---------------------------------------------------------- RV7-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/12/04: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:15 AM - Re: Wing Rear Spar trim detail (Sargentclt@cs.com) 2. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: CloudCars prop (Sargentclt@cs.com) 3. 01:02 PM - Re: RV Potential New Builder Questions (Frank Stringham) 4. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: RV Potential New Builder Questions (Frank Stringham) 5. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: RV Potential New Builder Questions (Charlie England) 6. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: RV Potential New Builder Questions (Charlie England) 7. 07:24 PM - Re: Wing Rear Spar trim detail (Imken) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:07 AM PST US From: Sargentclt@cs.com Subject: Re: RV7-List: Wing Rear Spar trim detail --> RV7-List message posted by: Sargentclt@cs.com IF YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE FUEL TANK SUPPORT IT IS OK TO CUT IT HOWEVER LEAVE IT ABOUT 1/8 OVER SIZED JUST IN CASE. IF YOU ARE TAKING ABOUT THE REAR SUPPORT ID LEAVE IT LONG AND TRIM IT LATER. YOU WILL SEE WHEN YOU FIT THE WINGS WHAT I MEAN. IN ETHER CASE LEAVE THEM LONG AND YOU CAN TRIM THEM LATER. BETTER TOO LONG THAN TOO SHORT. TAD SARGENT 7A FINISH KIT ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:25 AM PST US From: Sargentclt@cs.com Subject: Re: RV7-List: RE: CloudCars prop --> RV7-List message posted by: Sargentclt@cs.com What is Jay's web address Tad Sargent RV7A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:24 PM PST US From: Frank Stringham Subject: RV7-List: Re: RV Potential New Builder Questions --> RV7-List message posted by: Frank Stringham 7A group My name is Frank Stringham and have two homes; one in Murray Utah (suburb of SLC) and St George Utah (SGU). During the past three years I have been attempting to build a Vision composite aircraft by American Affordable Aircraft. In short, I probably wouldn't finish it in my life time, don't like fiberglass to work in(but sure like the slick beauty of the plane), and didn't like the clean up process after a days work. This brings me to the 7A which I am now considering. I have great resources for help in my home areas, like the capabilities of the plane, and feel I might be able to complete in my life time. But, the cost, old engine technology, and lack of metal experience gives me pause. So my questions: 1. Is Vans good to work with and are they willing to give help and make good on orders that fall short of required materials, or defective materials. 2. Is QB worth the extra money and about how much time does it save over standard build. 3. Are there any 7A's close to either of my homes that are complete and the owner willing to give me a ride. 4. Is the learing curve reasonable to become proficient in the skills necessary to build the 7A. I have enjoyed reading your group e-mails. It appears that like my Vision family, most are helpful, great info is given, and few fueds. Seems just like home. Thanks in advance. Frank 435-632-6895 --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:09 PM PST US From: Frank Stringham Subject: Re: RV7-List: Re: RV Potential New Builder Questions --> RV7-List message posted by: Frank Stringham Frank Stringham wrote:--> RV7-List message posted by: Frank Stringham 7A group My name is Frank Stringham and have two homes; one in Murray Utah (suburb of SLC) and St George Utah (SGU). During the past three years I have been attempting to build a Vision composite aircraft by American Affordable Aircraft. In short, I probably wouldn't finish it in my life time, don't like fiberglass to work in(but sure like the slick beauty of the plane), and didn't like the clean up process after a days work. This brings me to the 7A which I am now considering. I have great resources for help in my home areas, like the capabilities of the plane, and feel I might be able to complete in my life time. But, the cost, old engine technology, and lack of metal experience gives me pause. So my questions: 1. Is Vans good to work with and are they willing to give help and make good on orders that fall short of required materials, or defective materials. 2. Is QB worth the extra money and about how much time does it save over standard build. 3. Are there any 7A's close to either of my homes that are complete and the owner willing to give me a ride. 4. Is the learing curve reasonable to become proficient in the skills necessary to build the 7A. I have enjoyed reading your group e-mails. It appears that like my Vision family, most are helpful, great info is given, and few fueds. Seems just like home. Thanks in advance. Frank 435-632-6895 --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:31 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV7-List: Re: RV Potential New Builder Questions --> RV7-List message posted by: Charlie England Frank Stringham wrote: >--> RV7-List message posted by: Frank Stringham > > >7A group > >My name is Frank Stringham and have two homes; one in Murray Utah (suburb of SLC) >and St George Utah (SGU). During the past three years I have been attempting to build a Vision composite aircraft by American Affordable Aircraft. In short, I probably wouldn't finish it in my life time, don't like fiberglass to work in(but sure like the slick beauty of the plane), and didn't like the clean up process after a days work. This brings me to the 7A which I am now considering. I have great resources for help in my home areas, like the capabilities of the plane, and feel I might be able to complete in my life time. But, the cost, old engine technology, and lack of metal experience gives me pause. >So my questions: 1. Is Vans good to work with and are they willing to give help and make good on orders that fall short of required materials, or defective materials. 2. Is QB worth the extra money and about how much time does it save over standard build. 3. Are there any 7A's close to either of my homes that are complete and the owner willing to give me a ride. 4. Is the learing curve reasonable to become proficient in the skills necessary to build the 7A. > >I have enjoyed reading your group e-mails. It appears that like my Vision family, most are helpful, great info is given, and few fueds. Seems just like home. > >Thanks in advance. > >Frank >435-632-6895 > If you have had any success at all following the plans for a plans-built plane, the -7 will not be a problem. Van's support is well above average. Most guesses at the value of the QB option are around $8.00/hr of your time. Your available time vs. available finances take over from there. I found the learning curve for a/c metal work (read that riveting) to be short & shallow. I trust my ability to detect poorly riveted parts much more than I trust my ability to detect inadequate quality in structural fiberglas work. One often ignored advantage of prepunched metal planes like the RV's is the high probability that the plane will have predictable & benign flying characteristics when complete. Many of the older designs, both metal & glass, are totally dependent on the builder's ability to properly jig & construct the airframe. With prepunch, if you can line up the holes you will have a pretty straight airframe with predictable stall characteristics. I'm nowhere near Utah but there are probably at least a dozen RV's within driving distance who would give you a ride. Try calling Vans for a list of flying planes. Charlie -7 wings ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:40 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV7-List: Re: RV Potential New Builder Questions --> RV7-List message posted by: Charlie England Frank Stringham wrote: >--> RV7-List message posted by: Frank Stringham > > >7A group > >My name is Frank Stringham and have two homes; one in Murray Utah (suburb of SLC) >and St George Utah (SGU). During the past three years I have been attempting to build a Vision composite aircraft by American Affordable Aircraft. In short, I probably wouldn't finish it in my life time, don't like fiberglass to work in(but sure like the slick beauty of the plane), and didn't like the clean up process after a days work. This brings me to the 7A which I am now considering. I have great resources for help in my home areas, like the capabilities of the plane, and feel I might be able to complete in my life time. But, the cost, old engine technology, and lack of metal experience gives me pause. >So my questions: 1. Is Vans good to work with and are they willing to give help and make good on orders that fall short of required materials, or defective materials. 2. Is QB worth the extra money and about how much time does it save over standard build. 3. Are there any 7A's close to either of my homes that are complete and the owner willing to give me a ride. 4. Is the learing curve reasonable to become proficient in the skills necessary to build the 7A. > >I have enjoyed reading your group e-mails. It appears that like my Vision family, most are helpful, great info is given, and few fueds. Seems just like home. > >Thanks in advance. > >Frank >435-632-6895 > If you have had any success at all following the plans for a plans-built plane, the -7 will not be a problem. Van's support is well above average. Most guesses at the value of the QB option are around $8.00/hr of your time. Your available time vs. available finances take over from there. I found the learning curve for a/c metal work (read that riveting) to be short & shallow. I trust my ability to detect poorly riveted parts much more than I trust my ability to detect inadequate quality in structural fiberglas work. One often ignored advantage of prepunched metal planes like the RV's is the high probability that the plane will have predictable & benign flying characteristics when complete. Many of the older designs, both metal & glass, are totally dependent on the builder's ability to properly jig & construct the airframe. With prepunch, if you can line up the holes you will have a pretty straight airframe with predictable stall characteristics. I'm nowhere near Utah but there are probably at least a dozen RV's within driving distance who would give you a ride. Try calling Vans for a list of flying planes. Charlie -7 wings ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:17 PM PST US From: "Imken" Subject: RE: RV7-List: Wing Rear Spar trim detail --> RV7-List message posted by: "Imken" I just trimmed mine two weeks ago after a trial fit of finished wings to the fuse. You need that 5/8 " edge distance when you drill the rear spar for the angle of incidence. Trimming before assembly may be cutting it too close for comfort. I'd wait until you slip the wings on and sneak up on the trimming. Once cut, it's hard to replace. Chuck Imken -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Allen Fulmer Subject: RV7-List: Wing Rear Spar trim detail --> RV7-List message posted by: "Allen Fulmer" RV7 Rear spar preparations DWG 10A Wing Exploded View Detail C says "RV-7/7A Builder Only! See DWG 38 Rear Spar Trim Detail" Don't have DWG 38 yet but preview plans gives the dimensions to trim the W-707G Rear Spar Reinf. Fork and W-707D Rear Spar Doubler Plate. Seems it would be best to trim those before assembly of the rear spar. Comments? Nothing in the archives. Allen Fulmer RV7 Wings N808AF reserved