would not let me accept/play it. Did anyone else get to view this
clip?
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darwin N. Barrie <ktlkrn@cox.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv7-list@matronics.com>;
> <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Amazing video
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
> >
> > I thought everyone might want to see this piece of video of the recent
> Thunderbirds crash. Fortunately the pilot ejected with only minor
injuries.
> >
> > http://www.wedda.demon.nl/eject.mpg
> >
> > Darwin N. Barrie
> > Chandler AZ
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Amazing video |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Jeff Dowling" <shempdowling@earthlink.net>
Worked on mine.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Amazing video
> --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Darwin,
>
> I could not get my system to show this video; it registered as a virus
> and would not let me accept/play it. Did anyone else get to view this
clip?
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darwin N. Barrie <ktlkrn@cox.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>; <rv7-list@matronics.com>;
> <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RV-List: Amazing video
>
>
> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
> >
> > I thought everyone might want to see this piece of video of the recent
> Thunderbirds crash. Fortunately the pilot ejected with only minor
injuries.
> >
> > http://www.wedda.demon.nl/eject.mpg
> >
> > Darwin N. Barrie
> > Chandler AZ
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Amazing video |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic@starband.net>
It took 2 attempts, but I viewed it - not exactly what I was expecting
(in-cockpit view, don't actually see him pull eject), but I did view it OK.
I don't know why he ejected. You get a split second of seeing him eject,
although I couldn't see him initiate the ejection or see why he did it,
other than he looked rather low after a loop. I hadn't heard about the
crash - when did this happen?
brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of C. Rabaut
Subject: RV7-List: Re: RV-List: Amazing video
--> RV7-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Darwin,
I could not get my system to show this video; it registered as a virus
and would not let me accept/play it. Did anyone else get to view this clip?
Thanks,
Chuck
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Darwin N. Barrie <ktlkrn@cox.net>
<RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RV-List: Amazing video
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
>
> I thought everyone might want to see this piece of video of the recent
Thunderbirds crash. Fortunately the pilot ejected with only minor injuries.
>
> http://www.wedda.demon.nl/eject.mpg
>
> Darwin N. Barrie
> Chandler AZ
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Amazing video |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Brian,
I have not seen the video that was reference in this email but I did see the
performances the day before and saw "external" video of the event. I was
surprised that he made it out in time!
It seemed that there was at most 1 second from the time of ejection to
crash. Low in the loop it seemed, without enough power to pull out of it
(for whatever reason).
Any longer and there probably would have been a funeral.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Meyette
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:34 PM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: Re: RV-List: Amazing video
>
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic@starband.net>
>
> It took 2 attempts, but I viewed it - not exactly what I was expecting
> (in-cockpit view, don't actually see him pull eject), but I did
> view it OK.
> I don't know why he ejected. You get a split second of seeing him eject,
> although I couldn't see him initiate the ejection or see why he did it,
> other than he looked rather low after a loop. I hadn't heard about the
> crash - when did this happen?
> brian
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Amazing video |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic@starband.net>
If you've seen the external view, James, you should view this internal one.
It's a camera looking back at the pilot's face & back over his shoulder.
When I was a mechanic in the USAF, they ejected by reaching up overhead and
pulling a protective sheet over their head. I can see no unusual hand
movement from this pilot, so he must have hit a button right next to his
hand. One second, he's flying the loop, the next he's going away REAL fast.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James E. Clark
Subject: RE: RV7-List: Re: RV-List: Amazing video
--> RV7-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Brian,
I have not seen the video that was reference in this email but I did see the
performances the day before and saw "external" video of the event. I was
surprised that he made it out in time!
It seemed that there was at most 1 second from the time of ejection to
crash. Low in the loop it seemed, without enough power to pull out of it
(for whatever reason).
Any longer and there probably would have been a funeral.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Meyette
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:34 PM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: Re: RV-List: Amazing video
>
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic@starband.net>
>
> It took 2 attempts, but I viewed it - not exactly what I was expecting
> (in-cockpit view, don't actually see him pull eject), but I did
> view it OK.
> I don't know why he ejected. You get a split second of seeing him eject,
> although I couldn't see him initiate the ejection or see why he did it,
> other than he looked rather low after a loop. I hadn't heard about the
> crash - when did this happen?
> brian
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Amazing video |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Kent Sorensen <kents@snak.com>
> It took 2 attempts, but I viewed it - not exactly what I was expecting
> (in-cockpit view, don't actually see him pull eject), but I did view
> it OK.
> I don't know why he ejected. You get a split second of seeing him
> eject,
> although I couldn't see him initiate the ejection or see why he did it,
> other than he looked rather low after a loop. I hadn't heard about the
> crash - when did this happen?
If you look at the last 15-20 frames and look at the features on the
ground under the wing you can see that the ground is coming up
_incredibly_ fast. 100 ft or so per frame. That's why he ejected. The
actual impact took place one or two frames after he cleared the plane.
He must have initiated that inverted loop from way too low altitude.
Scratch one $10-15M very nice jet.
Awesome video.
Kent
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Amazing video |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Cammie Patch" <cammie@sunvalley.net>
I was at the airshow, he crashed right in front of everyone. It was so
freaky, everyone was really quiet and didn't know what to do or say. Lots of
people were video taping the show. go to
http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/ktvb-thunderbirdcrash.a7bebaa7.html for
some still photos and the crash video. Very people saw him eject, but we
could see him stand up and walk around immediately after. It's the kind of
thing that your mind replays over and over.
Cammie
RV7
ailerons
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James E. Clark
Subject: RE: RV7-List: Re: RV-List: Amazing video
--> RV7-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
Brian,
I have not seen the video that was reference in this email but I did see the
performances the day before and saw "external" video of the event. I was
surprised that he made it out in time!
It seemed that there was at most 1 second from the time of ejection to
crash. Low in the loop it seemed, without enough power to pull out of it
(for whatever reason).
Any longer and there probably would have been a funeral.
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Meyette
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:34 PM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: Re: RV-List: Amazing video
>
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic@starband.net>
>
> It took 2 attempts, but I viewed it - not exactly what I was expecting
> (in-cockpit view, don't actually see him pull eject), but I did
> view it OK.
> I don't know why he ejected. You get a split second of seeing him eject,
> although I couldn't see him initiate the ejection or see why he did it,
> other than he looked rather low after a loop. I hadn't heard about the
> crash - when did this happen?
> brian
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Amazing video [NOT RV RELATED] |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "James E. Clark" <james@nextupventures.com>
[Not RV, delete now if not interested. Thread will end soon. Do Not Archive]
Kent, I was about to point that out.
In the external video, it is actually AMAZING that he hung in there as long
as he did. In the time it takes you to say "punch-out!, BOOM!" that was
about what the sequence was. Yes, the bottom of that loop was low.
I don't know if this recording was 15 or 30 frames per second but I too
noticed that in about 10 frames or so, the plane was toast.
Interestingly, if you go frame by frame, you can see his right hand coming
to his lap about the time the canopy is blown and by the time his hand gets
there, he is being ejected. For those familiar, aren't those leg retainers
strapped above the ankles ass he is "exiting"?
James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kent Sorensen
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:46 PM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Re: RV-List: Amazing video
>
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: Kent Sorensen <kents@snak.com>
>
>
> > It took 2 attempts, but I viewed it - not exactly what I was expecting
> > (in-cockpit view, don't actually see him pull eject), but I did view
> > it OK.
> > I don't know why he ejected. You get a split second of seeing him
> > eject,
> > although I couldn't see him initiate the ejection or see why he did it,
> > other than he looked rather low after a loop. I hadn't heard about the
> > crash - when did this happen?
>
> If you look at the last 15-20 frames and look at the features on the
> ground under the wing you can see that the ground is coming up
> _incredibly_ fast. 100 ft or so per frame. That's why he ejected. The
> actual impact took place one or two frames after he cleared the plane.
>
> He must have initiated that inverted loop from way too low altitude.
> Scratch one $10-15M very nice jet.
>
> Awesome video.
>
> Kent
>
>
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| Subject: | TBird crash-what happened |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
The maneuver was a half reverse Cuban eight. He pulls to the 45 degree, draws a
line, then does a half roll. After the half roll he was supposed to continue
on the line before completing the loop portion. The video shows he began to pull
almost immediately after completing the half roll.
The report I read said he was supposed to draw the line after the roll for about
2 seconds to give him an extra 1000 ft. Also if you watch close you can see
his left hand make a couple of quick attempts at the ejection before he finally
gets it. Some said the engine quite but I think he cut it off before he finally
got out. Makes sense if he missed the handle a couple of times.
Do you think the guys in the tower where messing their britches???
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler AZ
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