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1. 04:29 AM - Re: to match drill or not to match drill (LarryRobertHelming)
2. 07:15 AM - Farings (Mickey Billings)
3. 07:23 AM - Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Re: to match drill or not to match dr (Dwight Frye)
4. 07:34 AM - Re: to match drill or not to match drill (customtrans@qwest.net)
5. 08:15 AM - Re: Farings (Hopperdhh@AOL.com)
6. 11:00 AM - Re: Farings (Brian Meyette)
7. 11:18 AM - Re: Farings (cary rhodes)
8. 11:56 AM - Re: Farings (Brian Meyette)
9. 02:45 PM - Re: Farings (LarryRobertHelming)
10. 06:33 PM - Re: Farings (Hopperdhh@AOL.com)
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| Subject: | Re: to match drill or not to match drill |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
----- Original Message -----
Subject: RV7-List: to match drill or not to match drill
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
>
> I have posted this on the RV7 yahoo group also. When you dimple the skin
and rib of the wing the rivets fit perfectly. >Do you have to match drill??
I have heard through the grapevine that it is not necessary. Any thoughts.
> Doug Brinlee RV7wing
>
(((((((()))))))))))
Doug, it is not necessary to first drill prepunched hoes to build the plane.
However, It is your soul riding in that plane and your passengers'. You
might not of heard of stress cracks and your plane designer has instructed
us to first drill for this reason. None the less, by not drilling to proper
size before dimpling, you are creating tiny stress cracks around every hole.
Regardless if you drill first or just dimple, Deburring is one step some
builders overlook. It should always be done to ensure a good fit without
tiny bits of metal that form gaps between parts and smooth the edges. Keep
in mind also, Drilling may also improve the fit of parts due to expansion
and contraction of construction materials due to heat or slight
imperfections/irregularities in the manufacturer's making of the materials.
Some times things fit almost too tightly together and drilling relieves that
stress too. We all want a safer plane I think. I have just about completed
my 7 and have a very good feel for how much total time it takes to drill all
holes before dimpling. For the entire plane it is less than 15 hours. Not
that much when considering the whole plane for a slow build is somewhere
between 2 and 6 thousand hours (depending on whether you are a fast builder
or a slow one). If you decide to skip drilling, you should note this in
your costruction log that you did not follow all the recommended guidelines
of the kit designer. It could impact the cost of insurance also and the
value to any future potential buyer of your plane. do not archive.
Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker"
The sincerest satisfactions in life come in doing and not dodging duty; in
meeting and solving problems, in facing facts, in being a dependable person.
- Richard L. Evans
>
>
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--> RV7-List message posted by: "Mickey Billings" <mbilli@cox.net>
Does anyone know where I can get fairings for the upper and lower gear legs already
made? And if there would be a fitting problem?
Mickey Billings
N445BH
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| Subject: | Re: to match drill or not to match dr |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
As a follow-on note regarding this issue ... there has been much discussion
about it in the past on the main RV list. You can search the archives for
various useful comments there. The long and short of it is that Van's does
not endorse skipping the drilling, even if it *looks* like it works fine.
I'll close by saying that I'm drilling all the holes on my -7 and find it not
that big a time-consumer. What really seems tedious and time-consuming to
_me_ is the deburring (which I am doing too). If you think about it ... for
every single drilling operation you have at *least* four deburring steps. You
drill because you are fastening at least two parts together, which is two
holes. Each hole has two sides. Each side of each hole has to be deburred. In
the event you are fastening more than two parts together, the number of deburr
steps goes up. *shudder*
So .. hey .. compared to that, the drilling is a piece of cake. :) But as
has already been said ... its your call.
-- Dwight
do not archive
On Wed Sep 15 23:56:56 2004, Francis, David CMDR wrote :
>By dimpling undersized holes you are enlarging by violence rather than
>gentleness. By match drilling to final size then dimpling you will treat the
>metal more gently and minimise the incidence of stress risers around holes,
>which will be the point of origin for cracks to generate in later life.
>
>Having inspected a couple of elderly RVs here I have match drilled all the
>15,500 rivet holes in my creation.
>
>Its your call.
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| Subject: | to match drill or not to match drill |
--> RV7-List message posted by: customtrans@qwest.net
I wanted to add just a tid bit about drilling the holes. If you use the run
of the mill drill bits, you may want to slow down the drills speed. Reason,
I noticed if I run the drill at a high Rpm it causes the drill bit to
wobble(I call it cheap bits) and oblong the hole. Slow the Rpm and the hole
looks much rounder. So set the pressure to about 35 and drill away, but I
still feather the control. My thoughts are to get the reamers.
steve allbee
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
LarryRobertHelming
Subject: Re: RV7-List: to match drill or not to match drill
--> RV7-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
----- Original Message -----
Subject: RV7-List: to match drill or not to match drill
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Doug Brinlee" <abfbrinlee@att.net>
>
> I have posted this on the RV7 yahoo group also. When you dimple the skin
and rib of the wing the rivets fit perfectly. >Do you have to match drill??
I have heard through the grapevine that it is not necessary. Any thoughts.
> Doug Brinlee RV7wing
>
(((((((()))))))))))
Doug, it is not necessary to first drill prepunched hoes to build the plane.
However, It is your soul riding in that plane and your passengers'. You
might not of heard of stress cracks and your plane designer has instructed
us to first drill for this reason. None the less, by not drilling to proper
size before dimpling, you are creating tiny stress cracks around every hole.
Regardless if you drill first or just dimple, Deburring is one step some
builders overlook. It should always be done to ensure a good fit without
tiny bits of metal that form gaps between parts and smooth the edges. Keep
in mind also, Drilling may also improve the fit of parts due to expansion
and contraction of construction materials due to heat or slight
imperfections/irregularities in the manufacturer's making of the materials.
Some times things fit almost too tightly together and drilling relieves that
stress too. We all want a safer plane I think. I have just about completed
my 7 and have a very good feel for how much total time it takes to drill all
holes before dimpling. For the entire plane it is less than 15 hours. Not
that much when considering the whole plane for a slow build is somewhere
between 2 and 6 thousand hours (depending on whether you are a fast builder
or a slow one). If you decide to skip drilling, you should note this in
your costruction log that you did not follow all the recommended guidelines
of the kit designer. It could impact the cost of insurance also and the
value to any future potential buyer of your plane. do not archive.
Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker"
The sincerest satisfactions in life come in doing and not dodging duty; in
meeting and solving problems, in facing facts, in being a dependable person.
- Richard L. Evans
>
>
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--> RV7-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
In a message dated 9/16/04 9:16:12 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
mbilli@cox.net writes:
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Mickey Billings" <mbilli@cox.net>
>
> Does anyone know where I can get fairings for the upper and lower gear legs
> already made? And if there would be a fitting problem?
>
> Mickey Billings
> N445BH
>
>
Mickey,
I can't endorse his product, but John A. Violette left his card on my plane
at OSH. His phone is 860 829 6809. Website is aerocomposites.com. Let us
know how much they cost.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A N766DH
(flying about 43 hours now)
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--> RV7-List message posted by: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic@starband.net>
You might also try Sam James and/or Mark Frederick
Sam apparently does not have a web site. He is listed on Homebuilt Yellow
Pages
http://www2.mstewart.net:8080/michael/rv/Links/homebuiltyellowpages.htm
as SAM JAMES AIRCRAFT 941-675-4493 RV WING FAIRINGS, WHEEL PANTS, ENGINE
COOLING PLENUMS AND HOLY COWL COWLINGS
Mark is the Team Rocket guy.
MARK FREDERICK (CHECK SIX!) 512-365-8131 mlfred@aol.com GEAR LEG FAIRINGS,
AEROFLASH LOW OUTPUT STROBES AND AIRFLOW PERFORMANCE FUEL INJECTION SYSTEMS
This is his web site. I got my seat belts from him.
http://teamrocketaircraft.com/
Here's another one, too
http://www.fairings-etc.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hopperdhh@AOL.com
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Farings
--> RV7-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
In a message dated 9/16/04 9:16:12 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
mbilli@cox.net writes:
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Mickey Billings" <mbilli@cox.net>
>
> Does anyone know where I can get fairings for the upper and lower gear
legs
> already made? And if there would be a fitting problem?
>
> Mickey Billings
> N445BH
>
>
Mickey,
I can't endorse his product, but John A. Violette left his card on my plane
at OSH. His phone is 860 829 6809. Website is aerocomposites.com. Let us
know how much they cost.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A N766DH
(flying about 43 hours now)
---
---
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--> RV7-List message posted by: cary rhodes <rhodeseng@yahoo.com>
bob snedaker at fairings etc. is the guy
--- Brian Meyette <brianpublic@starband.net> wrote:
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Brian Meyette"
> <brianpublic@starband.net>
>
> You might also try Sam James and/or Mark Frederick
>
> Sam apparently does not have a web site. He is
> listed on Homebuilt Yellow
> Pages
>
http://www2.mstewart.net:8080/michael/rv/Links/homebuiltyellowpages.htm
> as SAM JAMES AIRCRAFT 941-675-4493 RV WING FAIRINGS,
> WHEEL PANTS, ENGINE
> COOLING PLENUMS AND HOLY COWL COWLINGS
>
> Mark is the Team Rocket guy.
>
> MARK FREDERICK (CHECK SIX!) 512-365-8131
> mlfred@aol.com GEAR LEG FAIRINGS,
> AEROFLASH LOW OUTPUT STROBES AND AIRFLOW PERFORMANCE
> FUEL INJECTION SYSTEMS
>
> This is his web site. I got my seat belts from
> him.
> http://teamrocketaircraft.com/
>
> Here's another one, too
>
> http://www.fairings-etc.com/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Hopperdhh@AOL.com
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Farings
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/16/04 9:16:12 AM US Eastern
> Standard Time,
> mbilli@cox.net writes:
>
> >
> > --> RV7-List message posted by: "Mickey Billings"
> <mbilli@cox.net>
> >
> > Does anyone know where I can get fairings for the
> upper and lower gear
> legs
> > already made? And if there would be a fitting
> problem?
> >
> > Mickey Billings
> > N445BH
> >
> >
>
> Mickey,
>
> I can't endorse his product, but John A. Violette
> left his card on my plane
> at OSH. His phone is 860 829 6809. Website is
> aerocomposites.com. Let us
> know how much they cost.
>
> Dan Hopper
> RV-7A N766DH
> (flying about 43 hours now)
>
>
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--> RV7-List message posted by: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic@starband.net>
I looked at the web site you referenced, and I see nothing about fairings.
It appears to be only a prop mfg.
brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hopperdhh@AOL.com
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Farings
--> RV7-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
In a message dated 9/16/04 9:16:12 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
mbilli@cox.net writes:
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Mickey Billings" <mbilli@cox.net>
>
> Does anyone know where I can get fairings for the upper and lower gear
legs
> already made? And if there would be a fitting problem?
>
> Mickey Billings
> N445BH
>
>
Mickey,
I can't endorse his product, but John A. Violette left his card on my plane
at OSH. His phone is 860 829 6809. Website is aerocomposites.com. Let us
know how much they cost.
Dan Hopper
RV-7A N766DH
(flying about 43 hours now)
---
---
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--> RV7-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
You should also give consideration to Steve Eberhart at newtech@newtech.com
He is building a 7A.
He did mine and I am not disappointed with them in the least bit. And, I
like his price.
Indiana Larry, RV7 TipUp "SunSeeker"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic@starband.net>
Subject: RE: RV7-List: Farings
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic@starband.net>
>
> You might also try Sam James and/or Mark Frederick
>
> Sam apparently does not have a web site. He is listed on Homebuilt Yellow
> Pages
> http://www2.mstewart.net:8080/michael/rv/Links/homebuiltyellowpages.htm
> as SAM JAMES AIRCRAFT 941-675-4493 RV WING FAIRINGS, WHEEL PANTS, ENGINE
> COOLING PLENUMS AND HOLY COWL COWLINGS
>
> Mark is the Team Rocket guy.
>
> MARK FREDERICK (CHECK SIX!) 512-365-8131 mlfred@aol.com GEAR LEG FAIRINGS,
> AEROFLASH LOW OUTPUT STROBES AND AIRFLOW PERFORMANCE FUEL INJECTION
SYSTEMS
>
> This is his web site. I got my seat belts from him.
> http://teamrocketaircraft.com/
>
> Here's another one, too
>
> http://www.fairings-etc.com/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hopperdhh@AOL.com
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Farings
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/16/04 9:16:12 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> mbilli@cox.net writes:
>
> >
> > --> RV7-List message posted by: "Mickey Billings" <mbilli@cox.net>
> >
> > Does anyone know where I can get fairings for the upper and lower gear
> legs
> > already made? And if there would be a fitting problem?
> >
> > Mickey Billings
> > N445BH
> >
> >
>
> Mickey,
>
> I can't endorse his product, but John A. Violette left his card on my
plane
> at OSH. His phone is 860 829 6809. Website is aerocomposites.com. Let
us
> know how much they cost.
>
> Dan Hopper
> RV-7A N766DH
> (flying about 43 hours now)
>
>
> ---
>
> ---
>
>
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--> RV7-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
Mickey,
Oh how embarrassing! I picked up the wrong card. Try Aero-Strategies
Unlimited -- Frustration-Free Fiberglass Fairings.
Edward C. Reicher in Mantorville, MN. Phone 507 635 5976.
Website www(dot)aerosu.com. (The "(dot)" is so my browser doesn't make it a
link.)
Sorry for my mistake,
Dan Hopper
In a message dated 9/16/04 1:57:58 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
brianpublic@starband.net writes:
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic@starband.net>
>
> I looked at the web site you referenced, and I see nothing about fairings.
> It appears to be only a prop mfg.
> brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hopperdhh@AOL.com
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Farings
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/16/04 9:16:12 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> mbilli@cox.net writes:
>
> >
> >--> RV7-List message posted by: "Mickey Billings" <mbilli@cox.net>
> >
> >Does anyone know where I can get fairings for the upper and lower gear
> legs
> >already made? And if there would be a fitting problem?
> >
> >Mickey Billings
> >N445BH
> >
>
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