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1. 04:08 AM - Re: RV7a Rudder edge rivetting (Trainnut01@AOL.com)
2. 07:30 AM - Re: RV7a Rudder edge rivetting (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
3. 12:14 PM - Re: RV7a Rudder edge rivetting (Hopperdhh@AOL.com)
4. 12:52 PM - Re: RV7a Rudder edge rivetting (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
5. 02:46 PM - Re: RV7a Rudder edge rivetting (Stan & Aylene Bahrns)
6. 03:09 PM - Re: RV7a Rudder edge rivetting (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
7. 07:45 PM - HS Rear Spar Question (Scott R. Shook)
8. 08:19 PM - SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Re: HS Rear Spar Question (Francis, David CMDR)
9. 08:41 PM - Re: UNCLASSIFIED Re: HS Rear Spar Question (Dan Checkoway)
10. 08:52 PM - SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Re: HS Rear Spar Question (Francis, David CMDR)
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| Subject: | Re: RV7a Rudder edge rivetting |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Trainnut01@aol.com
Frank
Mine is perfect! With Van's blessing I did not use any sealant at all.
The rivets were put in with a hand squeezer starting at the center working up
and down and alternating direction of insertion. Perfectly straight, honest.
Carroll Jernigan
RV7A Bending brake lines
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| Subject: | RV7a Rudder edge rivetting |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Thanks Carroll,
Can I ask what die you used with the hand squeezer? I like the idea of
squeezing by hand as it sounds a lot more controllable. The rivet gun
sounds a bit like doing trim carpentry with a sledgehammer...:)...
Thanks
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Trainnut01@AOL.com
Subject: Re: RV7-List: RV7a Rudder edge rivetting
--> RV7-List message posted by: Trainnut01@aol.com
Frank
Mine is perfect! With Van's blessing I did not use any sealant at
all.
The rivets were put in with a hand squeezer starting at the center
working up
and down and alternating direction of insertion. Perfectly straight,
honest. Carroll Jernigan RV7A Bending brake lines
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| Subject: | Re: RV7a Rudder edge rivetting |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
> The rivet gun
> sounds a bit like doing trim carpentry with a sledgehammer...:)...
>
> Thanks
>
> Frank
>
Hey,
Cummon, Frank. I did my trim with a sledgehammer and it looks real good --
to me.
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Dan
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| Subject: | RV7a Rudder edge rivetting |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yes but life is all a question of perspective Dan.....I.e I'm sure yours
looks perfect and I'm sure in my head at least I am capable of doing the
same job...Fact is I havent done it yet and from where I'm standing it
looks brutal!....:)
Anyway to tease those puppies in a little at a time sounds good to me!
Oh, I just heard my QB kit is at Van's. Going to make friends with
Budget truck rental Thursday....woohoo!
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Hopperdhh@AOL.com
Subject: Re: RV7-List: RV7a Rudder edge rivetting
--> RV7-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
> The rivet gun
> sounds a bit like doing trim carpentry with a sledgehammer...:)...
>
> Thanks
>
> Frank
>
Hey,
Cummon, Frank. I did my trim with a sledgehammer and it looks real good
--
to me.
Do not archive.
Dan
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| Subject: | RV7a Rudder edge rivetting |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Stan & Aylene Bahrns" <bahrns@effingham.net>
Where are you guys from? I am from southern IL & have the instruments all
wired & am working on the cowling.
Stan Bahrns
Bahrns Eq. Inc
1708 S Banker St
Effingham, IL 62401
Phone (217)342-2909
stanb@bahrns.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank
George (Corvallis)
Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV7a Rudder edge rivetting
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yes but life is all a question of perspective Dan.....I.e I'm sure yours
looks perfect and I'm sure in my head at least I am capable of doing the
same job...Fact is I havent done it yet and from where I'm standing it
looks brutal!....:)
Anyway to tease those puppies in a little at a time sounds good to me!
Oh, I just heard my QB kit is at Van's. Going to make friends with
Budget truck rental Thursday....woohoo!
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Hopperdhh@AOL.com
Subject: Re: RV7-List: RV7a Rudder edge rivetting
--> RV7-List message posted by: Hopperdhh@aol.com
> The rivet gun
> sounds a bit like doing trim carpentry with a sledgehammer...:)...
>
> Thanks
>
> Frank
>
Hey,
Cummon, Frank. I did my trim with a sledgehammer and it looks real good
--
to me.
Do not archive.
Dan
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| Subject: | RV7a Rudder edge rivetting |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Corvallis Oregon....45 miles south of the Van's mother ship....:)
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan & Aylene
Bahrns
Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV7a Rudder edge rivetting
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Stan & Aylene Bahrns"
--> <bahrns@effingham.net>
Where are you guys from? I am from southern IL & have the
instruments all wired & am working on the cowling. Stan Bahrns
Bahrns Eq. Inc
1708 S Banker St
Effingham, IL 62401
Phone (217)342-2909
stanb@bahrns.com
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| Subject: | HS Rear Spar Question |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Scott R. Shook" <sshook@cox.net>
Ok so everything is primed and ready to go together.Following the plans, I
am ready for the rear spar.
But there is really no indication which direction the machined heads will
face (fore or aft) for the rear spar (HS 609/603). If you read section 5 in
the manual it looks like the machined head is on the thinner piece of
material. However, I am not going off of that. Is there something I am
missing??
I checked other builders sites and from what I saw of the pictures (read:
SQUINTED) I could have swore that I found it both ways.
Any help would be appreciated.
Scott
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| Subject: | HS Rear Spar Question |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Francis, David CMDR" <David.Francis@defence.gov.au>
Scott,
There is a convention that the shop head should, for preference, be against
the thinner sheet.
However Vans, somewhere in my construction manual, address the issue and
make the observation that they have no evidence whatever that rivet
orientation makes any difference to the strength of the final product.
On my plane I put the shop head against the thinner sheet, but only where
access is convenient. If access is not excellent the chance of a smiley or
bent rivet becomes high and the damage is not worth the risk. I then orient
the rivet for best access, regardless of sheet thickness.
Stop worrying and keep pounding.
Regards, David Francis, Canberra, Australia.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott R. Shook [mailto:sshook@cox.net]
Subject: RV7-List: HS Rear Spar Question
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Scott R. Shook" <sshook@cox.net>
Ok so everything is primed and ready to go together.Following the plans, I
am ready for the rear spar.
But there is really no indication which direction the machined heads will
face (fore or aft) for the rear spar (HS 609/603). If you read section 5 in
the manual it looks like the machined head is on the thinner piece of
material. However, I am not going off of that. Is there something I am
missing??
I checked other builders sites and from what I saw of the pictures (read:
SQUINTED) I could have swore that I found it both ways.
Any help would be appreciated.
Scott
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| Subject: | Re: HS Rear Spar Question |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> There is a convention that the shop head should, for preference, be
against
> the thinner sheet.
Other way around (probably what you meant)...manufactured head against the
thinner stock, shop head formed against the thicker stock.
In my opinion, this only matters when you're using .020" or thinner, because
that's when you can really start to see scalloping/buckling around the shop
heads on the thinner material. In my experience the effect is exaggerated
when you attach thin (i.e. .020") stock to thicker stock with 1/8" or larger
diameter fasteners.
> Stop worrying and keep pounding.
Exactly. Just keep the convention in mind, because sometimes it does have a
cosmetic effect.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | HS Rear Spar Question |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Francis, David CMDR" <David.Francis@defence.gov.au>
Dan,
You are correct, I meant the manufactured head should, by convention, be
against the thinner sheet.
Its easy to reverse things when living down under, its hell hanging onto the
earth upside down you know.
Regards,
David Francis, enjoying a hot summer, Canberra, Australia.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Checkoway [mailto:dan@rvproject.com]
Subject: Re: UNCLASSIFIED RE: RV7-List: HS Rear Spar Question
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> There is a convention that the shop head should, for preference, be
against
> the thinner sheet.
Other way around (probably what you meant)...manufactured head against the
thinner stock, shop head formed against the thicker stock.
In my opinion, this only matters when you're using .020" or thinner, because
that's when you can really start to see scalloping/buckling around the shop
heads on the thinner material. In my experience the effect is exaggerated
when you attach thin (i.e. .020") stock to thicker stock with 1/8" or larger
diameter fasteners.
> Stop worrying and keep pounding.
Exactly. Just keep the convention in mind, because sometimes it does have a
cosmetic effect.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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