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1. 06:57 AM - Re: Center mounted stick ? (Dean)
2. 11:34 AM - Radio (Scott Trask)
3. 12:27 PM - Re: Radio (Noel & Yoshie Simmons)
4. 12:51 PM - Matronics Internet Connection Repaired!! (Matt Dralle)
5. 02:47 PM - Re: Center mounted stick ? (Dana Overall)
6. 04:21 PM - O-360 Rough Running? (Jeff Williams)
7. 06:49 PM - Re: Center mounted stick ? (Kent Sorensen)
8. 06:56 PM - Re: O-360 Rough Running? (Frank)
9. 07:29 PM - Re: O-360 Rough Running? (N223RV@AOL.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Center mounted stick ? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
Kent
In addition to Dana's excellent comments, I would suggest a simple human
factors exercise before you go any further with the center stick idea. Sit
in a finished, upholstered RV6/7/9 with a simulated (broomstick ?) stick on
centerline. Your forearm will now be moving in a straight fore and aft
direction, so be sure that you would be able to have full aft stick travel
before your elbow runs into an immovable object. My 9A is not quite to that
stage yet, or I would have made a quick check myself.
Dean Van Winkle
Fuselage/Finish
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV7-List: Center mounted stick ?
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> Kent, a couple issues you will have to deal with. Your aileron pushrods
> will probably not be long enough so you will have to order new material
from
> someone other than Van's, no big deal. The geometry of changing the pivot
> point may be more of a problem, if you have to do that. The aileron
> pushrods exit pre existing holes through the center section ribs and out
the
> fuselage. In addition, the mounting hardware, I am assuming, would
already
> be bolted onto the center section, no big deal as you could work around
> that. The next will be the center pass through, through the aft spar.
Big
> deal? Don't know for sure but you will have to spend some time addressing
> the geometry of this.
>
> A big deal............not really but you probably will spend a little more
> time than you think with it being a QB.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit
> Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
>
> >From: Kent Sorensen <kents@snak.com>
> >Reply-To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> >To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RV7-List: Center mounted stick ?
> >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 07:44:18 -0500
> >
> >--> RV7-List message posted by: Kent Sorensen <kents@snak.com>
> >
> >My RV-7A QB fuselage and wings have now been ordered and is expected to
> >be here early February. The only major modification I would like to
> >make is to have a single, center mounted stick instead of one per seat.
> >
> >I'm aware that this is probably not a simple change as the stick will
> >most likely have to be raised which will change the pivot point. Some
> >sort of narrow center console would also be nice.
> >
> >Does anyone know of someone who has done this successfully, in any of
> >the side-by-side RV's ?
> >
> >Thanks in advance and happy holidays.
> >Kent Sorensen
> >
> >Toronto, Ontario, Elevators, QB kit on order.
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV7-List message posted by: Scott Trask <sctrask@diisd.org>
Hi
Any of you builders installing AM FM radios/CD players entertainment
systems? If so, what are you installing and where are you putting them?
Scott Trask IMT
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--> RV7-List message posted by: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@blueskyaviation.net>
Scott,
I always encourage the installation of an AM/FM/CD with a Good intercom, I
use NAT-AA83 stereo or AA-85 Mono. I love listening to a CD or while cross
country listening to other radio stations and getting there local news, good
to hear new voices too.
IMHO It is important to put it on the main buss so you can turn it
completely off while the aircraft is setting for a long period.
http://www.blueskyaviation.net/panel.html
is a link to my web site and the location I put the unit in the last RV-9A
we did.
Noel
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Subject: RV7-List: Radio
--> RV7-List message posted by: Scott Trask <sctrask@diisd.org>
Hi
Any of you builders installing AM FM radios/CD players entertainment
systems? If so, what are you installing and where are you putting them?
Scott Trask IMT
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| Subject: | Matronics Internet Connection Repaired!! |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
The phone company was out here bright and early this morning and repaired
the wires and the T1 connection is back up and rock solid!
Again my apologies for any inconvenience the disruption may have caused.
Best regards,
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| Subject: | Re: Center mounted stick ? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
After thinking little more about it, you would also have to come up with
your own aileron trim design as the existing trim would not work. I've sat
and wondered one question though, why? If you want the center stick, you
will be using left hand throttle. If your desire is to have the ability to
have someone else fly the center stick, you still have to control the
throttle. Just wondering what you be accomplishing with this setup. I'd
just like to know what you desire to accomplish. Don't take that the wrong
way. It's not meant to discredit your idea.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
>From: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
>Reply-To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV7-List: Center mounted stick ?
>Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:51:04 -0600
>
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
>
>Kent
>
>In addition to Dana's excellent comments, I would suggest a simple human
>factors exercise before you go any further with the center stick idea. Sit
>in a finished, upholstered RV6/7/9 with a simulated (broomstick ?) stick on
>centerline. Your forearm will now be moving in a straight fore and aft
>direction, so be sure that you would be able to have full aft stick travel
>before your elbow runs into an immovable object. My 9A is not quite to
>that
>stage yet, or I would have made a quick check myself.
>
>Dean Van Winkle
>Fuselage/Finish
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV7-List: Center mounted stick ?
>
>
> > --> RV7-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Kent, a couple issues you will have to deal with. Your aileron pushrods
> > will probably not be long enough so you will have to order new material
>from
> > someone other than Van's, no big deal. The geometry of changing the
>pivot
> > point may be more of a problem, if you have to do that. The aileron
> > pushrods exit pre existing holes through the center section ribs and out
>the
> > fuselage. In addition, the mounting hardware, I am assuming, would
>already
> > be bolted onto the center section, no big deal as you could work around
> > that. The next will be the center pass through, through the aft spar.
>Big
> > deal? Don't know for sure but you will have to spend some time
>addressing
> > the geometry of this.
> >
> > A big deal............not really but you probably will spend a little
>more
> > time than you think with it being a QB.
> >
> >
> > Dana Overall
> > Richmond, KY
> > RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> > Finish kit
> > Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> > http://rvflying.tripod.com
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > >From: Kent Sorensen <kents@snak.com>
> > >Reply-To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> > >To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> > >Subject: RV7-List: Center mounted stick ?
> > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 07:44:18 -0500
> > >
> > >--> RV7-List message posted by: Kent Sorensen <kents@snak.com>
> > >
> > >My RV-7A QB fuselage and wings have now been ordered and is expected to
> > >be here early February. The only major modification I would like to
> > >make is to have a single, center mounted stick instead of one per seat.
> > >
> > >I'm aware that this is probably not a simple change as the stick will
> > >most likely have to be raised which will change the pivot point. Some
> > >sort of narrow center console would also be nice.
> > >
> > >Does anyone know of someone who has done this successfully, in any of
> > >the side-by-side RV's ?
> > >
> > >Thanks in advance and happy holidays.
> > >Kent Sorensen
> > >
> > >Toronto, Ontario, Elevators, QB kit on order.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | O-360 Rough Running? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Jeff Williams <Tramsootru@direcway.com>
Hey guys-
I was just thinking about this list.. Dunno if any of you have the O-360,
but our 172 has this engine in it.. It has been running rough lately.. The
mag checks are fine and at 25/25 it seems to run nice.. 23/23 it seems to
run rough.. The lower the MAP/RPM get, the rougher it runs.. Seems to be
missing... Full throttle seems to be strong for it..
Any idea's?
Sorry this is off topic, but I just thought I'd ask..
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Center mounted stick ? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Kent Sorensen <kents@snak.com>
Well, the principal reason is to have the lap free. This would benefit
both pilot and passenger.
The secondary reason is the "cool" factor. Before I settled on the RV-7
my desire was to build a Velocity and I only chose the RV because I
don't have enough space available to build the other one. The Velocity
has a center mounted stick which makes ergonomical sense to me. In the
Velocity this is probably dictated by the side doors, but even in the
RV a center mounted stick would make entry and exit slightly easier.
Having a stick per seat seems simply a historical habit. It's always
been done like that...
Kent
On Dec 26, 2003, at 11:40 AM, Dana Overall wrote:
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>
> After thinking little more about it, you would also have to come up
> with
> your own aileron trim design as the existing trim would not work.
> I've sat
> and wondered one question though, why? If you want the center stick,
> you
> will be using left hand throttle. If your desire is to have the
> ability to
> have someone else fly the center stick, you still have to control the
> throttle. Just wondering what you be accomplishing with this setup.
> I'd
> just like to know what you desire to accomplish. Don't take that the
> wrong
> way. It's not meant to discredit your idea.
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> Finish kit
> Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
>
>> From: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
>> Reply-To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>> To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Center mounted stick ?
>> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:51:04 -0600
>>
>> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Dean" <dvanwinkle@royell.net>
>>
>> Kent
>>
>> In addition to Dana's excellent comments, I would suggest a simple
>> human
>> factors exercise before you go any further with the center stick
>> idea. Sit
>> in a finished, upholstered RV6/7/9 with a simulated (broomstick ?)
>> stick on
>> centerline. Your forearm will now be moving in a straight fore and
>> aft
>> direction, so be sure that you would be able to have full aft stick
>> travel
>> before your elbow runs into an immovable object. My 9A is not quite
>> to
>> that
>> stage yet, or I would have made a quick check myself.
>>
>> Dean Van Winkle
>> Fuselage/Finish
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>> To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: RV7-List: Center mounted stick ?
>>
>>
>>> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Dana Overall" <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> Kent, a couple issues you will have to deal with. Your aileron
>>> pushrods
>>> will probably not be long enough so you will have to order new
>>> material
>> from
>>> someone other than Van's, no big deal. The geometry of changing the
>> pivot
>>> point may be more of a problem, if you have to do that. The aileron
>>> pushrods exit pre existing holes through the center section ribs and
>>> out
>> the
>>> fuselage. In addition, the mounting hardware, I am assuming, would
>> already
>>> be bolted onto the center section, no big deal as you could work
>>> around
>>> that. The next will be the center pass through, through the aft
>>> spar.
>> Big
>>> deal? Don't know for sure but you will have to spend some time
>> addressing
>>> the geometry of this.
>>>
>>> A big deal............not really but you probably will spend a little
>> more
>>> time than you think with it being a QB.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dana Overall
>>> Richmond, KY
>>> RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
>>> Finish kit
>>> Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon.
>>> http://rvflying.tripod.com
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Kent Sorensen <kents@snak.com>
>>>> Reply-To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>>>> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: RV7-List: Center mounted stick ?
>>>> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 07:44:18 -0500
>>>>
>>>> --> RV7-List message posted by: Kent Sorensen <kents@snak.com>
>>>>
>>>> My RV-7A QB fuselage and wings have now been ordered and is
>>>> expected to
>>>> be here early February. The only major modification I would like to
>>>> make is to have a single, center mounted stick instead of one per
>>>> seat.
>>>>
>>>> I'm aware that this is probably not a simple change as the stick
>>>> will
>>>> most likely have to be raised which will change the pivot point.
>>>> Some
>>>> sort of narrow center console would also be nice.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know of someone who has done this successfully, in any
>>>> of
>>>> the side-by-side RV's ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance and happy holidays.
>>>> Kent Sorensen
>>>>
>>>> Toronto, Ontario, Elevators, QB kit on order.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: O-360 Rough Running? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Frank" <fscorpio@sbcglobal.net>
Jeff,
Try: www.sacskyranch.com
There you will find links to several engine maintenance and troubleshooting
articles.
Frank
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Williams" <Tramsootru@direcway.com>
Subject: RV7-List: O-360 Rough Running?
> --> RV7-List message posted by: Jeff Williams <Tramsootru@direcway.com>
>
> Hey guys-
>
> I was just thinking about this list.. Dunno if any of you have the O-360,
> but our 172 has this engine in it.. It has been running rough lately.. The
> mag checks are fine and at 25/25 it seems to run nice.. 23/23 it seems to
> run rough.. The lower the MAP/RPM get, the rougher it runs.. Seems to be
> missing... Full throttle seems to be strong for it..
>
> Any idea's?
>
> Sorry this is off topic, but I just thought I'd ask..
>
> Jeff
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: O-360 Rough Running? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: N223RV@aol.com
I'm no expert by any means, but I'd check the spark plugs for lead build up
or lead 'balls' stuck up in them (more often on the lower plugs). Also check
and ensure the primer is not leaking (if so equipped) and check to be sure the
carb heat is not opened or opening.
I have seen all these things cause rough running engines.
-Mike Kraus
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